Did you see where Rich got a buyout of 22 months’ pay? For me, it was a little more than 2 months. Well, better than nuthin’! Crooner ( end quote )
The 22 months was due to the UNION, and AT&T being real eager to shed workers, which made them powerfully motivated! But, also keep in mind that I had to turn down a very good pension, so that I would get 75% age 62 Social Security, when it was time. I don't think that was fair! Social Security is inflation indexed. And, as long as the Feds have printing presses, we'll get paid. The pension would have been paid only as long as I lived, and I had to think of my wife, so Social Security had to be the primary. /
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
Crooner
Posted - 03 Jul 2012 : 10:28:32 AM
quote:Originally posted by May Hem
dont dodge balls in early may of 2013 or i will have to hunt you down to ask for restaurant advice:p
May 2013 will be here before we know it. Something to look forward to.
Thanks, I’ll do okay. Will look forward to doing a cross-country road trip sometime. Will also let you know when I’m in your neck of the woods.
i might beat ya there.. 2013 is coming up and i fully intend cali as a fullstop, lots of family in southern cali and Paul harkens from the north (which ive never seen as of yet). Pauls in roseville and i can never wait to see tomarro again anyway. Hoping he will spend the summer with us this year but we will have to wait and see. dont dodge balls in early may of 2013 or i will have to hunt you down to ask for restaurant advice:p
Kate
Posted - 02 Jul 2012 : 11:27:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Crooner
Thanks, Kate…
I have no use for a gold watch. But I did get some cool awards from Washington, D.C. for my years of service:
- A flag that was flown over the Pentagon - A letter of congratulations from President Obama
Wow.
quote:Originally posted by Crooner
Did you see where Rich got a buyout of 22 months’ pay?
No, I didn't see that. I'm sure he invested it wisely.
quote:Originally posted by Crooner
For me, it was a little more than 2 months. Well, better than nuthin’!
Crooner
Better than a kick in the head.
Crooner
Posted - 02 Jul 2012 : 11:17:57 PM Thanks, Kate…
I have no use for a gold watch. But I did get some cool awards from Washington, D.C. for my years of service:
- A flag that was flown over the Pentagon - A letter of congratulations from President Obama
Did you see where Rich got a buyout of 22 months’ pay? For me, it was a little more than 2 months. Well, better than nuthin’!
I've heard they don't give out gold watches, anymore.
Many years of service. Good on ya.
Enjoy your bucket list.
Crooner
Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 10:32:26 PM Scorp…
Thanks, I’ll do okay. Will look forward to doing a cross-country road trip sometime. Will also let you know when I’m in your neck of the woods.
Crooner
threadbare
Posted - 01 Jul 2012 : 01:44:16 AM yes me is a retire early personality type. i dont like too much structure
Rich
Posted - 30 Jun 2012 : 11:35:02 PM [quote]Originally posted by Crimson
It probably has to do more with how much you like your job, and your financial situation, than your enneagram type. ( end quote )
While that is true, to a certain extent, for both Ennea & MB types. But, type does matter! One must also consider factors like ambition, need to get the job done, personal history, etc. Some types are better at working, some at rationalizing the task for greatest efficiency, others that know where to get the tools and supplies. In my office " the go to people ". were a 1W2, and a 6W7, both female, and myself.... We always got the important jobs, that the power that be were interested in, and wanted done NOW. /
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
Crimson
Posted - 30 Jun 2012 : 10:22:12 PM It probably has to dmore with how much you like your job, and your financial situation, than your enneagram type.
There is no such thing as an Enneagram tri-type.
Rich
Posted - 30 Jun 2012 : 5:49:23 PM [quote]Originally posted by Crooner
Rich,
It was just a matter of things lining up just right. Our organization recently lost a number of people under budget cuts. As someone with seniority, I could hog my job slot a few years more, but it would impede job opportunities for the junior members.
No real altruism on my part. My cumulative lifetime annuity was decrementing this year. That essentially means it was costing me money to stay employed… so, kudos to the actuaries. (At one time, I seriously considered becoming an actuary myself.)
There was a certain symmetry in the events, such that if I had decided to stay onboard, the person replacing me is junior enough to be one of the ones in jeopardy.
