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I'm just not sure why the extent of the projection points to Three though. IME, Threes generally adopt a definitive persona that doesn't leave that much room for projection. There's a bit more of a blank slate that's waiting to be written upon when it comes to Nine ime.
That's true, but 3s also tend to manifest what you want them to be - it's as if they see themselves through you. It's as if they shine a light on you.
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maybe as a culture and a people we would tend towards a projection of Threeishness...we certainly wouldn't project type Nine. Nine is in our shadow.
makes sense.
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According to them, he was Ninish when young because he was unhealthy and now calls on type Nine because he is so healthy - at levels three to five, no less.
This particular part of his biography points very strongly to 9 and not 3 IMO. I see the E as dynamic, and our type as a motion or vibration between DOI DOD and wings. I don't know anyone who "goes to" their DOI or DOD and stays there for any length of time. When a 9 disintegrates, they might get paranoid or belligerent like a 6, but they don't suddenly seem like a 6. At least I've never seen it. Even 3s I see more as trapped in the inertia of doing to the point of losing themselves more than going into a total collapse of energy when they're buzzing towards 9.
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Also gotta say that I have known several soc Threes with Four who are not unhealthy and the narcissism with them tends to be pretty palpable.
I was just watching Carter on Jon Stewart. He says "I" a hell of a lot more than Obama does. But one of the things that initially pushed me away from 3 - that a 3w4 friend doesn't seem anything like him - is something I'm starting to reconsider as I pick up some subtle similarities. There's also just something so crisp about him - I also don't know any 9s who vibe like him. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 12:02:18 AM
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First off, the tee-shirts mean nothing. There are 1000's of Bush tee-shirts. Many very un9ish. There are 6,240 designs available of GW tee-shirts at one on-line shop alone. Anti-Bush shirts have been a gold mine over the last 4 or 5 years. Now pro-Obama tee-shirts have taken there place on the market. The only thing that reflects is the mood of the nation towards our leader.
The EIDB has done a poor job at framing Obama as a 3w4, imho.
I'm going to give it a go. And let it be know marie's first choice for Obama was social 3w4. That counts for a lot to me. but then she felt something was off when she saw him in person. I'm going to attempt to explain why Obama can be a 3w4 and be so... un3ish at a core level.
"Threes want to make sure their lives are a success, however that is defined by their family, their culture and their social sphere. In some families, success means having a lot of money, a grand house, a new, expensive car, and other status symbols. Others value ideas, and success to them means distinguishing oneself in academic or scientific worlds. Success in other circles might mean becoming famous as an actor, or model, or writer, or as a public figure of some kind, perhaps as a politician. A religious family might encourage a child to become a minister, priest, or rabbi since these professions have status in their community and in the eyes of the family."
It starts with his mother. Obama had a very 3ish relationship with his mother.
What was Obama's mother's idea of success. What were her ideals?
I'll lay them out.
"She gave us a very broad understanding of the world," her daughter said. "She hated bigotry. She was very determined to be remembered for a life of service and thought that service was really the true measure of a life."
"She was a very, very big thinker," said Nancy Barry, "I think she was not at all personally ambitious, I think she cared about the core issues, and I think she was not afraid to speak truth to power."
Obama said, "I know that she was the kindest, most generous spirit I have ever known, and that what is best in me I owe to her."
"She felt that somehow, wandering through uncharted territory, we might stumble upon something that will, in an instant, seem to represent who we are at the core," said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half sister. "That was very much her philosophy of life - to not be limited by fear or narrow definitions, to not build walls around ourselves and to do our best to find kinship and beauty in unexpected places."
"Although his mother inculcated her son with needlepoint virtues, her ideas seemed impractical at the time: "In a land where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship...she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism."
"she worked mightily to instill in me the values that many Americans learn in Sunday school: honesty, empathy, discipline, delayed gratification, and hard work. She raged at poverty and injustice, and scorned those who were indifferent to both."
"But it was my mother’s fundamental faith...in the goodness of people and in the ultimate value of this brief life we’ve been given...that channeled those ambitions. It was in search of confirmation of her values that I studied political philosophy, looking for both a language and system of action that could help build community and make justice real. And it was in search of some practical application of those values that I accepted work after college as a community organizer for a group of churches in Chicago that were trying to cope with joblessness, drugs, and hopelessness in their midst."
Now.. what traits would please Obama's mother?
Not a typical type 3 with all the narcissistic toppings that go with it. That would be just the type of person Obama's mother would scorn.
Obama's mother liked authenticity, truth... moral fiber.. and thought service was really the true measure of a life".
