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marie
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  1:58:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit marie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No Nine would ever make any such claim.

G.W.Bush: "I've earned capital in this election and I'm going to spend it..."

A Nine would never be so assertive either...or call any attention to himself:

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lilalove
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  2:08:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit lilalove's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Lets dance.

I'm the Decider!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYi3hSXsw4E





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The Enneagram Institute: The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you." ... when the cameras were turned off and the reporters out of the room.

I've known people of all types to make proclamations similar to that, and anyone who wants something (and we all want things) will be mindful of his behavior on the basis of who is watching. No politician of any type is going to mention the reelection angle when reporters are watching him. This reflects a near-universal human tendency that I see in almost everyone I know, including myself.

A 9w1 relative of mine talks very differently to his rowdy friends than he does to a girl he's trying to woo. A 1w2 relative and I have been known to be Mr. Hyde at work and Dr. Jekkyl at home and on vacation. A 9w8 relative cross-dresses and makes smutty jokes at home but not at work. We all do this because we want something and must adjust our behavior tactically on the basis of whether our benefactors are watching us or may discover what we do. This does not exclusively indicate the Three's particular need, which is only one of countless needs that promote this tactical behavior pattern.

And since most of us like winning better than losing, a proclamation of winning per se does not add anything significant to the argument. Such a comment may come, and come spitefully even, from anyone who wants to succeed in something for any reason. The Three's typical reason for wanting to win is only one of countless common reasons for wanting to win. We must look beyond the words and determine the motive. There are many possibilities, and these possibilities comprise a wide range of types.

In short, the instance in question neither exclusively confirms nor disconfirms any of the nine types.

The larger picture points to 9w1, as illustrated by countless probing observations offered in this and a couple of other threads. Thus, the instance that you describe suggests Nine cruising at Three.

Typing high-profile politicians is challenging, as events involving them are spun by reporters with a penchant for the sensationalistic, the hyperbolic, the exquisitely decontextualized (this is a particular specialty), and even the fantastically projective. Our challenge is to identify content that likely constitutes such fluff, consider it warily at best, and try to see the person behind it.

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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  2:16:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit lilalove's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You just can't see.




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"(11-05) 04:00 PST Washington -- President Bush proclaimed his election as evidence that Americans embrace his plans to reform Social Security, simplify the tax code, curb lawsuits and fight the war on terror, pledging Thursday to work in a bipartisan manner with "everyone who shares our goals."

"Bush staked his claim to a broad mandate and announced his top priorities at a post-election news conference, saying his 3.5 million vote victory had won him political capital that he would spend enacting his conservative agenda.

"I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," Bush told reporters. "It is my style."

"As he had done in his victory speech Wednesday, Bush spoke of building a bipartisan consensus and reaching out to the 48 percent of Americans who voted against him. Yet he made plain that he had no intention of moderating his agenda to reach that goal.

"When you win, there is ... a feeling that the people have spoken and embraced your point of view," Bush said. "And that's what I intend to tell Congress, that I made it clear what I intend to do as the president; now let's work."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/11/05/MNGOF9MKHV1.DTL

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quote:
Originally posted by lilalove

quote:
Originally posted by Stormy

Why did he write the book(s)?


Because he wanted to be a writer and community organizer when he was younger. Obama wrote a large number of short stories when he was a community organizer. It was a passion of his. They were about crumbling churches, the pain of the people, the sorrows and joys absorbed in a community. To date, none of those have been published, but I'm sure in time they will be. Obama was given a book deal at the age of 28 and chose his inner demons to expel for all the world to see and then spoke of how he found the path to an inner union of two halves that tried to tear him apart.
If he thought that book would help him as a politician 20 years from when he starting writing it.. then he was stupid. That book haunted him non-stop on the campaign trail. It was used against him, time and time again. In the end he over came it.. but it was by no means a help to him as a politician. The Hillary camp did everything they could to paint Obama as an ambitious and arrogant empty suit that could not be trusted to keep his word because he was not willing to fight. They turned Obama's natural compulsions as a peace keeper into type 3 at level 5 detached slick image lightweight who had no personal principles or values of his own other than his own image and adore. Not shockingly it was bill Clinton that had the bright idea to paint Obama in lower health 3 colors.
After Obama won the primaries McCain's team went about playing on that same distorted image of Obama the Clinton machine defined him as.

But then Mccain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate and 100% lost his ability to paint Obama as a lightweight risky choice.

So then the McCain people dug into Obama's past a little deeper.. and what they found became there next attempt at defining Obama. They found what we are seeing in fact. Remember McCain said it was Obama that was really like Bush? Everyone laughed.. but I knew what he was talking about. lol Obama is steadfast in a belief system. Obama was telling the left the truth on the campaign trail.
And that lead to screams of socialism. lol
Which is a gross exaggeration... but closer to the truth than the Clinton machine definition of Obama. Which was just really bill talking about himself.



