You mean I cannot blame my physical laziness on being a nine?
"It is important to understand, however, that psychological passivity is not the same thing as complete inactivity, although it is a precursor to it." - Riso and Hudson, 'Personality Types', pg.358
- [Stormy]
oceanlife
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 10:18:54 AM Yes.
By the way the best band name ever: 'The Ontic Pacifiers.' May use that (think it was from the 8/9 vid)
sappy
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 10:17:47 AM You mean I cannot blame my physical laziness on being a nine?
Kate
Posted - 28 Apr 2012 : 12:01:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by eidbuser
9s are over-adapted to society and pathologically happy.
lol
"Get your non-believer *** outta my chair!" Joey Tribbiani
eidbuser
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 11:25:33 PM 9s are over-adapted to society and pathologically happy.
EMike583
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 11:08:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by sappy
What does he say about the point on the top?
Naranjo says Nines suffer from psychospiritual inertia, which is different from physical inertia; Sloth is metaphorical rather than literal. He says fixated Nines lose their interiority and as a result become like automata, merely going through the motions of life without knowing the difference.
sappy
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 4:53:46 PM What does he say about the point on the top?
EMike583
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 4:23:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by oceanlife
I don't have Character and Neurosis but have browsed it on Amazon, and found the 6 chapter resonating most with me, a hair over the 4. Though I think there was much more 6 content available in the browsing and the 4 chapter felt more meandering and not illuminating.
Wherein he links Avoidant and analytical with E6.
fyi.
I own C&N. I can tell you more about what he says about E 6 if you want.
oceanlife
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 4:20:49 PM I don't have Character and Neurosis but have browsed it on Amazon, and found the 6 chapter resonating most with me, a hair over the 4. Though I think there was much more 6 content available in the browsing and the 4 chapter felt more meandering and not illuminating.
Wherein he links Avoidant and analytical with E6.
fyi.
sappy
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 3:04:55 PM 9w1s tend to have thiner but longer penises.
Glad I could give some advice to figure it right away.
sunny
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 1:18:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by dusty
Even my 9w1 sp/so 925 father went through his hippy rebel phase. Now he is the most buttoned up, conservative living, practical minded, sweet, reserved, puritanical goody two shoes you would ever meet.
That doesn't describe me...but I'm not sx last either.
I always wonder if 9s are especially open to taking on (introjecting) the parent's traits. We might see why individual 9s can appear so different if we take that into consideration. I'm pretty sure I'm a 9, but I have a lot of 6 and 7 and those are the types of my parents. I do not identify consciously with my parents...I'm not like either one at my core, yet I have to admit I have facets of them as part of myself and I see myself using the defenses they use often along with the 9 defenses.
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dusty
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 12:46:44 PM Even my 9w1 sp/so 925 father went through his hippy rebel phase. Now he is the most buttoned up, conservative living, practical minded, sweet, reserved, puritanical goody two shoes you would ever meet.
EMike583
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 12:33:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by JoL
quote:Originally posted by EMike583
quote:Originally posted by enneathing
Overall, I've found 9w8s easier to be around, easier to get along with, than 9w1. More present, as skyboy said.
Could anyone be 'easier to get along with' than the unobtrusive 9w1?
Maybe it's my 1 wing + sx/sp that makes me more withdrawn, self conscious, touchy and harshly judgmental of myself...all the things that look more 4ish and are hard for people to connect with.
My brother has a stronger 8 wing and a higher social instinct and he is none of those. He's well liked and is more like the stereotypical "jolly good fellow" 9.
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JoL, I think of you as more 9w8 than 9w1 (I know you've said you identify with both wings.) Once you said that as a child you used to fight other kids which seems to be inconsistent with 9w1. Female 9w1s are typically quiet and passive ime and easily fit into the traditional expectations of women. You strike me as a lot livelier than that.
9w1-6w5-3w4 SP/SO
Stormy
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 11:51:09 AM
quote:Originally posted by EMike583
quote:Originally posted by enneathing
Overall, I've found 9w8s easier to be around, easier to get along with, than 9w1. More present, as skyboy said.
Could anyone be 'easier to get along with' than the unobtrusive 9w1?
The 9w8 who doesn't try so hard to get along with everyone.
