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| suziesardonic |
Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 10:47:43 PM
I have taken the Riso-Hudson IVQ test (a long time ago) and the variant test that the Fauvre’s have on their site (more recently) and come out sx/sp/so on both. However, I don’t actually believe I’m sx first. I’m going to describe how I experience each of the variants in my everyday life and ask you, dear board members, to rearrange my stack. I have read a great deal about the variants and still do not understand them completely, so comments on my ignorance are unnecessary, as I am well aware of it.
Sx instinct- I am not at all assertive, aggressive, or any type of “adrenaline junkie”. I don’t particularly seek out intense experiences. I am hardly ever bored since I find my books, music, movies and the rambling of my own mind intensely fascinating. I have been married for a long time, before I got married I worried a lot about finding “the one” and spent most of my efforts looking for him, tending to neglect more practical issues like college or career development. I went to college after I got married. I tend to be rather prudish when it comes to talking about sex, although I am not at all prudish about actually having sex. I don't like it when people make cynical comments about love and relationships as I consider them sacred.
Sp instinct- This is an instinct I am very much aware of on a daily basis. It seems to give me a lot of trouble. I am always worrying about it and making plans concerning it, but I don’t ever manage to get it together in this area. For example, every few months I decide I’m finally going to get my spending under control so I make elaborate budgets and credit card repayment plans then I don’t follow them and a few months later I have to do it all again. I am constantly starting up new diets (vegan, raw, whole foods, etc) in a bid to get healthy (even though according to my doctor I’m already healthy), I follow them awhile then go on a hot fudge sundae binge and I’m done. I eat like a pig for awhile, then try to clean up my act again and it’s a vicious cycle.
So instinct- This is an instinct I hardly ever think about and it freaks me out when I’m forced to think about it. I am notoriously bad at keeping in touch with my family or friends. I actually don't have many friends anyway, because I don't put in the necessary effort to cultivate and maintain friendships. It never occurs to me that someone might wonder how I’m doing or want to hear from me and unless something out of the ordinary is going on, I don’t particularly want to hear from them. I have no interest in politics. When I’m dragged along to a social function by someone I love, I get panicky because I have no idea how to act. I usually just find a cozy corner to hang out in and leave as soon as humanly possible.
Suzie 4w5 sx/sp/so INTP |
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| Glasgow |
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 06:51:34 AM
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26858&whichpage=1
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| lovemyth |
Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 09:45:50 AM
crim: i actually don't think even the majority of this stuff on the board goes by the EI- riso hudson sort of perspective.
i think tritype is majorly favure? and there is a sect here that is big on matri? idk i hear that name alot- but from a more spiritual sort of perspective (sorry if there are others you all know i'm not into that stuff- some interesting stuff comes out of it though). i never read gurdejeff or whatever but i hear his name alot so i figure some are working in a large part from his perspective. there are the minor thinkers of the board itself past and present that are mixing in with everyone's thoughts. everyone has a little tweak more or less on their understanding.
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| Desdemona |
Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 07:49:06 AM
Most of what you've written actually does seem consistent with sx first, but you seem to have a very strong self pres. Some of the sp/sx's I know who have a strong sx second score as sx first. I'd guess that's probably what's happening with you.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
7w6cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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| .ron4 |
Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 01:52:00 AM
hey sinking,
I'll try and say something that might make sense  hard to do.
I'm a 4 and I think type has a lot to do with how we get what
we need. These needs take hold especially when we leave the
nest.
Sx. instinct for me was all about getting a mate, the right mate
and this was eventually fulfilled partly by working out thoughts
of the other instincts. I found there is/was no perfect mate but
I made it work by working at it.
Sp. instinct for me was about finding a good way to insure that
there would be food on the table and this too involves the other
instincts.
So. instinct for me has been the bare minimum to insure the other
two instincts.
I have neglected the SO. instinct mostly because my basic fears
are in the social arena. I find as I work through my type faults
the social fears slowly subside .
Trust that you can attain your needs.
I have tried to be honest here and hope that I have.
Ron
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change". |
| Sinking |
Posted - 22 Apr 2012 : 10:14:01 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
 Nothing keeps me up at night.
Sorry to hear that for you .
Maybe when you've attained your first instinct
you will be able to sleep at night.
As you find a more balanced instinctual life there
will be less pressure. There's no reason to obsess
unless you think about it too much, after all it's
an instinct. The instinct doesn't obsess, you are
obsessing .