Obama's other 2 books were clearly to define his platform for the election because he knew he was an unknown. No one cared about those two book.. they were just like every other politicians platform books before an election.


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.ron4
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I can see< GW at level 7 type 9 at times.
The Neglectful Person.
Not facing problems. Not seeing problems they have created.
Becoming obstinate and impervious to change.
Not wanting to look at reality.

Not many types at level 7 can go unnoticed like the 9 can.

Ron

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lilalove
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Yes, Bush was very unhealthy. No doubt.

Obama is rather healthy. Even healthy 9's can mule-up when challenged. It can be a knee-jerk reaction. But if they are healthy they will hear people out and work on compromise.



Friday: Obama Hears GOP Leaders' Ideas On Economy... Today: Offers Proposals In Stimulus Plan That "Appear Designed Specifically To Attract Republicans"...

Some of Obama's proposals appear designed to attract Republicans -- such as a program to double renewable energy capacity in three years that includes a measure to leverage $100 billion in private financing, and an expansion of the Child Tax Credit, to cut taxes for more than 16 million children.

Other proposals are aimed at appealing to average taxpayers, many of whom have not felt the benefit of an earlier stimulus package or the financial bailouts. Among the items: an expansion of access to the temporary health care program, Cobra, that people access when they lose their jobs.

"This does reflect some bipartisan consultations," an Obama official said.

Hmm... bipartisan consultations that fit with Obama's already personal ideological leanings.




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ptypes
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/23/clyburn-on-gop-stimulus-o_n_160476.html

"I do believe that Barack Obama campaigned last year on this certain kind of economic relief that we will give to working men and women," Congressman James Clyburn told the Huffington Post. "This proposal that [Republicans in House] are coming forward with right now is the same proposal that they took out to the American people before last November. The American people voted for Barack Obama. So that would indicate to me that we ought to be doing what Barack Obama proposed, because it was ratified by the vote. This is one of those philosophical differences that exist between us and them; and we won."

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lilalove
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Oh Lord... the troops are falling in line.

He is making the same mistake as Bush. sign...

Sweet Jesus, keep Obama from drinking until the last drop.

I understand why 3w4 at levels 3 and 4 might be better. I really, really do.

I pray Obama stays awake while he feeds the good wolf... because the bad wolf is crafty and can sneak from behind.. and before you know it.. you are feeding it.




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ptypes
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/24/AR2009012400661_2.html?hpid=topnews

"Obama, who has seen GOP support for the package evaporate in the past week, hinted on Friday that he is open to compromise on business tax breaks but also bluntly rejected some Republican proposals to reduce spending in the plan, lawmakers and aides said, arguing that he believes he has a mandate to promote his own ideas.

""I won," he reminded them, according to some who were in the room. "

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lilalove
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I have decided I want Obama to be a 3w4 at levels 1-4.

I have decided it agree with the EIDB and promote the typing.

Obama has a damage control piece that just came out By LIZ SIDOTI to appeal to the middle. It is made clear Obama is nothing like Bush or Bill and does not make divisive partisan and ideological stands.



WASHINGTON – Barack Obama opened his presidency by breaking sharply from George W. Bush's unpopular administration, but he mostly avoided divisive partisan and ideological stands. He focused instead on fixing the economy, repairing a battered world image and cleaning up government.

"What an opportunity we have to change this country," the Democrat told his senior staff after his inauguration. "The American people are really counting on us now. Let's make sure we take advantage of it."

In the highly scripted first days of his administration, Obama overturned a slew of Bush policies with great fanfare. He largely avoided cultural issues; the exception was reversing one abortion-related policy, a predictable move done in a very low-profile way.

The flurry of activity was intended to show that Obama was making good on his promise to bring change. Yet domestic and international challenges continue to pile up, and it's doubtful that life will be dramatically different for much of the ailing country anytime soon.

Obama's biggest agenda items — stabilizing the economy and ending the Iraq war — are complex tasks with results not expected soon. Even as Obama made broad pronouncements and signed a stream of executive orders to usher in a new governing era, his actions leave unanswered or unresolved questions, including how he will close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp for suspected terrorists.

In other cases, Obama set out new policy, only to signal it could be applied selectively.

He decreed that interrogators must follow techniques outlined in the Army Field Manual when questioning terrorism suspects, even as he ordered a review that could allow CIA interrogators to use other methods for high-value targets. Also, while a new White House rule limits staffers' previous lobbying activities, exceptions were made for at least two senior administration officials.

"It's always a delicate task to maintain your coalition and try to expand it," said George Edwards, a Texas A&M University political science professor. "He's making the moves in the right direction to please his supporters on signature issues. At the same time, he has not elicited immediate outrage from Republicans because he's gone out of his way to reach out to them."

