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lilalove
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 Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 6:51:21 PM
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I don't know if I agree with this. And it's not defense either
Name me a single female 6w7 in the public eye that has a history of being stable and consistent in the way Michelle Obama is. I've never known one.
The super real sx/so
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anon
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 7:02:07 PM
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I hate typing people I don't more than formally know..and I guess you want me to name one in a large, public social context, so I can't offer any argument there. Though, intuitively, I'm not sure that being under the mass-eye is a particular reason for a 6w7 to crumble. Surely an extremely stressful situation could compare (or at least, that's what I get from the discussion)? The strongest woman I know is a 6w7. Infact, her push towards strength was a lesson she learnt better than most, and now harvests it better than most. Better than anyone I've ever met, actually.
With Death, Being stands before itself in its "ownmost potentiality for Being". In anxiety, in which one's potentiality-for-Being is completely indefinate, Being may recognise in this indefinition its own Death; as the possibility of no longer projecting any possibilities, the possibility of being unable to define one's possibilites any further. Death is, in this way, the possibility of the impossibility of any existance at all: not my own, not anyone elses. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 7:29:22 PM
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Though, intuitively, I'm not sure that being under the mass-eye is a particular reason for a 6w7 to crumble.
Michelle Obama was under a lot more pressure than just the public eye. She was being taken apart in the most foul of ways. She was alone with her kids. Her husband on the campaign trail all the time. Her husband was under mass attack by the GOP. Hate and death threats made all the time by crazy people. And she never lost her consistent baring. She never saw herself or her husband as victims under siege.
She does not do the little girl one moment warrior woman the next.
Yes, 6w7's can be strong.. but it's like a champion in a war zone.
You can feel what they shoulder.
With Michelle.. it felt like she was not having to shoulder very much at all... even though she was. She was not having to pull from a hidden well of power like 6w7's do when they become troopers.
All of it.. she was stronger than it by nature.
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anon
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 7:34:51 PM
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Fair enough.
With Death, Being stands before itself in its "ownmost potentiality for Being". In anxiety, in which one's potentiality-for-Being is completely indefinate, Being may recognise in this indefinition its own Death; as the possibility of no longer projecting any possibilities, the possibility of being unable to define one's possibilites any further. Death is, in this way, the possibility of the impossibility of any existance at all: not my own, not anyone elses. |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 8:49:40 PM
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Originally posted by bear
watch the video here
http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/tis-but-a-man-gone-but-what-a-man/
tss called it - 8w9. When I ran into this clip I was taken aback by how much his body language and facial expressions completely mimic my father. You'll see evidence of the playful bad boy in that article, as well in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlkjqbSU0Q
no 6 is he (though maybe you can see what a rabbit cavett is in the clip)
I can see 6 as much (or more than) 8 in those clips.
Meryl Streep's comments: "....As a man, he was very self-deprecating.....very, very modest..."
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dfgray44
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 9:23:37 PM
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Originally posted by JoL
Do you agree that Barbara Walters is an 8? Compare the two. How are they different?
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
Yes, I think Barbara Walters is an 8. I don't get a similar vibe from the two of them. Not sure how to put it in words.......
If I do my patent-pending fantasy/picturing exercises..... I can easily imagine Michelle doting on other people; whereas, as much as I try, I can't pull up an image of Barbara doing any doting.
I can picture Michelle getting very angry, but it's righteous anger, and the kind of anger that comes of someone who doesn't chew up anger/lust/power as her fuel for life.
I see Barbara getting angry much less often, and it's because aggression is at-the-ready in her psychological tool belt - she has no qualms about showing a sword on behalf of her own self-interest.
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JoL
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 9:48:22 PM
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I can see Michelle being protective and loving, but not doting. She has high standards for her daughters.
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DigitalCrash
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 10:19:08 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
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Though, intuitively, I'm not sure that being under the mass-eye is a particular reason for a 6w7 to crumble.
Michelle Obama was under a lot more pressure than just the public eye. She was being taken apart in the most foul of ways. She was alone with her kids. Her husband on the campaign trail all the time. Her husband was under mass attack by the GOP. Hate and death threats made all the time by crazy people. And she never lost her consistent baring. She never saw herself or her husband as victims under siege.
She does not do the little girl one moment warrior woman the next.
Yes, 6w7's can be strong.. but it's like a champion in a war zone.