- [Stormy]
sunny
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 10:54:31 AM
quote:Originally posted by EMike583
quote:Originally posted by enneathing
Overall, I've found 9w8s easier to be around, easier to get along with, than 9w1. More present, as skyboy said.
Could anyone be 'easier to get along with' than the unobtrusive 9w1?
Maybe it's my 1 wing + sx/sp that makes me more withdrawn, self conscious, touchy and harshly judgmental of myself...all the things that look more 4ish and are hard for people to connect with.
My brother has a stronger 8 wing and a higher social instinct and he is none of those. He's well liked and is more like the stereotypical "jolly good fellow" 9.
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EMike583
Posted - 27 Apr 2012 : 10:44:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by enneathing
Overall, I've found 9w8s easier to be around, easier to get along with, than 9w1. More present, as skyboy said.
Could anyone be 'easier to get along with' than the unobtrusive 9w1?
enneathing
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 2:07:42 PM Overall, I've found 9w8s easier to be around, easier to get along with, than 9w1. More present, as skyboy said.
BADMAN
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 1:42:24 PM 9w1: passive nice guy 9w8: aggressive nice guy
the slam dunk skunk...
skyboy
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 12:44:13 PM 9w1s I know often have something "elitist" from the 1, even describing themselves as such. Unlike 1s, it's more in thoughts and opinions than action. This can lead to mistyping superficially either with 4s or 5s.
Agreed with what df says about art.
sunny
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 12:24:33 PM
quote:Originally posted by dfgray44
And, to add a note on the latter: all art that achieves some objective excellence, even the explicitly off-kilter/'asymmetrical', has an ultimate balance to it (on some level). Point being that the works that 9w1s might be attracted to need not always be obvious in their expression of equilibrium.
When I create something it will be compositionally imperfect and chaotic but the colors will have a certain balance. With art, cooking, gardening etc, I'm called "artsy" even though I think "I just threw it together". What I create is not very emotionally deep or dark but I'm drawn to 4ish art/music with deep "meaning"...things that connect me with my anger, sadness and "destructive" parts.
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dfgray44
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 08:41:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by skyboy
9w1 have a more superior persona than 9w8s, ... and colder (for SP and SO at least)
This is one of the pieces that often has 9w1s seeing themselves as 4s. The superiority can take the form of an 'aesthetics' gestalt. Which may or may not be directly art-focused. Sometimes the aesthetic is mainly only applied to a Thinking space; the tone though has a connoisseur/snob element which might be viewed as the sum of the Gut's characteristic "all-knowing / pre-knowing" and the 9's sensitivity to the beauty of balance/equilibrium.
And, to add a note on the latter: all art that achieves some objective excellence, even the explicitly off-kilter/'asymmetrical', has an ultimate balance to it (on some level). Point being that the works that 9w1s might be attracted to need not always be obvious in their expression of equilibrium.
EDIT: Sometimes a 9 is attracted to a given work of art/music for how it counterbalances his own 'inner equation' / mental perspective. This is where you get the 9s who are attracted to decidedly darker material, which is another thing that can lead a superficial (typing) judgment astray.
skyboy
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 05:24:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by enneathing 9w8s are tougher, also.
Agreed too.
enneathing
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 05:12:33 AM
quote:9w1 have a more superior persona than 9w8s, more self-effacing and colder (for SP and SO at least) at the same time. 9w8s are more friendly, more present, and more strategically manipulative too.
Agree - I can definitely see what you're getting at with this.
9w8s are tougher, also.
skyboy
Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 05:05:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by JoL Adding to the picture: Naranjo mentions that superiority is a thing with 1s. 9/1s can vacillate between arrogance and shame of arrogance. The stronger the 1 wing, the more you see the superiority/arrogance. (At least at the average health levels and below.)
Agreed. I've often seen self-effacing, over apologetic 9w1s, suddenly put themselves forward and start to rule when a debate becomes conflictual and going nowhere. Same for action. They can be very impressing and put forward the "obvious thing one must do" everyone has forgotten when they do that. Personally, I love it... I wouldn't call it arrogance, at least for one avg/healthy SO 9w1 guy I know, but suddenly having balls ! . Still, he comes back to the self-forgetting place, and doesn't keep much the 1ish line for his own life.