Certainly, some Republicans are griping about Obama's economic stimulus plan and closing Guantanamo. But their protests are somewhat muted, perhaps because little of what Obama has done thus far is a surprise. He had prepared the country and Congress for such steps during the campaign and transition. He also has emphasized a pragmatic, bipartisan approach, and enjoys broad public support.

Most of what he tackled came in areas where there is agreement across the political spectrum for a new direction, although the country is divided over shuttering Guantanamo. Obama long has emphasized solutions over partisanship, and he doesn't seem eager to address issues — at least for now — that create great ideological divides.

That is a sharp contrast with Democrat Bill Clinton, who set the tone for an ideological presidency when he tried to overturn the ban on gays in the military. It pleased liberals, enraged conservatives and angered both the military and Congress, neither of which was consulted.

So far, Obama's only real brush with issues that stoke partisan passions came when he revoked a ban on federal funding for international groups that provide or promote abortions. He did that quietly by issuing a memorandum late Friday afternoon. The move was expected; the issue has vacillated between Republican and Democratic presidents.

Obama was sworn in Tuesday with huge support — 68 percent in a Gallup poll released Saturday — and incredible optimism from the public; Bush left Washington with record-low job approval ratings.

A picture of poise, Obama didn't get rattled when Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed the oath of office, an exercise repeated a day later to ensure constitutionality. He breezed through his speech — which repudiated Bush's tenure though never personally attacked him — without a misstep. Even with the weight of the country's troubles now on his shoulders, he was relaxed as he twirled his wife, Michelle, at celebratory balls.

"I don't sweat," Obama said on the eve of his inauguration — a comment meant literally, and, perhaps, figuratively.

Maybe not. But he has yet to face a crisis head-on as the country's leader, and it's only then that his confidence truly will be tested.

Still, Obama clearly has made the transition to governing.

"It's as if Superman stepped out of a phone booth and became Clark Kent," said Fred Greenstein, a Princeton University professor emeritus of politics. "He's beginning to put aside the rhetoric in favor of listing the policies and doing the checklist. He's not going out of his way to show a lot of flash. It's much more lets-get-down-to-work."

That said, there's a limit to what he can immediately accomplish, Greenstein said, and "the really big things can't be done on Day One, particularly if they are going to be done well."

In a mix of symbolism and substance, Obama used a host of executive tools to put his stamp on the country without having to go through Congress, making statements from the bully pulpit and signing White House directives.

He pledged to take bold steps to reverse the recession while meeting with his economic team, and told top military officials to do whatever planning necessary to "execute a responsible military drawdown from Iraq." He issued new ethics rules for his administration and pledged to preside over a transparent government.

He ordered the Guantanamo detention center shut within a year, required the closure of any remaining secret CIA "black site" prisons abroad and barred CIA interrogators form using harsh techniques already banned for military questioners. He also assigned veteran troubleshooters to the Middle East, and Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Throughout it all, Obama demonstrated noticeable stylistic differences with his predecessor.

The high-tech Obama chose to keep his cherished BlackBerry, becoming the first sitting president to use e-mail. He made an impromptu visit to the White House's cramped media quarters just "to say hello." He also was spotted at one point ducking into the White House press office to consult with an aide. Bush avoided both areas at all costs.

In one Oval Office ceremony, Obama went through each executive order as he signed them, reading parts of each and methodically explaining them. He even halted a few times to ask for clarification from his White House counsel. That sort of deferral to someone else in a public setting and admission of a less-than-perfect command of the facts was never Bush's style.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_first_week




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ptypes
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That's funny.

I just got back with the same article.


This article captures the whole pattern of what Obama's been up to rather than the EI's selective focus on a couple of words.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyA9nO6YeTXsNAB_DcuTKxAxC1iQD95TM6U80
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lilalove
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  4:50:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit lilalove's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Indeed.

the EIDB does a poor job at selling 3w4.

Lets help them out.

Our country does not want another Bush.

It will cause big problems.

I'm going to promote 3w4 at levels 1-4 because that is the image Obama needs in order to get things done.The job is to under play and under-cut every left leaning thing he does and make it sound watered down.

The Obama team wants to be promoted as a 3w4 between levels 1-4.

anything Bush is out. They want a clear difference made from Bill's 3w2 as well.




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quote:
Originally posted by lilalove

I'm going to promote 3w4 at levels 1-4 because that is the image Obama needs in order to get things done. The job is to under play and under-cut every left leaning thing he does and make it sound watered down.


Because 3w4s at Levels 1-4 can't be left-leaning?

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lilalove
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  4:59:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit lilalove's Homepage  Reply with Quote
No, because Obama clearly is but does not want that fact on his forehead to define him.

It's image.. not reality. If Obama can push through a left wing plat-form and make it sound middle road.. that's a public win.
Not like bush at all.

3w4 is much better.



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Stormy
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quote:
Originally posted by lilalove

No, because Obama clearly is but does not want that fact out of the bag,
It's image.. not reality. If Obama can push through a left wing plat-form and make it sound middle road.. that's a public win.
Not like bush at all.

