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rockrose
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 Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 12:44:47 PM
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Hey Weatherman,
you said you were interested in knowing more sex/soc 5.
What do you (and others) think of Neil Young as a sex/soc 5.
He has been described as:
visionary
erratic
reclusive
eccentric
genius
intense
enigmatic
driven
tortured
fine tuning his work
these adjectives are all applied to him by critics and fans alike
they pretty well describe the levels of health of a 5
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Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
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The_Weatherman
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 1:33:57 PM
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Don´t know him that well. Unfortunately...
5w4 sx/so/sp |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 5:29:50 PM
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well if you decide to read up on him, let me know if you relate.
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 6:54:43 PM
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| Neil Young is a classical 6 |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:20:02 PM
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| how classical, invicta? please expand. |
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:25:53 PM
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Listen to his singing, watch his mannerisms, and keep in mind all those externals you listed--those are good. Now go beyond the externals and hear what he is expressing, his concerns and his focus.
What is he expressing through his
visionary
erratic
reclusive
eccentric
genius
intense
enigmatic
driven
tortured
fine tuning his work
behavior?
You should find the defense of the underdog in there.
And there you have the secret to typing through motivation.
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:33:29 PM
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So that means that John Lennon is a 2 since he talks about love so much.
Do you not believe in the levels of health as described on this site?
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:36:03 PM
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it does irritate me when people post opinions and they have done no background research,
every item I've listed are the adjectives that come up over and over in reading about Neil. i did several hours of research on the net.
All of this description points to 5. Every trait is right there in the levels of health.
I don't see the words visionary, eccentric, genius, reclusive in the 6.
I see loyal, community builder, steadfast, dependable. that's NOT Neil Young. |
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:37:52 PM
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If you see 5 motivations in Neil Young's art then that's cool. If you see 2 motivations in John Lennon's expressions then that's good too. This is not exact, it is an intuitive art.
I hope my interpretation was well met. If not--eh so is life.
What though, rockrose, besides his external behavior, gives you the impression he is motivated to withdraw? |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:38:42 PM
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| and since you're so convinced about his focus being the defense of the underdog, please prove that. i see lyrics about love and loneliness. Sounds like a sexual 5 to me. |
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:41:20 PM
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Rockin' In The Free World"
There's colors on the street
Red, white and blue
People shufflin' their feet
People sleepin' in their shoes
But there's a warnin' sign
on the road ahead
There's a lot of people sayin'
we'd be better off dead
Don't feel like Satan,
but I am to them
So I try to forget it,
any way I can.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
We got a thousand points of light
For the homeless man
We got a kinder, gentler,
Machine gun hand
We got department stores
and toilet paper
Got styrofoam boxes
for the ozone layer
Got a man of the people,
says keep hope alive
Got fuel to burn,
got roads to drive.
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world
Keep on rockin' in the free world,
Keep on rockin' in the free world.
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:41:53 PM
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| it's well known that he withdraws. He's known to be reclusive. |
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:46:42 PM
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Not his behavior, his motivation.
You can guess at his MBTI by behavior, that's what it's all about. The enneagram is about motivation.
I would not argue that Young was an ESTJ, his behavior is clearly at odds with that.
I sense you are feeling defensive, so you know, if you are getting upset, just disregard my assessment of Neil as 6 and carry on as you were. |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:48:39 PM
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Most of Neil Young's songs are about loneliness and love. Sexual 5.
"Lookin' For A Love"
I've been looking for a lover
But I haven't met her yet
She'll be nothing like
I pictured her to be
In her eyes I will discover
Another reason why
I want to live
and make the best
of what I see.
Where the sun hits the water
And the mountains meet the sand
There's a beach
that I walk along sometimes
And maybe there I'll meet her
And we'll start to say 'hello'
And never stop to think
of any other time.
Looking' for a love
that's right for me
I don't know how long
it's going to be
But I hope I treat her kind
And don't mess with her mind
When she starts to see
the darker side of me.
Looking' for a love
that's right for me
I don't know how long
it's going to be
But I hope I treat her kind
And don't mess with her mind
When she starts to see
the darker side of me.