You can feel what they shoulder.
With Michelle.. it felt like she was not having to shoulder very much at all... even though she was. She was not having to pull from a hidden well of power like 6w7's do when they become troopers.
All of it.. she was stronger than it by nature.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8
I definitely agree. And for this reason, I'd have to say Michelle is probably an 8w9.
To me, when I see her getting angry, I see a blast. Not the same as a 1 getting angry. When a One gets angry it's like a tea kettle boiling. It starts to boil more and more until... well, you know, that high-pitched noise.
An 8 on the other hand is very steady. 8s may in fact have standards and morals. I see Michelle Obama as an 8-2-5. Though, I can't really give any solid proof or evidence.
It's just as Lila said, she's very stable, and even though 1s may be poised as well... they tend to get too flustered with their own morals and beliefs to be completely stable and unaffected by things.
For this reason, in my eyes, Michelle is more of an 8. Eights aren't always necessarily about blasting anger. They're more about defending themselves and having a solid resistance towards life. That is they are solid and stable like a rock. They aren't necessarily always going to fight back or be barbaric. Sometimes, or actually most of the time, they are confident that the things in life aren't going to hurt them. Thus, this gives them, especially those that are successful and have been taught morals, a sort of poise and calm manner. Especially in 8w9 of course.
They are calm when speaking out their ideas and opinions (or at least what they think is right and wrong). They aren't flustered easily or influenced as easily as Ones are by their own beliefs. They aren't willing to subdue anyone and make them submit to their own beliefs - though, they are still willing to defend their own beliefs.
Though, this is all just theory, but not much about Michelle Obama.
2w3 So/Sx/Sp, ENFJ 2-5-9
"And although we have no obligation - to stay alive - on broken backs we beg for mercy - we will survive!" - Behind Closed Doors, Rise Against
Zodiac:
Sagitarrius (Greek)
Horse (Chinese)
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bear
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 11:01:28 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I can see 6 as much (or more than) 8 in those clips.
not one of your finer typing moments, df. 
it's the guy on the left who's the 6. i don't see a stitch of 6 in him, other than he seems a little nervous being on TV in front of a live audience.
Meryl Streep's comments: "....As a man, he was very self-deprecating.....very, very modest..."
Modesty is not beyond 8 by any means. They can be very sweet and even somewhat introverted.
Michelle needs more study IMO, but I'd put my bets on 3 or 1 before 2.
WIKI
By the time of the 2008 Democratic National Convention in August, media outlets observed Obama's presence on the campaign trail had grown softer than at the start of the race, focusing on soliciting concerns and empathizing with audience rather than throwing down challenges to them, and giving interviews to shows like The View and publications like Ladies' Home Journal rather than appearing on news programs. The change was even reflected in her fashion choices, with Obama wearing more and more sundresses in place of her previous designer pieces.[52] The View appearance was partly intended to help soften the perception of her,[75] and it was widely-covered in the press.[80]
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.ron4
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 11:21:50 PM
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type 2 level 5;
Behavior, intrusive "rescuer", unwanted advice
Attitude, Possessive, thin skinned, "intimate" jealous.
level 4, love is their supreme value.
R&H
kiss kiss kiss my ***
Ron
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.ron4
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Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 11:27:39 PM
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[I] see Michelle holding back her words for Obama's sake.
It will take time typing her as far as [I'm] concerned.
Ron
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.ron4
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 01:16:06 AM
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My dad's not with us anymore.
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baba
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 04:40:48 AM
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Originally posted by .ron4
My dad's not with us anymore.
Condoled, Ron with the loss of y'r father. |
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ptypes
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 11:31:54 AM
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| Ron, best wishes to you in dealing with your loss. Dave |
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lilalove
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 12:29:12 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
My dad's not with us anymore.
I am so sorry, ron.
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JoL
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 1:00:04 PM
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sorry Ron
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Odyssey
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 2:30:42 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
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Originally posted by Scandia
She's a 6w7. Her trifix is 6-8-2.
ENTJ 3w4 SP/SO/SX SLOEI Inventive
No way. Even a healthy 6w7 would not be able to hold up under the amount of pressure she was under. Not for as long as she did. A 6w7 would start to show some cracks in the armor. Michelle does not go back and forth between weak and strong. She is a stable and solid force.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8
I know a so6w7, on the healthy side, who absolutely shines under the spotlight, when the pressure is on. That's when she's at her best : poised, confident, elegant, diplomatic, respectful and mentally agile. A 'healthy' person can do anything. I don't see why a healthy 6 couldn't remain calm and composed under pressure.