3w4 is much better.


I see.
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ptypes
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quote:
Originally posted by lilalove

Indeed.

the EIDB does a poor job at selling 3w4.

Lets help them out.

Our country does not want another Bush.

It will cause big problems.

I'm going to promote 3w4 at levels 1-4 because that is the image Obama needs in order to get things done.The job is to under play and under-cut every left leaning thing he does and make it sound watered down.

The Obama team wants to be promoted as a 3w4 between levels 1-4.




"Our attaining the _eudaimôn_ ('happy') life requires that we judge things in the right way, for 'what disturbs men's minds is not events but their judgements on events' (_Handbook_ 5, trans. Matheson).

"Remember that foul words or blows in themselves are no outrage, but your judgement that they are so. So when any one makes you angry, know that it is your own thought that has angered you. Wherefore make it your endeavour not to let your impressions carry you away. For if once you gain time and delay, you will find it easier to control yourself. (_Handbook_ 20, trans. Matheson)

http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/epictetu.htm

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"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one."




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Be careful when you fight the monsters lest you worry too much about becoming one and end up stabbed by the monsters.

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Everyone,

We believe that everyone on this Board, and on this important thread in particular, is trying to learn the truth about Barack Obama's type. It's important because understanding his type correctly gives insight into the way his mind works, his approach to decision-making, his truthfulness and strength of character--and lots of other important qualities that affect the world in a President.

The "I won" comment, off camera, is indicative of someone who is self-conscious about his image--he is more candid and revealing to his closest aides, something which the public does not see. So, yes, there is much in Obama's public persona which is "Nine-ish"--but there are beginning to be more and more indications that Nine is not really his type. Below the visible surface is an ambitious, anti-shame driven Three who has always been successful and "the star" of whatever he has put his hand to, the superior guy who does not "break a sweat." The documentary and transcript we will be posting next week will give everyone much more evidence for seeing that Obama is a Three.

Also, if people go back and read our "Second Edition" of the Presidential Candidates piece, we give many reasons why Three fits Obama better than any other type, despite some of the Nine-ish things he says. Looking at the over-arching sweep of his life, we see someone of immense personal ambition who, early in his political life decided to run for the Presidency--and attained it in 12 years in publc life from start to finish. One would not say that he is "self-effacing" and "unselfconscious" (key attitudes in a Nine) but that Obama is "self-assured" and "adaptable" (key attitudes of a Three).

Further, Three is the only type which fits all of the components of the Enneagram's "mechanics" in a meaningful way. In other words, the Directions of Integration, Disintegration, Security Point, and Missing Piece, as well as his wing and dominant Instinctual Variant all make sense and fall into place without straining to make things fit.

Please understand that it's not that we want Obama to be a Three, or feel that we have a preference in the matter one way or another. We are simply trying to find the truth of who he is, and Three is the only type that not only fits virtually everything that we see in him but that this type continues to fit the new revelations as they are coming out. As a Three, Obama is a realistic pragmatist who does what he needs to do to get the country out of the mess Bush (9w8) has left it in. If Obama is really the healthy Three that he seems to us--and if he can remain healthy under all of the pressures he faces--he will indeed be a great role model for everyone, a true motivator and exemplar of personal excellence and integrity, and an authentic and truthful leader who will give us the "change we can believe in." Let's hope and pray that it will be so.

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Relatively speaking, Obama's core motivation is not to work hard to improve himself, it is to work hard for the sake of the common good.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/181293


"When Obama proclaimed "an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics," many people assumed he was sticking it to the ex-president sitting six feet away. That's true, but that's not all. The full expanse of his vision only becomes clear if we understand why he followed that indictment with the potent scriptural admonition "to put childish things aside." When he made a similar charge about the juvenilia of politics in his book "The Audacity of Hope," writing that government recently felt like a case of "arrested development," he made it clear that he didn't just mean George W. Bush. He named the Clinton-Gingrich battles of the '90s and both of Bush's elections as flare-ups in "the psychodrama of the Baby Boom generation." Obama wasn't just dissing his predecessor in his speech—he was repudiating an entire approach to politics.

"In its place, he offered a distinctive way of thinking about post-boomer government. Whatever else his address might have been, it was the furthest-reaching community-organizing speech in the history of community organizing. He celebrated those "who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom" and took a swipe at "those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame." If President Obama gets his way, we'll all be working more—and working harder—for causes greater than ourselves. Has anyone considered how tiring the next four years might be?"

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Everyone,

Just for balance, the following are the full texts from Personality Types, Levels 2 and 3 here, and in the next post, Levels 4 and 5 of the Nine, "The Peacemaker."

