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[quote][i]Originally posted by Invicta[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by dfgray44[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Invicta[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by dfgray44[/i]
[br]How do you fit [url="http://img.mediaspanonline.com/5159/4910431.jpg"]this[/url] into E1?

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[blue]Howdy, neighbor.[/blue]

Gray, I'm just going to consider this your standard issue contrarian stance.  It's you.

[blue]If you mean that I don't really think he's a 6w7 and I'm only being contrarian to be contrarian, that ain't it. :)[/blue]

Lila has it right, the man is indeed a poster child for 1w2.

[blue]I assume you're not typing him by his politics and that you know Ones can be some of the more radical Liberals: Jane Fonda, Noam Chomsky, Madelyn Murray O'Hair, etc.

...And 6s can be extremely conservative: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Oliver North, etc.

I'd ask, how does Gut-typeness manifest in his physical bearing?  Those 'pinpoint' photos of him are simply indicative of an [i]anal[/i] character, which fits both Ones and Sixes.

Here's Santorum in a somewhat[/blue] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrZtlnsBq_Y&feature=related"][b]heated interview[/b][/url] [blue]with a 1w2 (Chris Wallace).  There's a significant difference in their 'solidity'.

When Ones and Sixes are 'certain', there's a big contrast in where the certainty emanates from. Ones "know everything that 'God' knows"...and they always have.  They're born from the stodgy old boulders of the Gut.

Sixes [i]"want[/i] to know 'God'", [i]personally[/i] and philosophically, so as to take action from there. They're born into the precarious oscillating polarity of Head voltage...but when they find their 'plug', they manifest a [i]style[/i] of certainty.

Looking at "origins" (in the abstract), the former (the Gut) is 'pre-thought knowing' (to a fault)...the latter is a learning/student stance.  Generally easy to spot the difference. [/blue]
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Well, I don't see your off-beat typings as contrarian just for the simple sake of being contrarian, but I do think that you like to take the reader(s) on an Odyssey of Alternate Viewpoint in which the reader is taken along with you in your journey of imaginings.  You are more of a tour guide than a devil's advocate.

