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lilalove
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 6:07:19 PM
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He's right, he cannot "control" how others will interpret what he's saying. I perceive a lack of sincere warmth and feeling in how little he said and how he said it. This to me is more indicative of someone who either lacks feeling, or in the case of an E3 is putting their emotional reactions aside to go forward with what he believes his goals are.
You are entitled to your own interpretations.
In less than a week we will hear what Obama has to say about the matter other than his great concern over the loss of life. For now Obama is willing to take the assault on his character over a matter he does not possess jurisdiction.
It is a matter far bigger than his own ego and he understands that.
That's my interpretation.
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Dee
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 6:22:03 PM
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Watch this video clip of Obama and his family. I'm sorry but he's soo Type 9w1. He's "Boring". "He leaves his bag on my shoes!" says his daughter Sasha. As a family guy he lives his life very simply. He doesn't care for fashion, wears the same shoes and belt for many years, and so forth. Check out his posture.
Nice line to 3 when he's TURNED ON. Watch the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWkPGJmZtA
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lilalove
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 6:35:01 PM
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Originally posted by pork
lilalove: He's also said he is willing to take policy suggestions from any source, regardless of ideological affiliation, as long as they work
Libertarian Party says Obama plan based on failed economics
Thoughts?
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Well, I'm almost in full disagreement with the Libertarian Party in regards to their economic theory. We can take a look at Mexico to see how well their economic theory has played out. But I digress.
I imagine Obama will hear the Libertarian Party out.
What do you think?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1870268,00.html
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Pata_Pata
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 6:48:29 PM
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I don't type by a single speech.
Perhaps you should re-read my comment that requested you outline what in his speech supports E9 over E3. You've already typed him as an E9, so that should be an easy task to do.quote:
Originally posted by lilalove
Correct, Bush did zero to promote transparency and accountability with that spending. He is asleep at the wheel.
President-elect Barack Obama wants more transparency and strict guidelines for using the second $350 billion of the bailout fund Congress approved last fall to stabilize the nation's financial system.
Obama has asked his economic team to develop a set of principles to ensure more openness about how the money is spent and to focus on using it more to help homeowners and small businesses.
Promises, promises... What's the rush in getting these funds released, especially for a "laid-back" E9?
Obama Issues First Veto Threat
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Because of that urgency, McCaskill said, Obama told the group that he understood that the Senate may not have the time it needs to develop a proper oversight package. He asked his former colleagues not to let that slow down the release of the funds, promising to conduct the oversight they expect and operate with transparency.
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Originally posted by lilalove
In a related issue, the House could vote as soon as Thursday on legislation tightening the rules on the Wall Street bailout, known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.
While making the program more transparent, the legislation also would refocus where the next batch of money is spent -- away from government investments in troubled banks and toward reductions in home foreclosures and aid for cash-strapped towns and cities suffering during the economic recession.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-issues-first-veto-t_n_157585.html
President-elect Barack Obama made his first veto threat Tuesday in a closed-door meeting with Senate Democrats.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/13/obama-issues-veto-threat-senators-say/
Obama took about 15 questions, many of which were from Democrats skeptical of TARP, senators in the meeting said. Obama repeatedly promised to make the process more transparent, they said.
Republicans and Democrats have said they were upset by how the Treasury Department spent the first allotment of $350 billion.
Those voicing concerns said they don't feel like there was enough accounting for where the money went. Some Democrats also said homeowners facing foreclosure aren't getting enough help.
Promises... hmmmm, from your "educating" me on Obama's campaign message, I gather the tendency for politicians to make "promises" was not part of the change we could believe in?
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lilalove
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 6:52:49 PM
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Libertarian Party says Obama plan based on failed economics
Thoughts?
There is a problem with the history.
"It didn't work for President Hoover in the early 1930s. It didn't work for President Roosevelt in the Great Depression."
President Herbert Hoover, a Republican and former Commerce secretary, believed the government should monitor the economy and encourage counter-cyclical spending to ease downturns, but not directly intervene.As the jobless population grew, he resisted calls from Congress, governors, and mayors to combat unemployment by financing public service jobs. He also believed that relieving the suffering of the unemployed was solely up to local governments and private charities.
By 1932 the unemployment rate had soared past 20 percent. Thousands of banks and businesses had failed. Millions were homeless. Men (and women) returned home from fruitless job hunts to find their dwellings padlocked and their possessions and families turned into the street. Many drifted from town to town looking for non-existent jobs. Many more lived at the edges of cities in makeshift shantytowns their residents derisively called Hoovervilles. People foraged in dumps and garbage cans for food.