We believe that if one reads text of the Three (already posted on page 10 of this thread) with Barack Obama in mind, much will fall into place. Just as important, it will be possible to see with little or no difficulty that Obama operates from Levels 2 to 5. However, if one reads the text of the Nine (following) for the equivalent Levels (2 to 5) with Obama in mind, one might see him in Level 2 and a some in Level 3, but almost not at all in Levels 4 and 5. This would mean that, if he is actually a Nine, Obama would have to be opereating ONLY IN THE HEALTHY LEVELS--a very improbable thing, indeed. Here is the text for Levels 2 and 3 of type Nine.
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The Receptive Person

Unfortunately, even healthy Nines are not always so healthy. Self-possession is difficult to sustain, and the fear of losing the sense of balance and harmony they feel with the environment and with the people who are important to them always remains in the shadows of their minds. If they succumb to it, Nines desire to create peace of mind for themselves by becoming unselfconscious. Instead of bringing the fullness of their awareness to themselves, others, and the moment, they subtly begin to lose themselves in their impressions, to begin to forget that they are an active part of what they are experiencing. In the desire to merge harmoniously with the other, they begin to lose their center. Basically, to maintain a sense of peace, the Nine stops focusing on the self as an object of their attention.

Because Nines developed their sense of self by identifying with both parents, they also are able to identify with others, giving lots of positive attention to those who are central in their lives. They are extraordinarily receptive, capable of identifying with others so completely that, they are not self-conscious, self-doubting, or self-centered. Not only are healthy Nines free to give their full attention to others, they positively want to do so. Because of their ability to identify with others, healthy Nines have a great capacity for loving and sustaining others, both physically and in their imaginations.

Since they are so unselfconsciously accepting, there are few conflicts either in their emotional lives or in their relationships. Nines see themselves as peaceful, and as long as they are healthy, they really are at peace with the world. They have a high tolerance for stress and irritation; they are patient, imperturbable, relaxed, and tranquil. They do not fly off the handle over the little annoyances of life. There is also an unmistakable innocence and simplicity about healthy Nines. When you deal with a healthy Nine, you are dealing with someone who is guileless, to whom lying or trying to take advantage of others would never occur. (It is incomprehensible to them how others can be guilty of this sort of thing.)

Their receptivity allows healthy Nines to be the most trusting of the personality types. They trust others, they trust themselves, and they trust life. Because they communicate the feeling of non-judgmental acceptance of others, Nines serve as emotional anchors for people; stable and solid, they are always there when others need them. Modest, gentle, and approachable, they are sanctuaries of peace to whom others come for solace, rest, and comfort. Uncritical and unthreatening, they do not have unattainable standards either for themselves or for anyone else. They are easy to please and make very few demands on anyone. (Healthy Nines are not, however, totally uncritical and equally receptive to everyone. Some people repel them, of course, but healthy Nines are more gracious to those they dislike than any other personality type.)

Although healthy Nines feel at ease among people, they also love to commune with Nature. Sailing, hiking, camping, gardening, or taking care of animals makes them feel very much at peace. Nature--especially its mystical and mythological side--strikes a receptive chord in them because by identifying with nature, Nines feel at one with something larger than themselves. Moreover, since they are used to identifying with others, personalizing them in their minds, nature, animals, and even abstract ideas and symbols have a deep emotional resonance for them. For example, Nines do not think of their country as an abstraction but as a living thing; their pets are people to them; the countryside is populated by mythological creatures; mountains, trees, and rivers are archetypal forces; elves, ghosts, and leprechauns populate their living room or favorite shady spot.

The archetypal imagination we find in healthy Nines also has a deep appeal to other people since it taps the desire for union with the cosmos which, at some level, everyone desires and needs. Healthy Nines supply the personality types with a vision of the magic of the world. They have a way of looking at the world through innocent eyes. Their mythological imagination recalls the consciousness of childhood in which everything seemed to glow with enchantment. Healthy Nines never lose the contemplative side of themselves or their sense of wonder.

Correspondingly, Nines have an affinity for non-verbal communication. They are at home in the world of pictures and symbols, and they often tend to think in colors and impressions rather than in words. Many Nines are also attuned to music, and derive great fulfillment from singing or playing an instrument. The quality of music is very supportive of their state of awareness: playing or listening to music is an experience in which one can lose one’s self in the process. Further, the sense of harmony, tone, and vibration all feed the Nine’s feeling of oneness and flow with their environment.

Finally, since Nines see themselves as part of nature, the physical processes of sex, birth, aging, and death itself seem natural to them, things which should be accepted as part of the way things are. Their acceptance of nature and nature's ways is yet another source of their peacefulness because they are not at odds with existence as many other personality types are. Nines are not defiant of the natural order, but happy to be part of it, yielding themselves to it.


The Supportive Peacemaker

Because their peace of mind is threatened by any tension between them and others, healthy Nines want to ensure that peace reigns everywhere in their lives. Achieving and maintaining peace motivates them to become peacemakers, mediating disputes and conflicts between those they are close to. Nines want to reconcile people to each other so that everyone will be at peace, just as they are with themselves.