But back to Santorum--be assured that I understand the difference between a person's politics and their motivations, even though the dividing line may not be sharply defined in most cases.  It is his personal belief that he knows what is best and right and good, and that these beliefs are best enforced on the rest of us that reveals his 1 fixation.
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ChristineK	Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 08:01:09 AM I watched the Republican debate on ABC and felt compelled to 'guess' on some of these guys, and gals. NEWT GINGRICH. 8 MITT ROMNETY. 3 or 6 MICHELLE BACHMAN. 1 RON PAUL. 6 The others didnt stand out in any way. Do any of you have thoughts on these people?
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Invicta	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 7:32:36 PM quote: Originally posted by skunk I think Dawkins is a One and you can see his anger bubbling through quite easily here, and within a distinct frame of reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FARDDcdFaQ (2:35) Dawkins makes me think of someone called CrazyBlue. O'Reilly's on surprisingly good behavior in this interview. Maybe he knew Dawkins could easily shut him down. To relate this back to Santorum as a 1, yes, he's got the same pursed lipped, bare tolerance of dissenters going on.
skunk	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 3:53:15 PM quote: Originally posted by baba In the name of the holy book, the holy spirit, the father and his son Jesus Christ, I order to destroy the Netherlands, there's legal abortion. I would bomb the Netherlands because they're small enough to be a stringent test of long range missile accuracy yet big enough to exclusively absorb the radioactive fallout.
.ron4	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 3:22:16 PM Orielly , a lustful person, that's funny. "If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
skunk	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 3:14:03 PM quote: Originally posted by Invicta quote: Originally posted by dfgray44 quote: Originally posted by Invicta If elitist/imperious rhetoric was part of his personal values, he would exhibit these. They aren't. He is God's Servant, helping America's young ladies to only have joyless, procreative sex. It is what God wants, you see. The 'accident' of being a One, though, is that you "know everything that God knows". And your 'equality with God' simply slips through, whether you intend to think of yourself as a servant or not. Santorum is continually giving off a subliminal (and a not-so-subliminal) "I'm no big deal". Expressionlessness is central to how One-ness shows itself. There's too much reactivity in his face. Don't look at the arguments that his rhetoric posits. Otherwise, you're just listing things that any conservative religious person of any type might say. A person's type is found in the 'how', not in the 'what'. No sir, 1s are not expressionless when acting out their righteous passion. Perhaps they may be in other areas of life, but not when on a podium espousing God's Own Truth, our 1 most certainly wouldn't be. I think Dawkins is a One and you can see his anger bubbling through quite easily here, and within a distinct frame of reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FARDDcdFaQ (2:35) Dawkins makes me think of someone called CrazyBlue.
skunk	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 2:21:26 PM quote: Originally posted by dusty quote: Originally posted by Invicta I don't find his intellect to be particularly impressive, either. Lol, ya think? I'm surprised by the 6 typings because I agree with EMike, he does seem like a clear 8. He beats people into submission with his anger, he gets his way by being overbearing, overpowering, interrupting, being the alpha male. The guy is just anger anger anger, and effortlessly forceful. He also has quite an ego, thinking he is a supremely important person. The look in his eyes is always superior, cynical, smug, and distinctly rejection-expectant, and rejecting. I don't see fear or anxiety at all. *He's very self-confident and he views himself as protector of the people.* all 6w5. level 6
Orpheus	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 1:00:11 PM Discussions of 8s on the boards always amaze me with the super humanness ascribed to 8s. I imagine as a board composed mostly of shy introverts, 8s are ripe to have all kinds of ego ideals projected upon, with help from Hollywood. O'reillys an obvious 8, and 8s do get tired, relent, fearful, insecure, doubting, change their opinion, and can be sanctimonious and moralistic, but it's their angle that gives away type, why do they need to be right and what kind of energy they put out to that end. Plus so/sp combines with 8 in atypical ways sometimes. ________________________________ King Night Mutima kwithu kuli nkongono, para kakuwira comene
BADMAN	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 11:59:29 AM quote: Originally posted by lovemyth now remember to read the actual posts before you respond, lovemyth i don't get it. i was curious what you thought and as an aside gave my opinion on 6w7 re:confidence. -beeotchy for fun and profit- current lololo8 status: do you like my eyebrows? they are very grieco. Keep away from me until you can get it... the slam dunk skunk...
lovemyth	Posted - 02 May 2012 : 10:11:03 AM now remember to read the actual posts before you respond, lovemyth i don't get it. i was curious what you thought and as an aside gave my opinion on 6w7 re:confidence. -beeotchy for fun and profit- current lololo8 status: do you like my eyebrows? they are very grieco.
.ron4	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 11:23:59 PM ooh, that hurts man . "If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
BADMAN	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 10:57:25 PM quote: Interesting how we all basically agree on O'Reilly's personality, yet assign different enneatypes to it. Makes me wonder if the Enneagram makes understanding personality more complicated than necessary. ime Just about everybody tends to think they're a good or competent typer. Just about everybody isn't. the slam dunk skunk...
sunny	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 9:03:02 PM It would be interesting to see what his father was like. This (from Wikipedia) is interesting and sounds more 6 than 8: Bill O'Reilly played Little League baseball and was the goalie on the Chaminade varsity hockey team.[19] During his high school years, O'Reilly met future pop-singer icon Billy Joel whom O'Reilly described as a "hoodlum." O'Reilly recollected in an interview with Michael Kay on the YES Network show CenterStage, that Joel "was in the Hicksville section � the same age as me � and he was a hood. He used to slick it [his hair] back like this. And we knew him, because his guys would smoke and this and that, and we were more jocks." -----------------------
