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minerva
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shakti
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beautyistruth
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Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 09:05:37 AM
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I like this one. Just jumped out as appealing to me.
"The Gunslinger and Samurai represent a double-edged sword (pun intended). They appeal to our fantasies of independence and the power to defend ourselves and right wrongs, yet they also carry the historic weight of savage, predatory evil."
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minerva
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Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 10:58:24 AM
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Originally posted by bluelotus
Thanks
Hi bluelotus,
You're welcome, are you able to identify with any of the archetypes listed, I have noticed ones in my family members, my 2w3 dauther has some influence of "the olympian", 9w1 daughter "the princess", and myself..."The magical child" as one of my archetypes, although according to the info, we have the influence of several archtypes in our subconscious, I have read other sites that say archetypes are within the collective unconscious, which I really don't fully understand, other than the explanation of archetypes being patterns of behavior, their relation to the collective unconscious is unknown, wish I had a better understanding....
Minerva
Child: Magical/Innocent
The Magical Child represents the part of us that is both enchanted and enchanting to others. It sees the potential for sacred beauty in all things, exemplified by Tiny Tim in dickens's A Christmas Carol, and by Anne Frank, who wrote in her diary that in spite of all the horror surrounding her family while hiding from Nazis in an attic in Amsterdam, she still believed that humanity was basically good. Her insights offered at a time when most people were collapsing under the weight of war and persecution continue to inspire people to seek out the wondrous side of life, even in a crisis.
One might assume from the name that this archetype refers to only the delightful qualities of children, but as demonstrated by Anne Frank and Tiny Tim, it also embodies qualities of wisdom and courage in the face of difficult circumstances.
Baudelaire wrote that "genius is childhood recaptured," and in that sense the Magical Child is something of a genius too. The Magical Child is gifted with the power of imagination and the belief that everything is possible. The shadow energy of the Magical Child manifests as the absence of the possibility of miracles and of the transformation of evil to good. Attitudes of pessimism and depression, particularly when exploring dreams, often emerge from an injured Magical Child whose dreams were "once upon a time" thought foolish by cynical adults. The shadow may also manifest as a belief that energy and action are not required, allowing one to retreat into fantasy.
Films: Drew Barrymore in E.T.; Margaret O'Brien in Meet Me in St. Louis; George du Fresne in Ma Vie en Rose; Shirley Temple in Good Ship Lollipop.
Fiction: The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry; Pippi Longstocking by Astrid Lindgren; Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There by Lewis Carroll.
Religion/Myth: Merlin (in Arthurian legend, the "child without a father" who was about to be sacrificed when he saved himself by displaying magic greater than the King's sorcerers).
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shakti
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 01:15:19 AM
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Hi Minerva,
I just got through reading a few of the archetypes...and I'd like to spend some time considering various energies to see if any resonate at the moment. I'll try to return to it over the weekend.
I wonder what type Caroline Myss is. An image triad person?
Thanks also for sharing that you relate to magical child. A 9w1 princess...that doesn't quite fit with the vague associations I have with archetypes and Etype in my head...more to ponder.... And I'll also have to read up on the Olympian.
Laurence Hillman, an archetypal astrologer (and son of James Hillman, the archetypal pychologist) explained archetypes (and their eternal and temporal elements) in a way that was easy to grasp at a Jungian lecture/workshop I attended in Fall. I am going to see if I can find something he's written on the net that might shed light on the matter to add to the thread.
Thanks again for the rich link.
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minerva
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 10:39:38 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by bluelotus
I just got through reading a few of the archetypes...and I'd like to spend some time considering various energies to see if any resonate at the moment. I'll try to return to it over the weekend.
**Ok
I wonder what type Caroline Myss is. An image triad person?
**I don't know, haven't really given her type much consideration, other than she is an N.
Thanks also for sharing that you relate to magical child. A 9w1 princess...that doesn't quite fit with the vague associations I have with archetypes and Etype in my head...more to ponder.... And I'll also have to read up on the Olympian.