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.ron4
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 3:52:46 PM
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Friends, it's ok. It's been a few years now
since my dad pasted away. Someone had asked
about my dad, unknowing so I informed them
he was not with us anymore.
Thank you all for your sentiments.
Ron
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lilalove
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 4:59:34 PM
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I know a so6w7, on the healthy side, who absolutely shines under the spotlight, when the pressure is on. That's when she's at her best : poised, confident, elegant, diplomatic, respectful and mentally agile. A 'healthy' person can do anything. I don't see why a healthy 6 couldn't remain calm and composed under pressure.
But that is your typing. you also think Michelle is a 6.
A healthy 6 can remain calm under pressure... but it is matter of what kind of pressure and for how long.
Name a single female 6w7 in the public eye with the same energy as Michelle Obama. .
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Odyssey
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 5:04:25 PM
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No point doing it. It would be my typing too.
A healthy person doesn't care how long the pressure is on. There is no type that CAN'T do this or that when in health. Plus she's a lawyer, if I'm not mistaken. She's got adequate training for this job, and enough brains to avoid the pitfalls.
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lilalove
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 6:08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Delph
No point doing it. It would be my typing too.
A healthy person doesn't care how long the pressure is on. There is no type that CAN'T do this or that when in health. Plus she's a lawyer, if I'm not mistaken. She's got adequate training for this job, and enough brains to avoid the pitfalls.
Something about life being an adventure.
Ah, so you can't find a known female 6w7 in the public eye with the same energy as Michelle. I thought not.
the thing about health... even a healthy person drops in levels when under enough stress. That is when we can nail down type, more often than not.
The thing I have found about healthy 6w7's is that they drop in health levels a little faster than many other types.
You are free to not agree.
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Odyssey
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 05:11:53 AM
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Precedent isn't proof. Before one man walked on the moon, no man had ever walked on the moon. Are you saying that no 6 could run a successful campaign as a candidate-first-lady ? Waow. I guess 6-women are really limited, aren't they.
As I said, she's a lawyer. She can handle the nasty rhetoric of a campaign.
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lilalove
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 10:13:06 AM
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Originally posted by Delph
Precedent isn't proof. Before one man walked on the moon, no man had ever walked on the moon. Are you saying that no 6 could run a successful campaign as a candidate-first-lady ? Waow. I guess 6-women are really limited, aren't they.
As I said, she's a lawyer. She can handle the nasty rhetoric of a campaign.
Something about life being an adventure.
I never said a 6 could not run a successful campaign as a candidate-first-lady. There are enneagram types if we are going to use this system. I don't think Michelle Obama is a 6w7 based on this system.
She does not come across like a healthy 6w7 under high levels of stress. Even healthy types are still their type. 6w7's are far more endearing than Michelle Obama. There is no under note of almost child like appeal in Michelle Obama.
Michelle also seems to draw her core strength from a different area than a double head type. So, that makes me doubt 6w5 as well. Even though 6w5's can seem more energy grounded, over all, than 6w7's.
BTW, you may disagree but try not to put words in my mouth. Thank you.
For the record, Dick Cheney's wife is a 6w7 and she did a fine job on the campaign trail for her husband.
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Odyssey
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 11:09:00 AM
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Then don't say things that you can't prove either :
"Even a healthy 6w7 would not be able to hold up under the amount of pressure she was under."
You cannot prove that.
Just say that her energy doesn't feel like a 6-energy to you. There is no need to make blanket judgments by saying : so-and-so could never do this or that. This is pure speculation on your part.
Furthermore, Mrs Cheney doesn't fit my idea of 'endearing and childlike'  but then again, I don't think SO-6 come off as child-like at all, quite the opposite. The ones I know are pretty intimidating executive women.
So ya see, it's all a question of opinion.
We're just going to have to ask Michelle for an interview.
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entre1
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 12:11:59 PM
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Her type is reasonably obvious...and it's obvious she isn't a head type.
The rest you can distinguish by body language...is it compliant(reined in) or expansive? Does she lean forward and do stuff like put her elbows on tables or is she stiffer? Why you all use pics instead of youtubes I have no clue.
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What type is Michelle Obama?
