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| enneathing |
Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 9:32:29 PM
Can anyone give me an example (preferably including a video link) of someone they believe to be a Very Healthy Four? Also include what you think their wing subtype and IV stacking are.
I'll include my own input on this later. First, I want to see what people come up with. |
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| enneathing |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 04:16:44 AM
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Originally posted by hildegard
Lady Gaga
Just watch the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7GYS9IMt8
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9w1 sx/sp
7w6 is starting to seem more and more likely for her...
Nahh I don't think she's a Four, not self conscious or even self absorbed enough. |
| AstralScream |
Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 02:03:59 AM
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Originally posted by isabellagreenpepper
Doesn't 4 go to a 2? I may be wrong...
The reason I think she may be a 5w4 is because went she first started singing she needed someone to help her with her clothing...normally 4's have a good sense of style. 5's tend to be simple in their clothing usually...depends on what wing i think. She is also very idiosyncratic...there are lots of symbolism within her music/albums. Each album is based on a theme it seems. She builds her own little world around each album, and usually they are different worlds. She definitly has two in her because she refers herself as similar to a greek goddess who nurtures(almost the mother mary figure) Yet she tried to bond both mary's together(mary magdelene and mother mary) She is also very spiritual...chiristianity fascinates her and she also is very much into myth...
Yeah, 4 integrates to 1 and disintegrates to 2.
I have been listening to Tori's music for ten years, but for whatever reason I never really looked into her much until recently. She's absolutely fascinating lol. And I've learned how little I knew about what the songs meant, because it's practically impossible to 'get' what she's talking about in some of them, unless you look into it.
I didn't know that about her and the clothes. I still have a lot of trouble imagining her as a 5 (or any of the head types). The fact that she cared enough to get someone else to help her with it points away from 5 to me, or 4. I don't know if fours really have that much better sense of style, though. It seems like most of us think we do, and I'd never ask someone else to pick out my clothing for me. |
| hildegard |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 10:41:50 PM
Lady Gaga
Just watch the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7GYS9IMt8
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| isabellagreenpepper |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 7:17:52 PM
Doesn't 4 go to a 2? I may be wrong...
The reason I think she may be a 5w4 is because went she first started singing she needed someone to help her with her clothing...normally 4's have a good sense of style. 5's tend to be simple in their clothing usually...depends on what wing i think. She is also very idiosyncratic...there are lots of symbolism within her music/albums. Each album is based on a theme it seems. She builds her own little world around each album, and usually they are different worlds. She definitly has two in her because she refers herself as similar to a greek goddess who nurtures(almost the mother mary figure) Yet she tried to bond both mary's together(mary magdelene and mother mary) She is also very spiritual...chiristianity fascinates her and she also is very much into myth... |
| AstralScream |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 6:31:48 PM
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Originally posted by enneathing
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Originally posted by Scorpionical
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surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger
And what system anyway?
She was asked to leave the Peabody Institute because of her focus on contemporary music. To me, this seems to rule out 2 or 3, if she was either of those types wouldn't she have stayed with classical to get approval, not get kicked out?
Not necessarily. I have seen Two's completely oblivious to the system. They're more likely to get caught up sublimating themselves for another individual or small group of people, than society at large. And if she is sx/so, that stacking itself adds plenty of rebellious overtones. She definitely has this tendency to bring 'revolution' into the picture, but she's been increasingly gentle with it over the years, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she doesn't want to show her ugly side to her kid. I have trouble imagining an sx4 making that compromise.
I can still see her as a Four, though. I'm actually trying to decide between Two and Four, myself; and I guess just 'thinking aloud' here. She could be a very Two-ish Four, or a very Four-ish Two. |
| enneathing |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 6:10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpionical
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surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger
And what system anyway?
She was asked to leave the Peabody Institute because of her focus on contemporary music. To me, this seems to rule out 2 or 3, if she was either of those types wouldn't she have stayed with classical to get approval, not get kicked out? |
| AstralScream |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 3:37:35 PM
I don't really have a solid opinion of Tori's type. But I thought I'd offer an alternate angle.