Would Obama's mother be impressed with the fame and glory that come with winning the presidency? I don't think so at all. It would be far more important in regards to how he won. And Obama was very much about taking the high road as much as he could. It would be about what his win meant for others and how his win could help others.
That is what would make his mother proud.
Only in it being about others and helping them would Obama be successful in his mothers eyes. It would be about higher values and a larger world view. Everything his mother deemed as good, just and right. Only by it not being about him would it be true success.
And that's... that's how you get a 3w4 who does not vibe like a 3. Because being a 3 would not be "success" in his mothers eyes.
But... that still fails to explain all the type 9 in Obama, even before he read Lincoln. It is way too much 9 for a missing piece, I think.
Lets look at 9's. could a 9's 3 soul child be shaped by a mother who imparted her value system in him at a deep level? If Obama is a 9.. he has a big 1 wing. That 1 wing would be what makes him crisp.
Obama's mother filled him with a type 1 value system on many levels.
Either he is a 3 that soaked them in or a 9 that did the same. Both type are sponges when young.
then we also have to look at Obama's grandparents.. who he had a very 9ish relationship. But Obama's first 2 years were with his mother and father.
Where does his type 8 father fit? Shadow, maybe.
But, back to type 3.
The degree in which Obama would have abandoned self in order to please his mother would have led to an low average to unhealthy 3.
That does not fit. Marie and I both would have picked up on the disjunction at once when we saw him in person. As would have Don and Russ.
Obama clearly seems to have learned a value system from his mother and grandparents. Most children learn their value system from their care givers. That's a given. Then Obama seems to have done some introspection and absorbed a large of amount of philosophy and sociology from 21-23 and that appeared to have grounded him and put things in focus for him... maybe by reinforcing his belief system. Obama is a man who has a set of values and principle's. Those are rooted at his core and give him balance. They are 1ish and 9ish in nature. And they are real.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 02:16:47 AM
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So/sp is 'lofty', 'regal', 'airy', 'distant', 'ivory-tower'.
You think that applies to Bill O'reilly?
I'm saying that if you surgically separated the stacking, placing it aside and away from any E-type, that those adjectives convey the feel of so/sp.
O'Reilly's level of health places him lower on the ivory tower, but nonetheless living 'up and away' from human contact. My sense is of someone who would not even deign....
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 02:49:53 AM
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....And the 'blankness' of E9 shows the One-ish coloring of Obama's stacking more than it would in another type.
He doesn't have a One-wing. He lacks the 'wooden' quality of 9w1, and 9w1s are 'closet eccentrics' - a tonality that doesn't come off of Obama at all. 9w1's restricted/reserved/repression has them leading some kind of 'quiet double-life' in some small patch of their world.
9w8 is truer to the 'simple' singular tonality associated with E9. As R&H state, the One-wing is in some agreement to E9 as a base type, but I contend that this doubled emotional constriction produces more alien neurotic oddities as a 'shadow balance'.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 06:50:15 AM
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dfgray44, maybe you should go take a look at type 3 at level 5 for yourself. (I have thought so for a couple years) You seem clueless to a 1 wing.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 12:48:31 PM
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The 8 wing on 9
Don’t take themselves as seriously, has a sense of play/fun. (vibes as Sevenish). Less concern with looking dignified. More accessible, does “folksy” really well -- less erudite, and (yes) elitist appearing. More “straight talking” with less patience with nuance. More relaxed with their work ethic. (Takes naps to escape versus engaging in nonessential OCD busy work lol).
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 1:48:22 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
dfgray44, maybe you should go take a look at type 3 at level 5 for yourself. (I have thought so for a couple years) You seem clueless to a 1 wing.
The super real sx/so
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How about if we meet for coffee in Austin someday soon. You can interview me and do a full inspection, then report back to EIDB. 
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lilalove
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 2:33:03 PM
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Hm.
Maybe in 10 weeks or so. until then I'm going to be stressed.
Coffee sounds fine, I'll buy. Maybe a walk around UT campus. Lots of chicken watching to be had in those parts. You can buy me a pair of hand made earrings for $8 from a street vender and I'll light up and be very happy at your thoughtfulness.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 3:23:13 PM
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From R & H -
the traits of the nine and those of the One tend to reinforce each other. nines repress their emotions and to maintain peace, while One repress their emotions to maintain self-control. Thus this subtype tends to be cerebral and interested in ideas, symbols, and concepts. In this subtype we see people who are more emotionally controlled and cooler. Both type nine and one are attracted to questions of philosophy and spirituality and the nine with a one wing will have an idealistic quality to their personal beliefs.