Anyway, my replacement will now inherit the day-to-day headaches of a project manager. Yet that person is junior enough that their annual salary will be less than my annual pension. ( end quote )
Crooner, it was pretty much the same for me. I have been told that it would have been more prudent of me, not to tell my co-workers, but that was not an honorable thing to do.... ( And if they weren't letting everybody go, I would have been too low in seniority to get it anyway. ) I left because I was paid 22 months of regular pay to leave, and things were getting very chaotic. The 22 months really helped to bridge the gap until Social Security at 62.... Why, I get an extra $2.00/month for being a vet, you just have to love the system! Or not, I had to pass up on a pension, because of the Social Security " double dipping " clause. Truly, the USA is the home of the brave, and the land of the fee! /
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
Crooner
Posted - 30 Jun 2012 : 5:19:13 PM Rich,
It was just a matter of things lining up just right. Our organization recently lost a number of people under budget cuts. As someone with seniority, I could hog my job slot a few years more, but it would impede job opportunities for the junior members.
No real altruism on my part. My cumulative lifetime annuity was decrementing this year. That essentially means it was costing me money to stay employed… so, kudos to the actuaries. (At one time, I seriously considered becoming an actuary myself.)
There was a certain symmetry in the events, such that if I had decided to stay onboard, the person replacing me is junior enough to be one of the ones in jeopardy.
Anyway, my replacement will now inherit the day-to-day headaches of a project manager. Yet that person is junior enough that their annual salary will be less than my annual pension.
Crooner
Rich
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 10:42:24 PM [quote]Originally posted by mystery2me
Its sort of like this if you wanted to retire why make it seem like a sacrifice. Just say I wanted to retire to enjoy myself. Plain simple and to the point. ( end quote )
I'm totally with Crooner on this point.... Perhaps self-enjoyment seems like such an easy explanation for retirement, because it simply avoids the messiness of the real work world.... Before I retired, I told everybody, that an inside source, had revealed that anyone wishing to leave, would have their request granted ( Not just the 1 employee, that management was putting out as the limit . ) People can have more complex motivations than pure self interest. Crooner who must have worked with some of these people for years, cared about their future and what might happen to them, how sinister or selfish is that? /
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
mystery2me
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 8:39:58 PM Its sort of like this if you wanted to retire why make it seem like a sacrifice. Just say I wanted to retire to enjoy myself. Plain simple and to the point.
MH
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 8:38:49 PM thats [blocked]. but par for the course. He just retired. Geez
mystery2me
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 8:36:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by Crooner
I just walked out the workplace for the final time. Also had my anniversary this month: Completing 33 years of Federal Service.
The employer offered a small cash incentive and I accepted. The voluntary separation incentive is a nice way to say: “Dinosaur go home.”
The managers still insist that they value someone with my abilities. But if I stay, they would have to decide which of the young folks (who have zero seniority) that they would have to lay off.
These were the best circumstances for me to go out: Making room for the next generation of IT professionals.
Crooner
So basically you are telling us that you sacrificed yourself for the up and comings. Whatever floats your boat dude.
Crooner
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 8:31:55 PM I just walked out the workplace for the final time. Also had my anniversary this month: Completing 33 years of Federal Service.
The employer offered a small cash incentive and I accepted. The voluntary separation incentive is a nice way to say: “Dinosaur go home.”
The managers still insist that they value someone with my abilities. But if I stay, they would have to decide which of the young folks (who have zero seniority) that they would have to lay off.
These were the best circumstances for me to go out: Making room for the next generation of IT professionals.
Crooner
MH
Posted - 29 Jun 2012 : 8:31:37 PM I hope you have enough of a nest egg to enjoy Crooner. Glad to hear you are able to leave altho it sounds like the circumstances were less than what you may have wanted.
skunk
Posted - 30 Jun 2011 : 6:42:23 PM
quote:Is There a "Retire Early" Personality Type?
Yes. Having spent years researching this matter, I am now in a position to confirm that there is a "Retire Early" Personality Type. It's a very important find and everyone at the lab is very excited!
Rich
Posted - 30 Jun 2011 : 6:32:22 PM [quote]Originally posted by Crooner
Staying in a workplace that has (seemingly) become a pressure cooker and a soulless sweatshop is what Gurdjieff would consider The Fourth Way - i.e., the way of the "sly man" who considers the circumstances of everyday life to be part of his spiritual obstacle course and spiritual training ground.
Nearly anyone can find peace of mind and serenity in a faraway monastery, on some remote mountain top. The spiritually-developed person learns to maintain Presence in the face of stress-inducing everyday circumstances. Many of us can maintain Presence for at least brief periods. Spiritual development entails becoming more stable in cultivating continuous, uninterrupted Presence.
Though the idea of crossing over to retired life in some "Margaritaville" can seem seductive - leaving the everyday world can also represent a missed (spiritual) opportunity. ^ end quote )
Crooner 2 points:
1. The " Sly Person " ( men & women ) can look look at the horrific situation they are in, and see that they have to work their environment as best they can. Their spiritual path is also to try to avoid being corrupted as best they can! Having in these circumstances myself, I didn't experience this as mainly a spiritual problem, but as a major health concern.