"but helping as a fixation doesn't really seem to fit Tori." I could see this as a fixation for her, actually. She was one of the co-founders of RAINN, and you can see her doing quite a bit with them. It seems like her music was often the 'gift'.
I've also heard her talk about how much she compromised her own artistic fluidity for the sake of her daughter. Apparently, she sees a large conundrum with being a wife/mother and a singer at the same time (anyone could, but it's significant that she stifled her own creativity for her family). She said something along the lines of looking forward to being free to create the way she wanted when her daughter was older.
And she seems to have this dream of connecting with and healing anyone who listens to her music. It's very 'helper' oriented. I got the impression out of some of her interviews; it's like she wants to mentor and mother all of her fans.
Though I admit I could be stretching the concept of 'giving' to the breaking point.
I don't see many healthy 3's, so if Tori is a healthy Three then there's a decent chance I wouldn't recognize her easily anyway lol.
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| Scorpionical |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 11:15:57 AM
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surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger
And what system anyway? I think this board is just blind to creative 3w4s. They always seem to fall into the 4 or 7 catagories.
I'd go with 2w3 before 7 Astralscream but helping as a fixation doesn't really seem to fit Tori. Even as a connection to four, it just doesn't fit her overall character. David Bowie versus say Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey, which are more in the 3w2w3 space.
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| Scorpionical |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 08:49:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fwLW257cw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbxaanaIpQk |
| Scorpionical |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 08:28:38 AM
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Originally posted by enneathing
4w3 sx for Tori Amos works for me. 3w4 I don't see. If she were a Three, surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger. I think Seven is more likely than Three, but 4w3 would be my vote.
Then you also go with to the whole Madonna is a 7 thing? She has far more in common with Madonna than Sarah Mclauchlin. ALot of 4w3s around here relate to her. I just disagree. |
| AstralScream |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 06:14:24 AM
With Tori, I have trouble feeling right calling her a Four because she doesn't seem particularly caught up on defining herself. She doesn't seem to have an ego investment in being unique, she just is unique. (Could be the sign of a healthy Four, but I don't see any accompanying 1-ish traits. I think she's a Two who has at least risen to level 3 of health.) Through her music, I get the feeling that she struggles much more with the perception of her own moral character, and her own desires. Her songs are 'children' that she nurtures, many of them tales of extreme sacrifice and the love object's inability to reciprocate her gifts and affection. She's written so many songs of giving up her home, friends, dignity, whatever....to influence soemone's love. And her rage is a result of her own inability to let these attachments go when the loved one doesn't return it, or even insults or demeans her. "Precious Things" is a good example.
And then there are these songs of what seem to me blatant 2-ish hostility. Like 'The Waitress':
"So I want to kill this waitress
She's worked here a year longer than I
If I did it fast you know that's an act of kindness
But I believe in peace
I believe in peace b*tch"
"Yes, Anastasia" is one of my favorite songs, one where I think she disintegrates to 8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvMcHg0qjo
In a strangely beautiful way, I might add :)
It really does seem like she's speaking for someone else with her own voice sometimes. Obviously I romanticize this woman a lot.
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| AstralScream |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 05:01:05 AM
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Originally posted by enneathing
4w3 sx for Tori Amos works for me. 3w4 I don't see. If she were a Three, surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger. I think Seven is more likely than Three, but 4w3 would be my vote.
I can buy that for Tori. Though I can also see her as a 2w3 sx/so. Definitely sx-first, and in the heart triad.
There's something about her music that just isn't all that Fourish to me, though I couldn't tell you what it was just off the top of my head. And I'd have to go back over all the crap I'd read about her. |
| enneathing |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 03:47:03 AM
4w3 sx for Tori Amos works for me. 3w4 I don't see. If she were a Three, surely she would haved adhered to the system when younger. I think Seven is more likely than Three, but 4w3 would be my vote. |
| .ron4 |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 01:21:22 AM
JoL, TroL, nope, doesn't work.