9w1 have a more superior persona than 9w8s, more self-effacing and colder (for SP and SO at least) at the same time. 9w8s are more friendly, more present, and more strategically manipulative too.
sunny
Posted - 25 Apr 2012 : 3:41:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by Orpheus
quote:Originally posted by eidbuser
These are important phrases that stuck out to me:
quote:"embodied action required to integrate insights"
"your immediate tools for awakening are work and action"
"9 feels they have lost contact with... reality and... a capacity to connect"
"Loss of unity and stability... reality becomes too much to handle."
This in particular is gold:
quote:"Thou shall not hide thy light". Veiling personal radieance.
To awaken 9s must tolerate being seen, inhabiting dynamic, embodied movement and action and being visible and big.
9 to 3, doing is not a problem, not hiding personal radiance and joining flow of reality. No longer fearing being nailed to the cross.
Can you elaborate on what no longer fearing being nailed to the cross means? It sounds like a significant statement.
In it's simplest form, Jesus underwent the action of using his life for the entering of Essence into the world, requiring his participation, action and work.
A longer answer might be that in this workshop, Jesus was used as an example of an enlightened 3, with the 'holy 3' representing the radiance of essence and the 'glory' of being a manifestation of essence. 9 represents the unity, the wholeness, the all is-ness, but the person with the 9 ego needs to step into the holy 3 space of embodied contactful immediate grounded action that is an acceptance of one's personal worth and radiance, a making-the-radiance-happen. "Nailed to the cross" because it means sacrificing or dying to the old 9 ego of "ho-hum is safe". The 9 feels comfortable (even if miserable) in their "i don't mean anything". Jesus had to act to surrender, had to do something to be part of the dynamic flow of reality. 9s like the 'being' part, but forget that being often means doing/allowing the dynamicism. Even 3 Jesus agonized over stepping into his role, but he took the action essence required of him.
I definitely feel like the biggest and recurring blocks that I have are around taking action, becoming embodied in the world, and 'shining' as an individual person. i often feel like i keep myself hidden, and end up feeling like i'm not "being myself." In a certain way it's hard for me to be personal and reveal myself out of fear of being rejected or objectionable, hiding my real self or my "unacceptable" rough edges. So the phrase 'being nailed to the cross' has a particular significance in relation to this, feeling like I'll be rejected or "crucified" for being who I really am if I let my inner light shine.
Be crucified. "Like what it does not like". Don't let fear make you mediocre.
"Who I really am" feels practically unacceptable. Maybe this hearkens back to dfgray's "not allowed to exist." according to you. But from this other perspective, it's more that my existence is unacceptable. My beingness feels like it could be almost "too much" for the world or other people. Nope, just yourself. (your ego) Fear of taking up my full presence (although I've been growing into myself more and more over time).
The quote about human beings being more afraid of hiding their light than their darkness is something that resonates strongly with me. It feels like society suppresses the light as much as - if not more than - the darkness. true, but society only has as much say as you give it.
I keep coming back to something around narcissism. An Enneagram teacher once told me that 9s, in a certain way, "have it all," being the core of the gut triad. The idea that 9s could potentially be very powerful people in the world if they accessed themselves in this way.
How to access "narcissism" in a healthy way, perhaps like a 3. Becoming a large, active, dynamic, radiant presence that shines in the world without holding anything back. Inhabiting oneself as a complete person in a total way. inhabiting and allowing, "landing" in the instincts instead of thinking about it.
From a certain perspective the 3 is the prototypical human being. Full, total, "here," "of the world," embodied, engaged, active, and participating. Independent, autonomous, self-sufficient. Efficient, self-focused, task-oriented, self-fulfilling, self-complete.
There is a 3 in me somewhere... perhaps being born. i pick up a lot of 3 in you, but you don't like to let it be explicit.When I remember this, or get in touch with some of its qualities, it feels like it could have a very powerful and catalytic effect on me. It has a lot to do with my body: becoming more active, engaged, expressive, radiant, productive, embodied, and more "myself."
"Meditating" on my inner 3 feels like a way to really understand my path of growth, or internal birth. yep. do it.
Adding to the picture: Naranjo mentions that superiority is a thing with 1s. 9/1s can vascilate between arrogance and shame of arrogance. The stronger the 1 wing, the more you see the superiority/arrogance. (At least at the average health levels and below.)
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. Still, he comes back to the self-forgetting place, and doesn't keep much the 1ish line for his own life.