Which brings me to point 2. Having gone through more than 11 years of unremitting stress of down sizing and lay-offs, ( Aug, 1989 into Nov, 2000 ) complete uncertainty, and unending rumors and paranoia, the seeker is only deluding them self, if they believe that they have surmounted the problem. What they have actually done, is to have learned how to cope and adapt to such toxic conditions. Being a 3, I used to boast how I had beaten the unending stress! Rubbish, the day I retired and the burden was gone, that was when I started to learn just how much I had paid. After more than 10 years of retirement, my wife still expresses grave concerns about the long term toll on my health. I still can't always turn my type-A before I start. It just like being an alcoholic, you just never know when the urge is about to hit you. Hyper-activity isn't the proper frame of mind to be seeking spirituality. The seeker should pray that they aren't put to this test.
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
Crooner
Posted - 30 Jun 2011 : 12:55:54 PM Staying in a workplace that has (seemingly) become a pressure cooker and a soulless sweatshop is what Gurdjieff would consider The Fourth Way - i.e., the way of the "sly man" who considers the circumstances of everyday life to be part of his spiritual obstacle course and spiritual training ground.
Nearly anyone can find peace of mind and serenity in a faraway monastery, on some remote mountain top. The spiritually-developed person learns to maintain Presence in the face of stress-inducing everyday circumstances. Many of us can maintain Presence for at least brief periods. Spiritual development entails becoming more stable in cultivating continuous, uninterrupted Presence.
Though the idea of crossing over to retired life in some "Margaritaville" can seem seductive - leaving the everyday world can also represent a missed (spiritual) opportunity.
Crooner
Rich
Posted - 29 Jun 2011 : 6:43:00 PM [quote]Originally posted by eidbuser
Yeah, The Rich Person. ( end quote )
I may be Rich, but we get by, budgeting and setting our priorities. There are only 2 ways to stay solvent: make more or spend less. Once you put your mind to it and fall into a routine, there are many options that are relatively inexpensive. /
ISTJ & SP-3W4, DISC:High-DSC Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles HER:SP-2W1 & ISFJ; Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles My philosophy of life: Love will get you through. I learned to dissemble at an early age.
eidbuser
Posted - 29 Jun 2011 : 6:35:31 PM Yeah, The Rich Person.
sunny
Posted - 29 Jun 2011 : 6:07:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by Crooner
Rich,
Your chosen stopping point at age 58 sounds pretty good, actually. My retirement system is entirely separate from Social Security. I'm actually past the finish line and can walk out the door tomorrow if I choose. But I may delay my departure until it feels right. Age 58 sounds appealing.
My type - INTJ - is supposedly the most likely to retire early. As the theory goes, the dormant SP functions kick into high gear in mid-life.
I once mentioned the sudden blossoming of SP characteristics in a post long ago. Storm replied that he was impressed there's actually a scientific basis for some men to invest in a Corvette and a hair transplant.
Crooner
My coworker is a 9 and she talks about retiring all the time. She has another 10 years before she can, but is always bringing it up as something she wants sooner than later.
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Crooner
Posted - 29 Jun 2011 : 5:59:12 PM Rich,
Your chosen stopping point at age 58 sounds pretty good, actually. My retirement system is entirely separate from Social Security. I'm actually past the finish line and can walk out the door tomorrow if I choose. But I may delay my departure until it feels right. Age 58 sounds appealing.
My type - INTJ - is supposedly the most likely to retire early. As the theory goes, the dormant SP functions kick into high gear in mid-life.
I once mentioned the sudden blossoming of SP characteristics in a post long ago. Storm replied that he was impressed there's actually a scientific basis for some men to invest in a Corvette and a hair transplant.
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But, also keep in mind that I had to turn down a very good pension, so that I would get 75% age 62 Social Security, when it was time. I don't think that was fair! 
Social Security is inflation indexed. And, as long as the Feds have printing presses, we'll get paid.
The pension would have been paid only as long as I lived, and I had to think of my wife, so Social Security had to be the primary. 
/ 
Rubbish, the day I retired and the burden was gone, that was when I started to learn just how much I had paid. After more than 10 years of retirement, my wife still expresses grave concerns about the long term toll on my health. I still can't always turn my type-A before I start. It just like being an alcoholic, you just never know when the urge is about to hit you. Hyper-activity isn't the proper frame of mind to be seeking spirituality. The seeker should pray that they aren't put to this test.