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
How did you attain your first instinct, if you don't mind my asking?
I've always thought that, as I expect everything from my first instinct (SX), I will never be satasfied by it. I'll always be dissapointed.
Maybe you're just instinctually healthier than me.
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All at once I knew I was not magnificent. |
| enneathing |
Posted - 16 Apr 2012 : 02:12:30 AM
I do think the 4 is the most basic thing. |
| Crimson |
Posted - 16 Apr 2012 : 02:04:00 AM
It boggles me how just about everybody on this board has so much over emphasis on defining themslves by their subtypes (or variants). When you've found your enneagram type (and you only get ONE, as opposed to this tri type nonsense), you should basically be able to see yourself in all the subtypes. Some subtypes may be more apparent than others, but they're all you.
But I guess I also don't come from the same school of thought as the Enneagram Institute, so what do I know? |
| enneathing |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 5:43:44 PM
Yeah, that's what I self-type as. I think that social awkwardness can definitely be type instead of variant related... though for a long time, I actually thought a social in a 4 would increase social awkwardness.
sx-last because of disconnect, lack of emotional drama, sort of detach. And just, a greater part of how I understood sx to express itself in types (can't quite explain unless I really thought), is lacking in myself. |
| suziesardonic |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 4:55:51 PM
I don't have an instinct that keeps me up at night, but that's similar to what I was trying to convey about the sp instinct. There's a sense of always chasing my tail and never getting anywhere. In the past I had wondered if that made me sp last, because I thought people who were sp first were good at sp things. Then I read somewhere that the first instinct is the one you have the most trouble with so I wondered if I could actually be sp first.
enneathing, are you so/sp? If you don't mind my asking, what is it that makes you think you are extremely sx last? I have wondered how much of my discomfort with social interaction is variant related and how much is just my type.
Suzie 4w5 sx/sp/so INTP |
| .ron4 |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 2:51:41 PM
Nothing keeps me up at night.
Sorry to hear that for you .
Maybe when you've attained your first instinct
you will be able to sleep at night.
As you find a more balanced instinctual life there
will be less pressure. There's no reason to obsess
unless you think about it too much, after all it's
an instinct. The instinct doesn't obsess, you are
obsessing .
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change". |
| Sinking |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 1:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
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Originally posted by Sinking
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Originally posted by .ron4
my thinking is the one you least think of is your first.
What do you mean? Its an obsession, wouldn't that make you think of it more?!
I'm curious what made you think that.
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All at once I knew I was not magnificent.
haha, it's not an obsession , it's an instinct .
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
You are generally obsessed with your first instinct. Its unhealthy. It keeps you up at night.
The most normal/healthy instinct is the middle instinct. You think/worry about it the least. Like you said, used on occasion for occasion.
The last instinct is painful lacking.
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All at once I knew I was not magnificent. |
| .ron4 |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 12:53:20 AM
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Originally posted by Sinking
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
my thinking is the one you least think of is your first.
What do you mean? Its an obsession, wouldn't that make you think of it more?!
I'm curious what made you think that.
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All at once I knew I was not magnificent.
haha, it's not an obsession , it's an instinct .
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change". |
| enneathing |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 12:43:57 AM
Yeah... took it again and same result as 2 or so years ago.
Sexual - 62
Self-pres - 47
Social - 41
Despite this, I actually see myself as extremely sx last. |
| Sinking |
Posted - 15 Apr 2012 : 12:43:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
my thinking is the one you least think of is your first.
What do you mean? Its an obsession, wouldn't that make you think of it more?!
I'm curious what made you think that.
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All at once I knew I was not magnificent. |
| .ron4 |
Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 11:34:31 PM
my thinking is the one you least think of is your first.
second instinct is used on occasion for the occasion .
last is the weakest.
First two can change positions under stress.
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change". |
| Kate |
Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 11:07:10 PM
Hi suziesardonic,
From what you've written, I'd say sp/sx.
Your higher sx score could very well be due to you being a 4, which will give a 'false' higher sx in tests.
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| enneathing |
Posted - 14 Apr 2012 : 10:57:36 PM
I took the IV test on this website a while ago, it had me as sx/sp, which is wrong.
Would be interested to take it again to see if it is the same result.
fwiw, I relate to what you said about the social instinct. But overall, I think what you say tends to point towards sp/so or sp/sx. |