They are also good mediators because they take the complaints of others seriously. They understand real differences between people, why others are upset and concerned about whatever is on their minds. Healthy Nines also are able to see areas of common ground, and they work toward achieving reconciliation because they feel that there is much more to be gained by cooperation than by divisiveness.

The list of their positive qualities is a long one: healthy Nines have a healing touch and go out of their way to pour oil on troubled waters. They have a soothing effect on others because they are so calm themselves. Others find that they are mysteriously at peace simply for being in their presence. They are also optimistic and reassuring, and whenever they can responsibly do so, they stress the positive because they believe that looking on the bright side of things is preferable to dwelling on the negative. They are able to forgive and forget, to put conflicts completely behind them and get on with their relationships and their responsibilities. They are extremely affable, pleasant people, the kind others spontaneously (and rightly) call "nice," or the "salt of the earth." They are jovial and have sunny dispositions, a natural, unaffected sense of humor, and a warm, easy laugh. They are unpretentious, treating everyone with the same honest directness no matter whether the person is royalty or a cab driver. They are easygoing and as comfortable as an old shoe. It must be the rarest of persons who does not like a healthy Nine.

Healthy Nines are not simply good-natured, however. They bring other qualities to society, particularly the support which they give others so that they can thrive. Whoever is significant to Nines--spouses, children, close friends--will be the beneficiaries of their unstinting love and generosity. And since healthy Nines possess a gut instinct about others (as a result of their identification with them), what they do for people is both appropriate and valuable for their development.

And, when Nines feel something important needs to be said, they can be extremely candid, perhaps saying more than other types would find it politic to say, although Nines do so without desiring to hurt anyone. Their candor can be very valuable since they distinguish themselves by their uncommon common sense, a combination of simplicity and guilelessness so true as to be extraordinary. They have no ulterior motives, no pretensions, no large ego to protect or inflate, no concern for status or prestige, no desire to impress or condemn others. Hence, they speak with the honesty of children and the wisdom of adults.

Their serenity is certainly soothing to others, and a great help to them in negotiations of all sorts, but it also serves them very well in a crisis. Healthy Nines can maintain a level-headed calm, even in highly stressful or dangerous circumstances. They often combine this composure with their healing touch in the medical professions or in related fields of health and nutrition. Of course, Nines can be found in a wide variety of professions, but even if they are not pursuing a career in the healing arts, many high-functioning Nines are interested in a health issues and holistic approaches to life.

In a similar vein, healthy Nines are often students of metaphysics and human development. They are at home with a global, transpersonal perspective and are frequent attendees of workshops on meditation, healing, yoga and relaxation techniques. Nines enjoy exploring the world of dreams, symbols, and images, and they are not infrequently attracted to the ways of indigenous peoples who emphasized life in harmony with nature. They also are adept at synthesizing different perspectives or traditions in a way that finds the common threads in them all, but produces new insights.

Nines can be wonderfully creative in more traditional ways as well, and delight in sharing their visions of an enchanted, utopian world with others. When they are healthy, their unselfconsciousness allows them easy access to their creative process (although this changes in the average Levels of the continuum.) Not surprisingly, much of the art they produce has qualities similar to their personal style: that is, positive, reassuring, and full of a sense of wonder about the world.

Last, even though healthy Nines are easy going, they may become extremely successful in their professions because of their ability to bring out the best in others by creating a nurturing environment. But precisely because they are not competitive and never call attention to themselves, others tend to underestimate them. People take Nines for granted, until they realize how much they have contributed to everyone's welfare.



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Here is the text of Levels 4 and 5 from Personality Types of type Nine, "The Peacemaker." Read it with Barack Obama in mind (and also George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan) and see how well this description fits each of them.
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The Accommodating Role-Player

Outwardly, average Nines seem little different from healthy Nines, although a shift has taken place, not so much in their actions as in their attitudes. The difference between healthy Nines and average Nines is that healthy Nines are in touch with themselves and others, whereas average Nines gradually lose touch with themselves and others by subordinating themselves to roles and social conventions too much, putting themselves in the background so as not to ruffle their environment.

In the healthy Levels, Nines are dynamic individuals who work to create a positive, harmonious environment for themselves and others. But in so doing, they may begin to fear that asserting themselves or their desires will create conflicts with others, thus spoiling their peace. When they begin to fear getting into conflicts with others, Nines are being swept into the average Levels of the Continuum. Ironically, this strategy is the genesis of many of the conflicts that Nines will have with others. People want input and responses from Nines, but as they reflexively avoid possible conflicts and repress their opinions, their input is not forthcoming. (“Where would you like to go for dinner tonight?” “I don’t care. Wherever you want to go.”)

