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JoL
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 Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 1:50:22 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59twO1fJwtQ
She appears to be doing just what she says she has to do...softening her image. She's being very careful, but I see a lot of power behind it.
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lilalove
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 3:42:32 PM
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Then don't say things that you can't prove either :
"Even a healthy 6w7 would not be able to hold up under the amount of pressure she was under."
You name me a single known female 6w7 who has been under that amount of pressure where you can't see oscillations. Double head types have an entirely different energy pattern. By 'hold up' I meant 'in body' grounded force. It is clear you have no idea what i'm talking about and i can't make you see it.
Other people understand what i'm talking about so don't worry about it.
I'm not trashing my own type. Female 6w7's are great. We are the little kitten powerful tiger.
No fear.
I just don't think Michelle Obama is a 6. And you are correct.. I could never prove it in a way you could understand.
I'm done talking about this with you. We are at a deadlock and I don't have the patients. That is my failing not yours. |
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marie
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 7:13:47 PM
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I have her as an Eight with Nine also. She has a sort of unapologetic magnificence about her.
She also has big innocent eyes...kind of like Susan Sarandon.
She' smart...but she doesn't think too much. She couldn't have that posture if she thought too much.
I know she feels the occasional need to soften herself...to tone herself down....but the most she can manage is a black and white sundress which mostly serves to reveal how well she could arm wrestle her opponent.
I think she reminds Barack of Toot. That's where his object relation fixation figures into this picture. I bet his grandfather was also a Nine. (It always helps if you can manage an object fixation on a healthy parental figure.)
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lovemyth
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 7:27:34 PM
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her eyes are amazing. her gaze...
i must say that i have absolutly no knowledge on her being, her ways...
but the power of that gaze... as others have pointed out her visable stability, groundedness would make me guess at 8.
means nothing with no background but there it is.
-unrelentingly ridiculous-
current lololo8 status:
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baba
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 05:21:56 AM
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Originally posted by lilalove
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Then don't say things that you can't prove either :
"Even a healthy 6w7 would not be able to hold up under the amount of pressure she was under."
You name me a single known female 6w7 who has been under that amount of pressure where you can't see oscillations. Double head types have an entirely different energy pattern. By 'hold up' I meant 'in body' grounded force. It is clear you have no idea what i'm talking about and i can't make you see it.
Other people understand what i'm talking about so don't worry about it.
I'm not trashing my own type. Female 6w7's are great. We are the little kitten powerful tiger.
No fear.
I just don't think Michelle Obama is a 6. And you are correct.. I could never prove it in a way you could understand.
I'm done talking about this with you. We are at a deadlock and I don't have the patients. That is my failing not yours.
Y're totally right, Lila about female 6w7's and huge pressure.
Do'nt want to go in details (out of topic here) but my wife's partner
at school (duo-job) is a nice example.
Michelle is certainly not a head type. |
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dfgray44
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marie
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 09:57:25 AM
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Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all. |
Edited by - marie on 09 Jan 2009 10:03:56 AM |
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baba
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:07:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by marie
Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all.
Well,maybe I am a One afterall, lol
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/3181612665_dbc195f907.jpg?v=0 |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:09:09 AM
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Originally posted by marie
Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all.
If you watch that last video I posted, it's pretty difficult to type him as an 8. He actually talks about 'head' and 'gut' issues, and mentions his own fear in a way that would be unusual for an 8. Also describes taking out an ad in a major newspaper to apologize for something.
I'd like to see your comments after having watched it.
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marie
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:27:59 AM
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Originally posted by baba
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Originally posted by marie
Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all.
Well,maybe I a One afterall, lol
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/3181612665_dbc195f907.jpg?v=0
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baba
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:40:36 AM
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by baba
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Originally posted by marie
Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all.
Well,maybe I a One afterall, lol
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/3181612665_dbc195f907.jpg?v=0
JB - you are not a One! Y're just some weird kind of Six.
Weird in a sense I behave like a five without it's fixation ?
Enjoy life as a seven ?
Stable as a Nine ?
I must confess, I was really shocked, watching unhealthy Tony Soprano
guess sx/sp or sp/sx 8w7 saying: In the long run you can only trust y'r own
inner blood circle.. forget friends in that respect.
so, Yes loyalty and Six for me..
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marie
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:45:20 AM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
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Originally posted by marie
Paul Newnam seems very gut centered to me. R and H have him as an Eight...obviously with a Nine wing.
I just cannot see him as a Six. He has a solid gut centered core.
If not an Eight, maybe he's a One?
I had never thought about him before....just accepted the Eight typing, but, he has a sort of old fashioned elegance...Eights can be regal, but elegant? Not so much. Paul Newman probably knew how to use the correct little fork at the dinner table. And he had a real attention to detail. Maybe he's a One after all.