Healthy persons of this subtype possess enormous integrity and are extremely principled. There great common sense helps them be wise in their judgments. They are alert to issues of fairness and objectivity.
They are wonderful at synthesizing different schools of thought and sorting out common threads between them. They are interested in sharing what they know and appreciate the ideas and discoveries of others. They tend to be friendly and reassuring but with a certain seriousness about their ideas.
I could go on... and even in some average health it fits Obama to a degree..
With all I know..even taking in his relationship with his mother... Obama sounds like a 9w1 to me.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 4:21:25 PM
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Hm.
Maybe in 10 weeks or so. until then I'm going to be stressed.
Coffee sounds fine, I'll buy. Maybe a walk around UT campus. Lots of chicken watching to be had in those parts. You can buy me a pair of hand made earrings for $8 from a street vender and I'll light up and be very happy at your thoughtfulness.
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I'm in. Let's synchronize our watches. 10 weeks from now.
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 4:33:39 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
From R & H -
the traits of the nine and those of the One tend to reinforce each other. nines repress their emotions and to maintain peace, while One repress their emotions to maintain self-control. Thus this subtype tends to be cerebral and interested in ideas, symbols, and concepts. In this subtype we see people who are more emotionally controlled and cooler. Both type nine and one are attracted to questions of philosophy and spirituality and the nine with a one wing will have an idealistic quality to their personal beliefs.
Healthy persons of this subtype possess enormous integrity and are extremely principled. There great common sense helps them be wise in their judgments. They are alert to issues of fairness and objectivity.
They are wonderful at synthesizing different schools of thought and sorting out common threads between them. They are interested in sharing what they know and appreciate the ideas and discoveries of others. They tend to be friendly and reassuring but with a certain seriousness about their ideas.
I could go on... and even in some average health it fits Obama to a degree..
With all I know..even taking in his relationship with his mother... Obama sounds like a 9w1 to me.
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I've been knowin' that description of 9w1 for about 20 years now. It's a good one but I assure I'm giving accurate further detail, from the inside-out.
Think about my comments this way: Which type would you describe as more nervous - E1 or E8?
9w1 has an edginess. They're dorkier than 9w8s. Compare Dennis Kucinich and Harry Reid (9w1s) with Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan (9w8s).
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Posted - 27 Jan 2009 : 5:58:30 PM
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They're dorkier than 9w8s.
That depends on the person. I think 9w8 men are often fat, drunk, or stoned. They are far looser.
9w1's tend to be vegetarian at some point. Many like to eat healthy, be fit, and dress in stream line style. 9w1's are the cats and 9w8's are the dogs. 9w1's can be prissy. I was with a prissy vegetarian 9w1 for 5 years.
I think Harry Reid is a mouse.
btw, I'm done form this board for awhile. Life is going to get in the way of any real play time on the net for a bit. So email at some point for that coffee.
I think obama is some weird 9w1/3w4 mix. Maybe because he was raised in two homes. Obama is a hybrid of both types. There is no other way to explain him.
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 01:26:21 AM
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First off, the tee-shirts mean nothing. There are 1000's of Bush tee-shirts. Many very un9ish. There are 6,240 designs available of GW tee-shirts at one on-line shop alone. Anti-Bush shirts have been a gold mine over the last 4 or 5 years. Now pro-Obama tee-shirts have taken there place on the market. The only thing that reflects is the mood of the nation towards our leader.
FTR I'm not trying to use the tshirts as proof of him being a 3 (("Of course what people project on him and who he is are not one in the same, but there's something very un9ish about the phenomenon. ") But I've seen a lot of candidate tshirts over many years, and none of them painted a politician in such cool terms. The only one I can think of is a joe cool-like Clinton image with the saxophone. It may certainly only be about what we project on him -but there's something that goes beyond that I can't quite put my finger on. It was just strange to see how much people are pinning their hopes and dreams on this guy - like he's the winner we all want to bet on, ride the coat tails, be seen with. There's just an imagy feel about the phenomenon. |
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 07:02:02 AM
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I guess I see what you are saying but don't really agree on the point.
I think for a large number in the black community and beyond what has happened this year is seen as amazing. Something has changed on a level that can be felt around the world. They put Obama's face to it.. but it goes much deeper. It's more than image.. it's a true break through.
Obama.
He is a man with grace.
That's rather rare.
And that grace makes us think of sleek agility. Sleek agility makes some think of super hero's, culture and secret agents. And black panthers.. but I'm pretty sure that one would not go over well.
that said.. I don't know of a 9 who moves their body like Obama. That's an issue worth noting.