To avoid conflicts, Nines lower their expectations of life and of themselves, and begin going along with other people’s wishes to avoid conflicts with them. In fact, the expectations of society and of their peers begin to create a role into which Nines can disappear. Everyone plays various roles in life, but in the case of average Nines, the role is created by others and exists to fulfill their expectations and needs. Average Nines want to blend in and to be unthreatening to others. But this leads them to repress themselves, particularly their ability to assert themselves, and so become self-effacing and accommodating.

Average Nines willingly accommodate themselves to others because their sense of self depends on it. Average Nines begin to idealize the people they identify with, so that the more wonderful the qualities of the other, the better Nines feel about themselves. The more the other is idealized, the stronger the emotional bonds, and the more at one with themselves Nines feel. In fact, this action creates the opposite effect. Nines feel better about themselves because of their association with and connection with such wonderful, fantastic people. But they are devaluing themselves to do this. Or more precisely, they are forgetting themselves and neglecting their own development. They become like a mother who lives for her children or a wife for her husband. Of course, it is appropriate for a mother to accommodate herself to the needs of her children when they are infants and cannot do without her. But it becomes a problem if, as they get older, she continues the same pattern of self-effacement. The essential problem is that average Nines go too far in identifying with the other, losing too much of themselves in the process. Too readily do the wishes of others become their wishes, the thoughts of others their thoughts.

A reciprocal motion occurs: as they accommodate themselves, the idealize the other. If the other is a person, he or she can do no wrong; if it is a value or belief, it is never questioned. Thus, average Nines easily fall into conventional roles, defining themselves as persons whose place in life is to fulfill the functions--husband, wife, breadwinner, parent, citizen,--which have been assigned by someone else or by the culture in which they live. Getting married, having children, and holding down a job, among many other things, are expected of them--so they accommodate themselves. Their lifestyle, their religious and political beliefs, their expectations for themselves and their children are all defined by expectations of them which they have accepted.

This is why average Nines are so aptly thought of as the archetypal common man. They are the glue of society, which by its very willingness to be molded into whatever niches are needed is valuable to society, although at a cost to the individuals involved. Without a thought about developing themselves, average Nines embrace the values and ways of thinking and living of the culture in which they find themselves. Even if they are part of an “alternative culture,” they will dress, behave, and live their life in the way they feel is “normal” for that culture. (Nines in a spiritual community will be conscientious about observing the practices and protocols of that community.) Respectability and acceptance by their peers is therefore very important to them. Nines are not so much interested in keeping up with the Joneses as in being respectable members of their society, doing what is proper, and not doing what they imagine a person of their society would not do. In this sense, average Nines are also usually conservative, not necessarily politically conservative, but conservative in the sense of being committed to adhering to and preserving the traditional values of their peer group.

Because they are conservative, average Nines also tend to be past-oriented. The past is always more comfortable than the present or the future, since the past is a known quantity. It is less threatening because it has already been lived through. Moreover, average Nines can be nostalgic about the past, getting sentimental or idealizing it because doing so creates a source of good feelings for themselves and others. Further, happy memories from the past become a reliable source of positive feelings when conflicts and problems erupt in their world.

It is difficult to quibble with many of the particular values of average Nines. The problem is not so much with their values as with their not thinking them through. They simply adopt their way of life wholesale, naively accepting everything at face value.


The Passively Disengaged Person

Because their emotional stability depends upon maintaining their inner world of beliefs and idealizations, average Nines at this stage fear change. They want to do nothing which would upset them, and therefore want to maintain the status quo as much as possible. Rather than exert themselves in any deep, essential way, they would rather that everything simply work out on its own, without their intervention or response.

The irony is that average Nines must actually do something to do nothing: they must disengage themselves from anything in the environment which they perceive as a threat to their peace. Their healthy unselfconsciousness has become a certain unreflective disconnectedness, a lack of awareness of much of the world around them. They remain on friendly terms with reality, but not slavishly so. A sluggish complacency, intellectual laziness, and emotional indolence set in. ("Oh, well, we don't have to worry about that....") They become passive: life begins to happen to average Nines.

There is a distinctive vagueness about Nines at this stage because they maintain an uninvolved distance between themselves and their activities, an impassiveness, which does not allow anything to get to them or upset them. They are extremely easygoing, but they do not make real contact with the environment--or with those in it--becoming inappropriately matter-of-fact, even about things which would rightly call for a more personal response. They slip into an indifferent "I can take it or leave it" attitude, which prevents them from getting too excited about or involved in anything. They move from one thing to another, equally content and equally neutral about it. In short, average Nines are mellow and "laid-back" to a fault, the classic phlegmatic temperament personified. Being "on cloud nine" takes on new meaning.

Because they do not allow themselves to feel anything very deeply, their highs are not high and their lows are not low, as Jung noted. Everything is kept on an even keel. Average Nines are not even aware that their feelings are dampened since they have disconnected themselves from their feelings. At this stage, average Nines begin to be so vague and undefined that others cannot help but notice that something is missing in them, as if they were not all there. They are unfocused and spacey, a million miles away, as if grooving on some inner trip, or secret thought--or on nothing at all.