Oh well.
ron |
| JoL |
Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 10:41:46 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
"Jol", "Troll", I could see how the two might sound the same......
I prounounce it like Jo-ell. My name is JoEllen and my last name starts with L.
9/1 sx/sp
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| .ron4 |
Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 3:04:57 PM
"Jol", "Troll", I could see how the two might sound the same......
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| Scorpionical |
Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 2:36:30 PM
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Originally posted by JoL
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Originally posted by isabellagreenpepper
I think Tori Amos would be considered a healthy 4w5...what do you think?
I'm not so sure she's a 4. I do believe she's a sexual, but haven't settled on a type. She could be a 7.
9/1 sx/sp
3w4..though in dfgrays world she is a four, so most likely he will argue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Doll_Posse#The_Doll_Posse |
| isabellagreenpepper |
Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 5:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by JoL
quote:
Originally posted by isabellagreenpepper
I think Tori Amos would be considered a healthy 4w5...what do you think?
I'm not so sure she's a 4. I do believe she's a sexual, but haven't settled on a type. She could be a 7.
9/1 sx/sp
Hmmm I guess the reason I think she might be a 4w5 or a 5w4...she is very analytical and yet very creative(not that creativity is only a 4's type of persona...) yet she seems healthy as in she creates from things on the outside of her emotions rather then from inside of herself. |
| JoL |
Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 2:16:39 PM
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Originally posted by faultyideal
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Originally posted by Scorpionical
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I saw somewhere Maynard espousing very fourish principles, as if he knew what he was talking about, enneagramically(new word) speaking...
My husband just reamed the world about feeling misunderstood and incapable..sigh.
So I'm wary of communication..hate the ass part but I guess I am too serious. I've decided JoL is not trolling and am full of regret..
Taste that LovesaidNo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWRDZwV8jGE
i hate communication problems. they destroy the liquidity of... i love you
INFP 4w5 sp/sx?
I love you Scorpi. I'm no troll.
9/1 sx/sp
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| JoL |
Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 2:14:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by isabellagreenpepper
I think Tori Amos would be considered a healthy 4w5...what do you think?
I'm not so sure she's a 4. I do believe she's a sexual, but haven't settled on a type. She could be a 7.
9/1 sx/sp
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| isabellagreenpepper |
Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 1:31:03 PM
I think Tori Amos would be considered a healthy 4w5...what do you think? |
| Kellay |
Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 12:00:40 AM
Michael Jackson (if you want to consider him healthy) because he really DID fulfill his desire in bringing beauty into the world and giving HIS TRUE SELF to the world.
4w3 sx |
| 9angel |
Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 6:41:31 PM
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Originally posted by JoL
[quote]Originally posted by baba
We can be truly grateful to live in the USA, where we have the right to bear arms.
9/1 sx/sp
Rather tragic, these words...Think of Columbine..what ever..Gee
How many Locks, do you have Jol ?
Oh, and btw how many arms do You have ?
"Banzai-tree"
You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
I don't have any weapons...just pepper spray to defend against pit bull attacks when I'm walking my dogs.
I can't even kill a spider and wish I didn't need to eat animals.
One winter I live trapped the mice in my house and kept them in a hamster cage until spring.
9/1 sx/sp
Now that sounds more like a 9! |
| 9angel |
Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 6:17:08 PM
As a 9 looking at the Ashton Kutcher video,I'd say that yeah, he's a 9. Self-effacing, having a real sense of humor about himself and this whole "Sexiest Man Alone" thing; and look at his shirt! An Everyman kind of shirt. Nothing that shouts, "I'm unique, an Individual!" He seems completely unselfconscious, like "I'm not a big deal", again, having a sense of humor about all the hoopla of his being a star and all that. He seems really...SWEET. :-) |
| ChristineK |
Posted - 05 Nov 2009 : 08:18:28 AM
healthy fours.
Sarah McClaughlin(sp)
Don Riso
Alanyss Morrisette
Johnny Depp
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