I've been looking for a lover
But I haven't met her yet
She'll be nothing like
I pictured her to be
In her eyes I will discover
Another reason why
I want to live
and make the best
of what I see.
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:50:10 PM
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you're wrong about my motivation, Invicta, i'm not getting defensive. i get upset at uninformed opinions.
And I see you don't know Neil Young at all. |
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Invicta
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:50:54 PM
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| Love songs are primarily 5? |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:51:51 PM
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and I sense you are being patronizing. So if you don't like my information, just carry on as well.
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 7:55:13 PM
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since you don't get it, Invicta, I'll spell it out for you.
A sexual 5's main interest:
"they are looking for the ideal mate, the mate for life, who will not be turned off by their strangeness" (Wisdom)
Reread the lyrics I posted. |
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ptypes
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:11:16 PM
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I've always seen Neil Young as somewhat antisocial.
"“He had this vibe like Clint Eastwood -- he was like death. You saw him ride into town. You didn’t know a thing about him, but you knew not to [mess] with this guy. Everyone was petrified of Neil.”"
http://www.post-gazette.com/books/reviews/20020604review999.asp
I think his type is 7w8. |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:22:38 PM
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why 7w8 ptypes?
The 7 and 8 part of him could be his arrows.
You said I looked like a 7w8 too. Yet I'm no extrovert and I feel overwhelmed with people. My main problem has always been feeling alienated. I've covered up with 7 and 8. I'm becoming quite conscious of that. Maybe Neil does that too.
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ptypes
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:37:55 PM
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My impression of him is that he is antisocial, cussedly independent, combative, ruthless, an sob. The review of that book confirmed my impression. I also thought of him as kind of a warrior-rocker - he challenged the system, really.
I type the 7w8 as introverted. |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:40:04 PM
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| If you look at his lyrics, you won't see ruthless there, it's all about love, loneliness, some about family. How would that fit in? |
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ptypes
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:48:16 PM
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| He has a history and reputation for ruthlesses in his career. I don't know much about his private life. I'm sure that Don Juan talked about love, too, and he may have really loved someone, but there's no record of it. But he was ruthless. |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 8:55:57 PM
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That's interesting, ptypes.
I wonder if a sex/soc 5, with time, could hide their sensitivity with 7 and 8 traits such as ruthlessness.
Just curious. |
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 9:11:54 PM
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here's Neil young's view on "ruthless"
from:
http://harpmagazine.com/articles/detail.cfm?article_id=3716
"Neil scares me a lot," Graham Nash, told biographer Jimmy McDonough for his 2002 biography, Shakey. "I don't understand him. I don't understand his ability to change his mind ruthlessly."
Changing his mind is something Steven Stills can no doubt attest to, when in 1976, catching a plane home and abandoning a tour with Stills, Young alerted him with a telegram that read: "Dear Stephen: Funny how something that starts spontaneously ends that way. Eat a peach, Neil."
"That could be construed as being ruthless, because someone doesn't understand that impulse," Young bristles. "They're going to think, 'Well, this guy just does exactly what he wants to do. I can't understand why he's so driven to do what's good for him, he's ruthless.' What is ruth? I don't know what ruth is. I just know that what I have to do is follow the muse, so I do what I have to do to make that happen," says Young, just this side of annoyance, his arms now folded in front of him, in a defensive posture. The first sign of any pique during this entire interview.
"I've had to do all kinds of things that as a human being I felt bad about, because working with different musicians and working with people to get where I want to go, you have to be able to sever the ties and say, 'I'm sorry. I'm not working with you now. I'm working with someone else. I'm going this way and you're not coming with me. These other people--I'm going with them now.'
"But I'm still going down the road," he continues. "They'll be down there somewhere. If they lose interest in what they're doing because they needed me, then they don't have what it takes to go on their own. In that way, I think I could be described as ruthless because I won't bend to normal considerations. It's a responsibility to be on your journey."
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I can totally relate to Neil's feelings. That's how I run my life.
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rockrose
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 9:20:23 PM
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I also just read more on all his health problems (epilepsy for one).
I'm starting to see that perhaps it's the fear of constant death lurching at his door that motivates him with intensity. |
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