9's tend to walk like they have duck feet.
I'm trying to think of some fit 9w1 black men. Maybe they walk with more grace than the duck footed white man 9's. 
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 6:35:22 PM
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A 7w8's "elegant" writing style.
"In fact, Updike is the perfect author to dip into. He showed, with the Rabbit quartet, that he could go big, but his talent could also be very small, in the best possible way. I always go back, first, to his essays, which strike me as the purest expression of his personality: easy, sociable, curious, smart, funny, generous, and almost pathologically cheerful. He was, for my money, one of the greatest belletrists of all time — a master of the short, casual, elegant, whimsical, roving piece about absolutely anything. (It’s a skill that sometimes gets undervalued in a culture that fetishizes giant novels, political crises, and the news cycle.) He could take the fruits of high culture — obscure philosophy, art history, sociological scraps — and translate it, for a wide audience, into little miracles of focused thought, all written in an elegant verbal music."
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dfgray44
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 09:02:07 AM
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 11:41:59 AM
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Obama's Fresh Start: Substance Over Showbiz
By Joe Klein
"It is not something we're going to be able to do overnight," Barack Obama said as he sent his Middle East envoy, George Mitchell, off to the region. Or was it when he was talking about closing Guantánamo? Or, perhaps, when he was discussing the impact of his stimulus package on the cratering American economy? Actually, the President used a version of the line multiple times during his first week in office — a week that, rather than offering the catharsis of a bright new American morning, summoned the groaning image of a supertanker attempting a U-turn in a tiny Arctic bay. The weather in Washington was cold and cloudy. The President seemed overcast as well, stowing his smile as he acknowledged one of the more depressing days in U.S. economic history — the day that major companies laid off more than 75,000 employees. I barely saw him smile all week.
This is quite a gamble Obama is taking. Just as he could have opted for the adrenaline rush of grand rhetoric in his Inaugural Address but didn't, he could have turned any of the profoundly serious actions of his first week into a whiz-bang photo opportunity. He could have planted solar panels and a wind turbine on the White House roof or blasted the Bush Administration as he signed an Executive Order banning torture or lacerated the bankers who got us into the economic mess. But that's not his style, apparently. He has reversed the tactical, win-the-news-cycle sensibility of recent presidencies. During his first week in office, at least, he opted for strategy and substance over show biz.
Which is not to say there weren't symbolic gestures. But the groups Obama lavished his attention on were an unlikely bunch: diplomats, Muslims and Republicans. The gestures involved a geographic humility that was a clean break from the presidential past: he went to the State Department, to the Capitol, and appeared on the Al Arabiya television network before granting an interview to any of the American channels. In each case, the gesture was made more for its long-term effect than its short-term bang.
The President visited the State Department on his second full day in office to send a message: diplomacy will now take precedence over military force in U.S. foreign policy — and his Administration's will be a diplomacy of constant, persistent attention to the world's problem areas rather than slapdash summitry. The occasion for Obama's visit was the announcement of two special envoys, Richard Holbrooke and George Mitchell, both of whom represent a silent reproach to the Bush Administration. Holbrooke will have the near impossible task of untangling the mess in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a problem exacerbated by recent American inattention to detail in the area. (The deterioration toward chaos in Pakistan, especially, surprised some of the President's closest aides.)
The Mitchell appointment will probably prove controversial among Israel's neoconservative American supporters — and, quite possibly, with Israel's government, especially if the Likud Party wins the Feb. 10 elections. To Likudniks, the very act of naming an envoy is suspicious: Mitchell is likely to do something the Bush Administration rarely did — ask for Israeli concessions, however minor. The Mitchell appointment and the Al Arabiya interview are of a piece: respect will be paid to Muslims by the Obama Administration. The long-term goal is to weaken the regional tyrants and extremists by depriving them of the Great Satan caricature — the first step toward a more plausible U.S. policy in the area, the threshold necessary for creative negotiating to begin.
Obama's almost fetishistic pursuit of Republicans — two hours spent with the crabby minority at the Capitol! — is another attempt to deprive his enemies of a Great Satan. The President will make some Republican-oriented concessions, dropping some of the cheesier spending from the stimulus plan. He will get some GOP votes in the senate for his stimulus package, but more important, he is establishing himself as a relentlessly reasonable and polite presence in town — and his comity is making it all the more difficult for buffoons like Rush Limbaugh to influence the tone of the Republican opposition.