The presidential campaign of 1932 was run against the backdrop of the Depression. Franklin Delano Roosevelt won the Democratic nomination and campaigned on a platform of attention to “the forgotten man at the bottom of the economic pyramid.” Hoover continued to insist it was not the government’s job to address the growing social crisis.
Roosevelt faced a banking crisis and unemployment that had reached 24.9 percent. Thirteen to 15 million workers had no jobs. Banks regained their equilibrium after Roosevelt persuaded Congress to declare a nationwide bank holiday. He offered and Congress passed a series of emergency measures that came to characterize his promise of a “new deal for the American people.” The legislative tally of the new administration’s first hundred days reformed banking and the stock market; insured private bank deposits; protected home mortgages; sought to stabilize industrial and agricultural production; created a program to build large public works and another to build hydroelectric dams to bring power to the rural South; brought federal relief to millions, and sent thousands of young men into the national parks and forests to plant trees and control erosion.
The parks and forests program, called the Civilian Conservation Corps, was the first so-called work relief program that provided federally funded jobs. Roosevelt later created a large-scale temporary jobs program during the winter of 1933–34. The Civil Works Administration employed more than four million men and women at jobs from building and repairing roads and bridges, parks, playgrounds and public buildings to creating art. Unemployment, however, persisted at high levels. That led the administration to create a permanent jobs program, the Works Progress Administration. The W.P.A. began in 1935 and would last until 1943, employing 8.5 million people and spending $11 billion as it transformed the national infrastructure, made clothing for the poor, and created landmark programs in art, music, theater and writing.
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Pata_Pata
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 7:03:07 PM
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Obama names special watchdog for federal spending:quote:
President-elect Barack Obama said Wednesday that reforming massive government entitlement programs — such as Social Security and Medicare — would be "a central part" of his effort to control federal spending
War and Profits Over People quote:
If you want a glimpse of the fundamental moral obscenity that underlies our bold new era of hope and change, look no further than Barack Obama's promise this week to "overhaul" Social Security and Medicare. This effort to cut back on support for the sick, the old, the weak, the unfortunate and the abandoned will be a "central part" of the new administration's economic program, a linchpin of its struggle to curb federal spending, Obama declared.
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The Times goes on to tell us helpfully that there is a threat that these "entitlement programs" might "grow so large as to be unsustainable in the long run." This is of course the same argument that George W. Bush made after the 2004 election, when he sought to sell off Social Security to those same "financial markets" that Obama is now trying so assiduously to soothe. No doubt, we will soon see the old scare stories that filled the media then trotted out once again, this time in "progressive" garb. But the truth remains the same: the programs are essentially sound and can be maintained with only relatively small adjustments for many decades, as far as one can reasonably project into the future.
Yet it is here, on "entitlements," that Obama wants to make a "tough stand" on government spending. It will be a "central part" of his entire economic program. Getting "entitlements" under control will be one of the first major campaigns of his administration...
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At the same time, he promises to expand – to expand – the multitrillion-dollar war machine that has literally bled the nation dry. He wants to expand a military-industrial-security complex that already devours more money and resources than every other military force on earth combined. He wants more troops, more weapons, an ever-increasing "global strike capability," an escalation of the endless, pointless "War on Terror" in Afghanistan and Pakistan (for starters). He has never said a single word about "curbing government spending" on this vast conglomerate of death and destruction. He has not said a single word about rolling back even a few of American military outposts that in their several hundreds now cover the entire globe. At every point, it seems, government spending on the war machine – including the tens of billions of dollars spent in secret each year on the various tentacles of the "national security" apparatus – will be increased under the Obama administration.
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The president-elect has made his fundamental priorities clear – for anyone who wants to see them. The war machine and the financial markets will continue to be gorged and comforted in their wonted manner. Programs to help ordinary citizens, programs to enhance the quality of life for individuals and the well-being of society, will be the first – perhaps the only – areas to feel the budget axe. Whatever you may think of the efficacy of such programs, this ordering of priorities -- war and profits over people -- bespeaks the same depraved sensibility that has prevailed for generations in Washington. It is the same old rancid swill in a stylish new container.
Bipartisanship.... is looking like the same 'ole empty promises. But again, I'm sure Bush and his financial elite cronies and the war mongers are loving this new meme of "change = bipartisanship"!
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lilalove
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 7:14:23 PM
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Promises... hmmmm, from your "educating" me on Obama's campaign message, I gather the tendency for politicians to make "promises" was not part of the change we could believe in?