**A 9w1 princess might not fit with the associations that you might make based on your understanding and knowledge of the enneagram, but I don't think that archetype's have to fit neatly into boxes. If you knew my daughter you might notice what I mean. An example, once I went to a school function, in which drug awareness awards were being given out, I watched all the kids walk up to the podium to recieve their respective awards, then, noticing my daughter walk across the stage, her demeanor struck me as quite regal, demure, and digified, its the way she carries herself. The princess seems to sum her up fairly well, overall, it would take further consideration to recognize the behavior patterns that correlated and backed-up the energy of the archtype.
My 2w3 daughter is competitive, and assertive, possibly even aggressive, tomboyish, she plays sports, and is naturally gifted in athletics, and she has excelled in every sport that she has chosen to participate in...the olympian comes to mind as a possible archtype. Although admittedly, my understanding of archetypes is limited and the associations that I might be making could be considered further, and possibly revised
Laurence Hillman, an archetypal astrologer (and son of James Hillman, the archetypal pychologist) explained archetypes (and their eternal and temporal elements) in a way that was easy to grasp at a Jungian lecture/workshop I attended in Fall. I am going to see if I can find something he's written on the net that might shed light on the matter to add to the thread.
**Any further information that could be added is much welcomed.
Thanks again for the rich link.
**you're welcome
Minerva
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shakti
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Posted - 17 Dec 2005 : 02:33:32 AM
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Hi minerva,
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Originally posted by minerva
**I don't know, haven't really given her type much consideration, other than she is an N.
You're definitely right on the N.
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**A 9w1 princess might not fit with the associations that you might make based on your understanding and knowledge of the enneagram, but I don't think that archetype's have to fit neatly into boxes. If you knew my daughter you might notice what I mean. An example, once I went to a school function, in which drug awareness awards were being given out, I watched all the kids walk up to the podium to recieve their respective awards, then, noticing my daughter walk across the stage, her demeanor struck me as quite regal, demure, and digified, its the way she carries herself. The princess seems to sum her up fairly well, overall, it would take further consideration to recognize the behavior patterns that correlated and backed-up the energy of the archtype.
My 2w3 daughter is competitive, and assertive, possibly even aggressive, tomboyish, she plays sports, and is naturally gifted in athletics, and she has excelled in every sport that she has chosen to participate in...the olympian comes to mind as a possible archtype. Although admittedly, my understanding of archetypes is limited and the associations that I might be making could be considered further, and possibly revised
I agree that archetypes aren't associated with type in any strict way. I can get a sense for what you a describing with your daughters...very helpful. It is possible to see archetypal energy shift in oneself/another person...a moment a coquette and the next someone matronly or the next let's leave the cares of the world and be like we were when we were children etc. Yet, I think we each have an affinity to certain archetypes or they come through us in a very specific way. For example, the child archetype in one person could be one way and in another some other way. The phobic child or wounded child versus the magical or nature child. This is fun stuff...but also a bit slippery. As you suggest, archetypes don't fit into neat boxes.
Hope to check back on this thread over the weekend.
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shakti
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 03:46:26 AM
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Hi minerva,
This might be a more detailed answer that you were looking for. But, I sorta got into it, as I began reading.
Thank you for providing an entry point with your question.
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I have an interest in the symbolism of alchemy, and looked at the archetype of alchemist. There was only one sentence that I could identify with though, so not sure if this counts.
You may identify with this archetype if you are interested in a path of spiritual development that is aligned to the mystery schools or study of the laws of the universe.
I identify with half a sentence in the artist archetype:
Doing what you do in such a way that you create an emotional field...also indicates the Artist energy at work...
Myss doesn't list phobic child, but it is energy I relate to among child energies. I know its presence in myself and others, and can feel its physical presence even if I cannot feel the fear emotion real time.
Though it isn't a general relationship to animals, I have had an intense relationship with two animal companions who came into my life during especially difficult times, so to some extent I relate to nature child:
This archetype inspires deep, intimate bonding with natural forces, and has a particular affinitiy for friendships with animals. Although the Nature Child has tender, emotional qualities, it can also have an inner toughness and ability to survive--the resilience of Nature herself. Nature Children can develop advanced skills of communicating with animals, and in stories reflecting this archetype an animal often comes to the rescue of its child companion.