Obama will win a great victory on the stimulus plan. But it will be his last for a while. By June, there will be grousing that Obama hasn't pulled us out of the recession yet. By December, there will be complaints that his diplomacy hasn't achieved breakthroughs. The President's best-case scenario is similar to Reagan's: that the bad news will begin to dissipate by the midterm elections of 2010, limiting the Democratic losses, and disappear entirely by 2012. Reagan was lucky in that way. Obama is facing more difficult problems and might not be so lucky. But at least, for the moment, he is paying his public the great compliment of taking his job seriously, focusing on the long-term substance rather than the bread and circuses that masqueraded as leadership in the recent past.
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lilalove
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 12:07:08 PM
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Obama signs fair pay legislation
"It is fitting that with the very first bill I sign … we are upholding one of this nation's first principles: that we are all created equal and each deserve a chance to pursue our own version of happiness," Obama said at a ceremony in the East Room of the White House.
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 1:49:13 PM
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Peeking in on the President:
"Mr. Obama has also brought a more relaxed sensibility to his public appearances. David Gergen, an adviser to both Republican and Democratic presidents, said Mr. Obama seemed to exude an “Aloha Zen,” a kind of comfortable calm that, Mr. Gergen said, reflects a man who “seems easy going, not so full of himself.”"
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ptypes
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 3:04:42 PM
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I think that Obama's early recognition that he was essentially and naturally a reconcilliator and mediator gave him the confidence that he would someday be able to be useful to his very polarized country and world.
President Obama, for instance, is attempting to radically change our relationship to the Muslim world:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/opinion/29cohen.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
"His tone represented a startling departure. He was subtle, respectful, self-critical and balanced where the Bush administration had been blunt, offensive, bombastic and one-sided in its embrace of an Israel-can-do-no-wrong policy.
"Speaking as his Middle East envoy, George Mitchell, began an eight-day visit to the region, Obama described the mission as one of listening “because all too often the United States starts by dictating.”
"Obama went further. Citing Muslim members of his own family and his experience of life in a Muslim country (Indonesia), he repositioned the national interest and his own role.
"He defined his task as convincing Muslims that “Americans are not your enemy” and persuading Americans that respect for a Muslim world is essential. His objective, he said, was to promote not only American interests but those of ordinary people — read Muslims — suffering from “poverty and a lack of opportunity.”
"That’s a significant ideological leap for an American leader, from the post-cold-war doctrine of supremacy to a new doctrine of inclusiveness dictated by globalization — from “the decider” to something close to “mediator-in-chief.” I applaud this shift because it is based in realism; a changed world is susceptible to American persuasion, not to American diktat."
http://www.google.com/search?q=enneagram+mediator&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 3:11:08 PM
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"Inertia is in fact a chronic problem for 9s, who often find it hard to get started on things. However, this inertia can also work to their advantage, because once started 9s can make slow-but-steady progress, becoming surprisingly relentless in their pursuits. The old Aesop's fable about the slow-and-steady tortoise who beats the faster rabbit aptly describes the work habits of healthy 9s."
http://www.9types.com/writeup/enneagram.html#9 |
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 3:17:10 PM
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Healthy: Deeply receptive, accepting, unselfconscious, emotionally stable and serene. Trusting of self and others, at ease with self and life, innocent and simple. Patient, unpretentious, good-natured, genuinely nice people. Optimistic, reassuring, supportive: have a healing and calming influence — harmonizing groups, bringing people together: a good mediator, synthesizer, diplomat and communicator.
At their best: Become self-possessed, feeling autonomous and fulfilled: have great equanimity and contentment because they are present to themselves. Paradoxically, at one with self, and thus able to form more profound relationships. Intensely alive, fully connected to self and others.
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Posted - 30 Jan 2009 : 11:53:30 AM
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Obama an effective mediator in Illinois Senate
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31759.html
"SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Facing the challenge of overhauling the death-penalty law in a state rocked by revelations of botched prosecutions, Illinois state Sen. John Cullerton made a tactical decision.
"The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee decided to separate one controversial proposal from the broader package, one that would require videotaping interrogations in murder cases. Police and prosecutors opposed it so much that keeping it in the broader package threatened to sink the whole effort.
"The state senator who later took on the task of pushing the proposal to videotape interrogations was Barack Obama.
"Obama worked with Democrats, Republicans and especially with police and prosecutors to fashion a bill that all of them could support. By the time it reached the Senate floor, everyone was on board. It passed in a unanimous vote, and is now Illinois law.
"How Obama did it reveals a lot about his political style, which is at the core of his appeal. It defines an approach to political problem solving that he vows can change how Washington does business." |
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2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