Sure, if he keeps them. Obama does not promises lightly.
I have no reason to believe Obama will not ensure far better oversight than Bush did over the $350 spent on Obama's watch.
The legislation for the tighter oversight has already been written and is about to be voted on.
As for Obama's veto threat.. I have no problem with it. Bush never once vetoed a single bill when the republican party held the monopoly of power for the first 6 years. It's good to know that Obama will not be cowed by a democratically run congress. I think it's a good sign, over all. It lets me know that if Obama is a 9 he is not a 9 at level 4. That's great news.
I'm rooting for him being a 3w4 now that I've thought about it.
That does not mean I think he is one.
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Stormy
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Dee
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 7:43:21 PM
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I 2nd that, Stormy.
WTF?
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lilalove
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 7:57:20 PM
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Well, he is in high health, correct?
If he drops in health level a little I would rather him be a level 4 3w4 then a level 4 9w1.
Type 3
Level 4: Highly concerned with their performance, doing their job well, constantly driving self to achieve goals as if self-worth depends on it. Terrified of failure. Compare self with others in search for status and success. Become careerists, social climbers, invested in being the "best."
Type 9
Level 4: Fear conflicts, so become self-effacing and accommodating, idealizing others and "going along" with their wishes, saying "yes" to things they do not really want to do. Fall into conventional roles and expectations. Use philosophies and stock sayings to deflect others.
3 at level 4 sounds better to me for the job we need him for.
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naturechild
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 7:58:40 PM
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I 2nd that, Stormy.
WTF?
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
No changing of minds allowed  Maybe Lila is rooting for 3w4 because she's rooting for manifestation of the healthiest expression of psychological health?
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Stormy
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 8:23:14 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Well, he is in high health, correct?
If he drops in health level a little I would rather him be a level 4 3w4 then a level 4 9w1.
Type 3
Level 4: Highly concerned with their performance, doing their job well, constantly driving self to achieve goals as if self-worth depends on it. Terrified of failure. Compare self with others in search for status and success. Become careerists, social climbers, invested in being the "best."
Type 9
Level 4: Fear conflicts, so become self-effacing and accommodating, idealizing others and "going along" with their wishes, saying "yes" to things they do not really want to do. Fall into conventional roles and expectations. Use philosophies and stock sayings to deflect others.
3 at level 4 sounds better to me for the job we need him for.
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I get the point but alas he's a 9 and so there is always what it could have been if it were like this or that and it should have been a good day but it's not.. doesn't change anything.
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.ron4
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 11:02:19 PM
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This is not a thread, it's a sticky and it's about four different people
not just about Obama.
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 11:55:29 PM
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I've learned a lot by reading what you say about Obama as a Type 3. Before reading it, I initially thought he was a Type 9 with an 8 wing which explained to me his drive and competitiveness. What I don't see in Obama as a Type 3, however, is his need for appearances. It "feels" to me that his drive for success is based more on wanting something bigger than himself than the ego-driven reasons that Type 3 would ordinarily have. For example, Bill Clinton seems to me much more typical of a Type 3/
Also, I'm interested to know why you see that he has a 4 wing. You don't mention the reasons in your descriptions.
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Posted - 15 Jan 2009 : 08:41:37 AM
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not so much about type but this is an interesting article about Biden's plans, and gives some insight to relationships between people in the future administration...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/us/politics/15biden.html?hp
It's something I hadn't really thought about much - that by choosing Biden, Obama was ensuring that his VP wasn't going to have his priorities skewed by his future ambitions. |
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ptypes
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Posted - 15 Jan 2009 : 11:27:39 AM
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His most prominent campaign message was CHANGE and that's what people were desperately HOPING for... so far, there appears to be little change from Bush and/or what McCain would have done. That is the source of discontentment from those who thought his campaign message of CHANGE was sincere.
You must not have been paying attention.
Obama's campaign promise of "change" was to change Washington by, first and foremost, ending partisan bickering with the renewal of bipartisanship.
Right, Obama's promise was to change the way things are done in Washington.
Anyone see that apprearance by Obama, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Biden, where they are talking about Graham's and Biden's joint tour of Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan. Most unusual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Sn290uDjw
"During the presidential campaign last year, Republican South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham was a frequent tormentor of Democrat Barack Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden.
"Graham, a close friend of Republican candidate John McCain, would ridicule Biden as “Joe the Biden” and lampooned his loquacious ways — “He’s the sound-bite machine that keeps on giving,” Graham would say. “Keep it up, Joe!”