If you watch that last video I posted, it's pretty difficult to type him as an 8. He actually talks about 'head' and 'gut' issues, and mentions his own fear in a way that would be unusual for an 8. Also describes taking out an ad in a major newspaper to apologize for something.
I'd like to see your comments after having watched it.
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marie
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:47:31 AM
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Originally posted by baba
Weird in a sense I behave like a five without it's fixation ?
Enjoy life as a seven ?
Stable as a Nine ?
Yeah...among other things. Still, obviously a Six.
Always questioning.... |
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baba
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 11:00:42 AM
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by baba
Weird in a sense I behave like a five without it's fixation ?
Enjoy life as a seven ?
Stable as a Nine ?
Yeah...among other things. Still, obviously a Six.
Always questioning....
Yeah, I guess the questioning is stronger, because of the trifix
6-9-3.. Identity problems.
Look at Obama, the first time, so far I remember, You and Jase are
not on the same line, not that it's a problem, but the inner circle
gives often more complexity.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 11:33:03 AM
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Originally posted by marie
Yes...he just seems to have a huge Nine wing. I could never see Six in him.
A "huge 9-wing" doesn't cover all the stuff in that video. If it doesn't specifically point toward Six, it does specifically point away from 8.
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Odyssey
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 09:04:34 AM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
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Originally posted by JoL
Do you agree that Barbara Walters is an 8? Compare the two. How are they different?
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
Yes, I think Barbara Walters is an 8. I don't get a similar vibe from the two of them. Not sure how to put it in words.......
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Barbara Walters always looks/acts/talks like she has certainty.
I also remember fondly Ann Richards, Governor or Texas, who was tough, fair, spontaneous and unapologetic. Come to think of it, I think an 8-wife could easily be a detriment to a candidate to the White House, because of potential bluntness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=GT_akDBRmmA
Michelle Obama is a woman of convictions : she's directed by her values - superego driven. She keeps herself in check. It's important for her to be good, and to do good. She's not into power as an end, but only as a mean to accomplish good things in the community. I think 2w1 makes sense for her, but I still think 6w5 is possible. She's a passionate advocate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCYFpUAJ2Q
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Edited by - Odyssey on 10 Jan 2009 09:09:37 AM |
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JoL
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 2:06:16 PM
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Much of her behavior will be affected by her role. She's being told to "tone it down".
Early in the campaign I'd cringe when I saw her speak. I got the sense that she would come on so strong that she'd become a target of hatred.
She's been able to contain her energy.
She's done a good job of changing her image.
I still think she's an 8.
Addendum: In the above video she seems so much like an instinct type. She talks about passion. Look at her affect and her body language. That's no 2 imo.
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
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ptypes
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 2:33:29 PM
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The Heart and Mind of Michelle Obama
http://www.oprah.com/article/omagazine/ss_omag_200711_mobama/7
"She is down-to-earth—grounded is the word you hear most—and she tries to keep her husband that way, too. It's become part of Barack Obama lore that backstage at the 2004 Democratic convention, minutes before he gave the keynote speech that would put him on the political map, Michelle told him, "Just don't screw it up, buddy!" In the early days of the current campaign, she got in the habit of ribbing him about his domestic failings—not picking up his socks, not putting away the butter—in full public view. This is the kind of behavior she's alluding to when she says, "My parents weren't very optimistic that I was going to find anybody who would put up with me." But she makes no apologies for her remarks. After New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd characterized the wifely chiding as "emasculating," Michelle countered, "We need leaders who have their feet on the ground."
"What she didn't mention was that errant socks and butter dishes run counter to a deep craving for order instilled in her as a child (the same craving that, in college, would lead to a personal ban on all–nighters). Fraser Robinson's MS gave his family a desire to plan and organize, to make life go as smoothly as it could. "When you have a parent with a disability," Michelle says, "control and structure become critical habits, just to get through the day."
"I think she would acknowledge that I'm more easygoing than she is," says Barack. "She worries. I say, 'Calm down, it will be fine.' I don't get as tense or stressed. I'm probably more comfortable with uncertainty and risk. Partly, that has to do with our upbringings. But some of it just comes down to wiring. She has a strong perfectionist streak, though I think she has learned to be more forgiving of herself. Of course, she is also very competitive, which is why she gets upset when we play Scrabble. I usually beat her, and I tend to gloat."
Someone ought to ask entre1 and Alico if they worry a lot.
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marie
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:01:00 PM
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Michelle's Dad was a One.
Some Eights turn their need for control into perfectionism. I've seen it before. I'm thinking Paul Newman might well be a perfectionistic Eight with a big Nine wing. (He's a hard one to type though...but imo, just could not be a Six.)
As for Michelle, I just don't think a One would have likely talked about her husband's smelly feet. Kind of blunt...a bit crude. Tactless and tacky. Don't get me wrong - I really like her, but even so...