dusty	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:44:14 PM quote: Originally posted by Invicta quote: Originally posted by dusty quote: Originally posted by Invicta I don't find his intellect to be particularly impressive, either. Lol, ya think? I'm surprised by the 6 typings because I agree with EMike, he does seem like a clear 8. He beats people into submission with his anger, he gets his way by being overbearing, overpowering, interrupting, being the alpha male. The guy is just anger anger anger, and effortlessly forceful. He also has quite an ego, thinking he is a supremely important person. The look in his eyes is always superior, cynical, smug, and distinctly rejection-expectant, and rejecting. I don't see fear or anxiety at all. He's very self-confident and he views himself as protector of the people. haha, awesome. All of these things sound true to me, he is simply loathsome. 6 wasn't an instant call, for certain. He's got some 6 and some 8 in there, and I wouldn't doubt him a triple reactive. (sorry 4s) That's all right, we might have Hitler (even as a main type according to some) and I suppose that's even worse, lol. Some people should just be declared so crappy as to not even be worthy of an E type so no one has to claim them. For O'Reilly I'd guess 863.
.ron4	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:35:02 PM Our different personalities make it more complicated. We need to look without our personalities to find the truth. woah , when's that going to happen ? For me it's a pretty small window of opportunity . "If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
Invicta	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:32:06 PM quote: Originally posted by dusty quote: Originally posted by Invicta I don't find his intellect to be particularly impressive, either. Lol, ya think? I'm surprised by the 6 typings because I agree with EMike, he does seem like a clear 8. He beats people into submission with his anger, he gets his way by being overbearing, overpowering, interrupting, being the alpha male. The guy is just anger anger anger, and effortlessly forceful. He also has quite an ego, thinking he is a supremely important person. The look in his eyes is always superior, cynical, smug, and distinctly rejection-expectant, and rejecting. I don't see fear or anxiety at all. He's very self-confident and he views himself as protector of the people. haha, awesome. All of these things sound true to me, he is simply loathsome. 6 wasn't an instant call, for certain. He's got some 6 and some 8 in there, and I wouldn't doubt him a triple reactive. (sorry 4s)
EMike583	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:31:04 PM Interesting how we all basically agree on O'Reilly's personality, yet assign different enneatypes to it. Makes me wonder if the Enneagram makes understanding personality more complicated than necessary.
.ron4	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:20:48 PM quote: Originally posted by JoL quote: Originally posted by JoL He seems driven by anxiety. I feel that in my gut and it's disturbing to me. I want to slap him and say, "STOP IT...Get a hold of yourself" I don't get the feeling of wanting to follow him because he's the Alpha male. He spreads fear. ----------------------- ----------------------- this is what I see also, that's why I type him either 6 or 1. 8s interfere when it's unjust , otherwise you survive on your own. orielly , you better watch out as a matter of fact. as he observes. "If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
dusty	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 8:11:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Invicta I don't find his intellect to be particularly impressive, either. Lol, ya think? I'm surprised by the 6 typings because I agree with EMike, he does seem like a clear 8. He beats people into submission with his anger, he gets his way by being overbearing, overpowering, interrupting, being the alpha male. The guy is just anger anger anger, and effortlessly forceful. He also has quite an ego, thinking he is a supremely important person. The look in his eyes is always superior, cynical, smug, and distinctly rejection-expectant, and rejecting. I don't see fear or anxiety at all. He's very self-confident and he views himself as protector of the people.
sunny	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 7:51:51 PM quote: Originally posted by JoL He seems driven by anxiety. I feel that in my gut and it's disturbing to me. I want to slap him and say, "STOP IT...Get a hold of yourself" I don't get the feeling of wanting to follow him because he's the Alpha male. He spreads fear. ----------------------- -----------------------
Invicta	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 7:28:01 PM I agree that O'Reilly's a 6. I have little respect for the man, who does not debate, but rather harangues. I don't find his intellect to be particularly impressive, either. In light of this, it sounds like I'd think him an 8, but it is, ironically my gut feeling about the man that makes him a 6 in my estimation. 8 stupidity...I just avoid, no need to bother with it at all 6 stupidity...actually somewhat enraging I feel like it would be satisfying to physically attack O'Reilly, so I type him as a 6.
transformer	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 7:05:53 PM Bill O'Reilly wildly exaggerates and is reactive, fairly good evidence of a 6w7. He may be a sp/so 6w7. Note the self-depreciating sense of humor, which is evident of 6w7 not 8w7, and his constant overbearing behavior is usually reigned in when he gets an explanation or his victims stand up for themselves. He stops pushing at that point. SP/SO has a different flavor than SO/SP. They are more concialliatory and can admit when they are wrong more easily. Rush Limbaugh is a so/sp 6w7, and has a harder time poking fun at himself.
BADMAN	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 3:39:54 PM quote: Originally posted by lovemyth badman what do you see his purpose as? or what is he attempting to do with having his show and opining? i also don't think 6w7 is always unconfident seeming. it can be very important to put on a good show- so as to not have others see your insecurity. or in an area where they have confidence- my 6w7s is his perspective on faith- he fairly confident he has it all figured out- and would fight for it. i wouldn't consider him a party lackey or a talking head with an urge to participate at any rate. this is all not to say that orielly is a 6w7. only that i found the characterization of 6w7 to be a bit off. -beeotchy for fun and profit- current lololo8 status: do you like my eyebrows? they are very grieco. now remember to read the actual posts before you respond, lovemyth... the slam dunk skunk...
EMike583	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 1:22:10 PM quote: Originally posted by ptypes Like BADMAN, I see O'Reilly as too confident to be a 6w7. I think he's a 6w5 like Joe McCarthy. 6w5? Um, no.
ptypes	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 12:48:11 PM Like BADMAN, I see O'Reilly as too confident to be a 6w7. I think he's a 6w5 like Joe McCarthy.
lovemyth	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 12:22:36 PM badman what do you see his purpose as? or what is he attempting to do with having his show and opining? i also don't think 6w7 is always unconfident seeming. it can be very important to put on a good show- so as to not have others see your insecurity. or in an area where they have confidence- my 6w7s is his perspective on faith- he fairly confident he has it all figured out- and would fight for it. i wouldn't consider him a party lackey or a talking head with an urge to participate at any rate. this is all not to say that orielly is a 6w7. only that i found the characterization of 6w7 to be a bit off. -beeotchy for fun and profit- current lololo8 status: do you like my eyebrows? they are very grieco.
BADMAN	Posted - 01 May 2012 : 12:15:56 PM O'reilly is too confident for a so/sp 6w7...he's not one of the "party lackeys" or "talking heads" who are driven by an urge to participate. the slam dunk skunk...

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