Nothing seems particularly important or urgent to average Nines, and they put no particular mental energy into anything unless they absolutely have to. Details do not interest them, they forget things, and do not concentrate on their work for more than a few minutes before mentally floating off. Their conversation rambles or they change the subject abruptly, revealing their lack of attention to what is being said. Average Nines are life's dreamers, enjoying the contemplation of their inner vision of whomever or whatever they have idealized. But, unfortunately, because their attention is inward on their contemplation, they become inattentive to the real world. If they are intelligent and well-educated, they may enjoy talking about philosophy, theology, the arts or sciences, although even so, much of their thinking is frankly little more than vague woolgathering, the purpose of which is to pass the time rather than actively engage themselves with anything requiring intense involvement or effort.

Increasingly, to convince themselves that they are doing something constructive with their time, average Nines engage in “busy work.” They involve themselves in all sorts of projects, errands, and activities which help maintain their world to some degree, but which have little real impact on their lives. Nines at Level 5 begin to have difficulty galvanizing themselves to do things that would substantially improve their lives. They feel an enormous inner resistance to leaving the comfort of their routines, as if they were trying to swim through molasses. Everything seems like too much trouble, so average Nines soon switch on “auto-pilot” and disappear into their routines again.

Their healthy simplicity has deteriorated into obliviousness, a permanent absent-mindedness, as if they were constantly daydreaming about nothing in particular, perceiving the world like someone who looks at a clock without seeing the time. Indeed, the way most people have trained themselves to ignore television commercials is how average Nines experience a lot of reality, disconnecting themselves from whatever they do not want to see or hear until inadvertence becomes habitual. They are like sleepwalkers, physically present but not aware of what is going on around them.

Their energy is spent maintaining their peace, ignoring anything which would excite or trouble them. Physical and emotional comfort is an important value, and average Nines do not push themselves too hard intellectually or physically lest they get either too stimulated or too exhausted. They pass the time in undemanding ways, puttering around the house, going on errands, collecting knickknacks, or mindlessly watching television. At this stage, they become accustomed to living in a state of semiawareness, like people who have been on tranquilizers so long that they forget what it is like to be off them.

It is important to understand, however, that psychological passivity is not the same thing as complete inactivity, although it is a precursor to it. Average Nines may be the heads of multimillion dollar corporations, leading vast enterprises while still maintaining an inner disconnectedness from their activities. Nines are able to be uninvolved because one of their defense mechanisms is compartmentalization (isolation), which allows their subjective experiences to be broken into unrelated segments so that they can move from one thing to another without engaging themselves. As a result, reality has little impact on them. They can be relatively busy while remaining emotionally and intellectual detached from their activities.

Because they disconnect from their experiences, average Nines do not make the cause-and-effect connections one would normally expect: cause and effect simply do not seem to go together for them. They do not think of the consequences of their actions, or of the fact that their omissions will also have consequences. They do not think through anything, unquestioningly feeling that everything will work out for the best.

Their lack of self-awareness is at the root of what is going on here. Inattention arises because, unless they are healthy, Nines never learn to focus on anything, including themselves. Just the opposite, their entire orientation is to be unselfconscious and receptive to the other, as we have seen. Because they are unable to sense themselves as discrete individuals, they get used to perceiving all of reality vaguely. When practical problems arise, especially with other people, their inability to attend to reality only makes things worse. Average Nines increasingly become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

The problem is that average Nines have made many accommodations to others to avoid conflicts and to be left in peace. But these accommodations are not without cost, and underneath the passivity, Nines are angry both at others for not seeing them and their needs (although they may be uncertain as to what they are or how to express them to others) and at themselves for their inability to assert their desires. They are convinced, however, that this anger would ruin their inner stability, their peace of mind, so they repress it, not realizing that it is the very energy that would enable them to assert themselves. To repress their anger and anxiety, they begin to disconnect from all of their feelings.

They also disconnect from interpersonal conflicts by compartmentalizing their relationships, splitting people into two major groups: those with whom they have identified and everyone else. The second group of people has little meaning to average Nines because they are essentially unreal, little more than an abstraction.
Average Nines can be surprisingly callous and indifferent about this group of people. They may as well not exist.

Nor do average Nines put much energy into their relationships even with those in the first group with whom they have identified. Nines idealize these people, and then shift their attention from the real people to their idealization of them. The result is that others sense a lack of attention to themselves or to their real needs. Ironically, others may also begin to lose interest in average Nines because there is so little energy or relating going on in the relationship. As Nines drift off, others drift away.


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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 :  6:09:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit lilalove's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well.. Obama is nothing like a 3w4 at level 5. That's out. Obama has a very firm grasp of who he is and what his value system is. By his early 20's Obama found his belief system and has remained steadfast to it. Just because Obama can hear others out does not make his own convictions less so.






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