Also, she lacks any taint of ressentiment. I just can't see her as a One. She is too direct to be a Two. And just not whiny enough. Her Two comes from integration. Her Five...well, when you have a type One Dad, an Eight learns how to go to her Five. |
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JoL
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:07:14 PM
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Originally posted by marie
Michelle's Dad was a One.
Some Eights turn their need for control into perfectionism. I've seen it before. I'm thinking Paul Newman might well be a perfectionistic Eight with a big Nine wing. (He's a hard one to type though...but imo, just could not be a Six.)
As for Michelle, I just don't think a One would have likely talked about her husband's smelly feet. Kind of blunt...a bit crude. Tactless and tacky. Don't get me wrong - I really like her, but even so...
Also, she lacks any taint of ressentiment. I just can't see her as a One. She is too direct to be a Two. And just not whiny enough. Her Two comes from integration. Her Five...well, when you have a type One Dad, an Eight learns how to go to her Five.
Very good points marie! I also like her very much, and I also see the same thing you're talking about. She's blunt and (a word from gray), "rangy". She's done well containing it, but she could easily be a bull-in-the-china-shop. She has a basic aggressive energy.
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marie
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:09:35 PM
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Very good points marie!
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
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ptypes
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:15:17 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by marie
Michelle's Dad was a One.
Some Eights turn their need for control into perfectionism. I've seen it before. I'm thinking Paul Newman might well be a perfectionistic Eight with a big Nine wing. (He's a hard one to type though...but imo, just could not be a Six.)
As for Michelle, I just don't think a One would have likely talked about her husband's smelly feet. Kind of blunt...a bit crude. Tactless and tacky. Don't get me wrong - I really like her, but even so...
Also, she lacks any taint of ressentiment. I just can't see her as a One. She is too direct to be a Two. And just not whiny enough. Her Two comes from integration. Her Five...well, when you have a type One Dad, an Eight learns how to go to her Five.
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JoL
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:20:58 PM
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Originally posted by ptypes
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Originally posted by marie
Michelle's Dad was a One.
Some Eights turn their need for control into perfectionism. I've seen it before. I'm thinking Paul Newman might well be a perfectionistic Eight with a big Nine wing. (He's a hard one to type though...but imo, just could not be a Six.)
As for Michelle, I just don't think a One would have likely talked about her husband's smelly feet. Kind of blunt...a bit crude. Tactless and tacky. Don't get me wrong - I really like her, but even so...
Also, she lacks any taint of ressentiment. I just can't see her as a One. She is too direct to be a Two. And just not whiny enough. Her Two comes from integration. Her Five...well, when you have a type One Dad, an Eight learns how to go to her Five.
You'll get no argument from me. I'm trying to practice Stoicism, again.
(just for the record ptypes, I thought you made good points too.)
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
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naturechild
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 3:28:28 PM
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Originally posted by marie
Michelle's Dad was a One.
Also, some Eights turn their need for control into perfectionism. I've seen it before. I'm thinking Paul Newman is a perfectionistic Eight with a big Nine wing.
I just don't think a One would have likely talked about her husband's smelly feet. Kind of blunt...a bit crude. Tactless and tacky. Don't get me wrong - I really like her, but even so...
Also, she lacks any taint of ressentiment. I just can't see One. Her Two comes from integration. Her Five...well, when you have a type One Dad, an Eight learns how to go to her Five.
My mother-in-law is a self-pres first two, and my biggest pet peeve is her seeming lack of tactfulness, she will speak at (ad nauseum) length about her bodily functions while expecting others to hang on her every word because this proves you "care". Tactless, crass, indiscreet and blunt (low eight connection). She has had countless "surgeries" which are a result of hypochondria. I've wondered if she hasn't actually brought her illnesses on herself due to psychosomatics. Also I've felt upset with the medical system. Instead of sending her to counseling and therapy, they will just keep treating her somotized symptoms and continue to profit from them.
There's corruption within the medical system. Pharmaceudical companies offer kick backs (ie. Caribbean
Vacations) to doctors filling quotas when it comes to prescribing certain kinds of medications for off-label use. I recall reading an article about the U.S. government actually bringing a class-action lawsuit against Merck/Medco in an attempt to reclaim and recoup money which was spent treating side affects in the elderly on Medicaid, caused by over-prescription of Neurotin. I also read another expose type article which went on to tell during medical conventions Doctors had open Q&A on the floor about certain medications and pham companies actually send in representatives posing as doctors to provide counter-claim arguements or information when negative's associated with certain meds are questioned and explored.
One simple word "Greed".
As far as eights bluntness I think some eights recognize the value of diplomacy and sophistication in communication and have developed within themselves a certain self awareness which tailors the temptation to express themselves with excessive bluntness. They are aware of the social ramifications of stepping on others toes, and don't wish to become "the bull in the china-shop" because this form of expression alienates others and causes hurt feelings and resentments, not to mention pits others against them. |
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