I definitely have some connection to the goddess Kali, though I can't say I would choose the Destroyer archetype.
Destruction and Reconstruction is another way of describing the Death and Rebirth cycle of life. Systems and structures must be dismantled so that new life can be born. Myths and legends about gods and goddesses bringing destruction to the earth are common to all traditions. Yahweh destroyed the world through the great Flood ... In the Hindu tradition, the goddess Kali, generally pictured wearing a belt made of dismembered arms and a necklace of human skulls, represents the ... power of destruction....
Architect This archetype also manifests as a talent for engineering everyday situations or designing solutions to common dilemmas.
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I read about the Olympian and princess. But, only skimmed the rest quickly. I think Myss has a really strong teacher archetype, and unfortunately, my reactivity is getting triggered. There are a lot of interesting possibilities on the site, so I am sure I will return....
Anne
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Louise
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 04:13:21 AM
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I like it 
2w1 so/sp
MBTI ISFJ
Socionics FiSe(ISFj)
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attention whore
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Posted - 18 Dec 2005 : 11:56:25 AM
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Seizure Robots
Call me "attn: ho" for short :p |
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minerva
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Posted - 19 Dec 2005 : 01:04:56 AM
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Originally posted by bluelotus.....
**Hi Anne,
This might be a more detailed answer that you were looking for. But, I sorta got into it, as I began reading.
Thank you for providing an entry point with your question.
**yw
I have an interest in the symbolism of alchemy, and looked at the archetype of alchemist. There was only one sentence that I could identify with though, so not sure if this counts.
You may identify with this archetype if you are interested in a path of spiritual development that is aligned to the mystery schools or study of the laws of the universe.
I identify with half a sentence in the artist archetype:
Doing what you do in such a way that you create an emotional field...also indicates the Artist energy at work...
Myss doesn't list phobic child, but it is energy I relate to among child energies. I know its presence in myself and others, and can feel its physical presence even if I cannot feel the fear emotion real time.
Though it isn't a general relationship to animals, I have had an intense relationship with two animal companions who came into my life during especially difficult times, so to some extent I relate to nature child:
This archetype inspires deep, intimate bonding with natural forces, and has a particular affinitiy for friendships with animals. Although the Nature Child has tender, emotional qualities, it can also have an inner toughness and ability to survive--the resilience of Nature herself. Nature Children can develop advanced skills of communicating with animals, and in stories reflecting this archetype an animal often comes to the rescue of its child companion.
I definitely have some connection to the goddess Kali, though I can't say I would choose the Destroyer archetype.
Destruction and Reconstruction is another way of describing the Death and Rebirth cycle of life. Systems and structures must be dismantled so that new life can be born. Myths and legends about gods and goddesses bringing destruction to the earth are common to all traditions. Yahweh destroyed the world through the great Flood ... In the Hindu tradition, the goddess Kali, generally pictured wearing a belt made of dismembered arms and a necklace of human skulls, represents the ... power of destruction....
Architect This archetype also manifests as a talent for engineering everyday situations or designing solutions to common dilemmas.
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I read about the Olympian and princess. But, only skimmed the rest quickly. I think Myss has a really strong teacher archetype, and unfortunately, my reactivity is getting triggered. There are a lot of interesting possibilities on the site, so I am sure I will return....
**Thank you for sharing the connections that you have identified with various archetypes, when you mentioned not really having mental associations between type 9w1, and the princess archtype, it caused me to consider if some projections were being made on my part, wrt, to some of the associated behaviors, also, I feel some connection to a few of the archetypes, and wonder if under different circumstances, the energy of a particular archetype might manifest itself, due to shifts in roles that take place. The identifications made on my part were with The mother, child, companion, goddess Athena, seeker, and student. In my early/mid twenties, the victim,
wounded child, and wounded healer, seemed to influence my behavior patterns, but its interesting that once you have reconciled certain aspects of your past, self-healing seems to allow you to move past the energy associated with certain archetypes. I also notice that shifts in roles occur comparative to what you mentioned, especially wrt, shifts btw, role of mother to child (playmate) in relation to my children, and even in a broader more generalized sense.
Thank you again for your reply,
Minerva
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