"And Graham frequently had this to say about Obama himself: “You’ve seen his book, ‘The Audacity of Hope?’ He’s got a sequel coming out: ‘The Times I Stood Up To The Left.’ It’s a short read.”
"So it is worth noting that not only did Graham travel this past week with Biden on a trip to Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq, but he joined Biden in briefing Obama about their journey on Wednesday.
"As reporters listened, Graham and Biden spoke at length. Obama, seated between them, waited patiently for his turn.
"After his role as McCain’s attack dog during the campaign, Graham appeared ready to work with Obama.
“The campaign is over; I am disappointed in the outcome, but like every American, I’m excited about what awaits our country in the future,” Graham said."
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/01/14/lindsey-graham-joins-photo-op-with-obama-biden/
Graham actually spoke very positively about Obama and Obama's foreign policy approach.
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JoL
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Posted - 15 Jan 2009 : 3:54:11 PM
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No change? Obama is not even in office yet.
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 03:27:08 AM
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We have moved some of the political discussion and personal disagreements to Chat.
Please keep this thread focused on the types of the candidates. Thanks.
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ptypes
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 11:05:57 AM
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Deras puts "calmness" as the essential trait ("factor") for Type 9.
"The Enneagram is a nine factor personality system that is sort of a historical mutt, many different influences. The nine factors are - orderliness, helpfulness, image focus, hypersensitivity, detachment, caution, adventurousness, strength, and calmness."
http://www.google.com/search?q=enneagram+calm+OR+calmness+%22type+nine%22+OR+%22type+9%22&hl=en
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ptypes
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http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21386&whichpage=7
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I'm saying that his openness in discussing his bi-racial parentage (or any issues of identity), in and of itself, is indicative of type and temperament. I would argue that a 3's grapplings in this area would not be so prominent and voluminously self-telegraphed.
Yeah, I have to agree that the 9w1 seems to have some kind of indecisiveness about identity (Are Oceanlife and Stormy committed to types yet?) and that the 3w4 manages his image much more.
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Again, it's the 'innocence'/naivete of E9 that compels him to be revealing and show vulnerability as ideals. He's reassuring us that he's a "thoughtful young man" who's not going to make any sudden moves. In other words, he's compelled to soothe us by extending 'peace' into the social environment.
My impression of his books is that he engages in a kind of "Introspection Lite" which is common of E9s.
Nah, he's not naive. He's a realist. 9w1s are honest, forthright, trustworthy people. They don't have a need to hide behind a false self like the 3w4 does.
Obama has had to juice up his personality a little for politics out of fear of coming off as too common and boring.
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http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21386&whichpage=7
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Originally posted by ptypes
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I'm saying that his openness in discussing his bi-racial parentage (or any issues of identity), in and of itself, is indicative of type and temperament. I would argue that a 3's grapplings in this area would not be so prominent and voluminously self-telegraphed.
Yeah, I have to agree that the 9w1 seems to have some kind of indecisiveness about identity (Are Oceanlife and Stormy committed to types yet?) and that the 3w4 manages his image much more.
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Again, it's the 'innocence'/naivete of E9 that compels him to be
Obama has had to juice up his personality a little for politics out of fear of coming off as too common and boring.
Curious, Are you saying 9s in politics would/could juice up their
personality out of fear of coming off too common and boring ???
Could you site this from the "E" for example.
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Dee
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 4:10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
Watch this video clip of Obama and his family. I'm sorry but he's soo Type 9w1. He's "Boring". "He leaves his bag on my shoes!" says his daughter Sasha. As a family guy he lives his life very simply. He doesn't care for fashion, wears the same shoes and belt for many years, and so forth. Check out his posture.
Nice line to 3 when he's TURNED ON. Watch the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLWkPGJmZtA
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Brilliant again.
That characterization is very well founded, is going to stick, and will become more widely apparent.
Obama says he's 'sufficiently boring'
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/obama_says_hes_sufficiently_bo.html
Third Long-Form Obama Ad Released: Boring, and That's the Point
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9999_third_long_form_ad_obama.html
Obama Hopes to Calm Americans With Series of Boring Speeches
http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=6977
It's always a good day when someone understands a thing or two! 
He's classic 9 and so the links you have provided further explain this. Thank you for that!
I recommend they be read by pata_pata and all those who might be wise to take a brief moment and understand that to reflect is perhaps the doorway to wisdom.
Let's see..
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2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
