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.ron4
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 Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:03:29 PM
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"Oh I see"
Do you ?
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Stormy
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:05:13 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
their thinking is 9s live through the other
so they can never really be wrong and can't
admit to being wrong if that's what you wanted.
also 9s are past oriented not future oriented
and are nostalgic about the past, unlike 5s.
9s find comfort in the past so says 9s that
think they are 5s.
9s are upset about the future because it is unknown.
Respectability is more important to 9s than 3s.
9s are conservatives unlike 3s who are into evolving .
Ron
In fact 9's are very new age thinkers and when in higher health have a very evolved world view that is not bound by ego limitations.
They have true self confidence and that makes a person humble. Their humility is what makes them such good mediators.
Catholic texts view humility as annexed to the cardinal virtue of temperance.
If Obama has one virtue that is noticed by all it is his temperance.
Never too high... never too low. Steady and calm defines his essence. It's not package.. it has been his nature always. It is not 3 at level 5 detachment. Not even close. The IE has a problem.
You, ron, you are about at their level. I'm sure they would agree with you. 9's never admit mistakes.
Never mind I have known 9's that admit mistakes they did not even make just to stop the fight for peace sake. They want to move past the conflict. 9's at level 4 do it all the time.
The super real sx/so
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Edited by - lilalove on 04 Feb 2009 3:08:59 PM |
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.ron4
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:05:56 PM
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If I were to pick someone to state the difference,
I would pick you Stormy.
Ron
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:09:57 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
If I were to pick someone to state the difference,
I would pick you Stormy.
Ron
I would too.
I don't have an idea offhand.
What do you think is the difference. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:18:36 PM
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Why are a 9 selfdeceptive?
For comfort. Peace at any price. They numb out reality that upsets their peace of mind.
Why are a 3 selfdeceptive?
Fear of failure. They cover up behaver that would hurt their successful image and compartmentalize it and detach from it.
The super real sx/so
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Edited by - lilalove on 04 Feb 2009 3:19:32 PM |
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:21:41 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Why are a 9 selfdeceptive?
For comfort. Peace at any price. They numb out reality that upsets their peace of mind.
Why are a 3 selfdeceptive?
Fear of failure. They cover up behaver that would hurt their successful image and compartmentalize it.
9s typical self-deception is "I'm okay the way I am."
3s typical self-deception is that they are more than they really are. |
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marie
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:23:45 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Never mind I have known 9's that admit mistakes they did not even make just to stop the fight for peace sake. They want to move past the conflict. 9's at level 4 do it all the time.
This seems so true to me.
I think Obama has looked more Ninish since the inauguration.The stress has pushed him to level Four. I think he is a remarkably sincere person (especially for a politician) who holds himself to very high ideals (big One wing.) These ideals cannot be met, so he has to compromise - to be pragmatic to meet his ideals. It's going to be a big dilemma for him.
We don't have to pay attention to the 24 hour news cycle though....he'll regain his stride. He has a destiny. :)
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Stormy
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:24:17 PM
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9s typical self-deception is "I'm okay the way I am."
For comfort. Peace at any price. They numb out reality that upsets their peace of mind.
3s typical self-deception is that they are more than they really are.
They cover up behaver that would hurt their successful image and compartmentalize it and detach from it.
The super real sx/so
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:31:07 PM
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Originally posted by marie
quote:
Originally posted by lilalove
Never mind I have known 9's that admit mistakes they did not even make just to stop the fight for peace sake. They want to move past the conflict. 9's at level 4 do it all the time.
This seems so true to me.
I think Obama has looked more Ninish since the inauguration.The stress has pushed him to level Four. I think he is a remarkably sincere person (especially for a politician) who holds himself to very high ideals (big One wing.) These ideals cannot be met, so he has to compromise - to be pragmatic to meet his ideals. It's going to be a big dilemma for him.
We don't have to pay attention to the 24 hour news cycle though....he'll regain his stride. He has a destiny. :)
I agree.
He is looking very 9 at level 4. Far, far more than 3 at any level.
He has been coasting.. and a little fuzzy. That has alarmed the masses a bit. They know that energy all too well.
But, Obama has sharp people around him and he knows how to snap out of it.
Yesterday and today he has been more awake.
The super real sx/so
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Edited by - lilalove on 04 Feb 2009 3:44:36 PM |
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:35:18 PM
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Obama is a plodder.
Just remembered that the guy who came up with the "keep on truckin" comic image, Robert Crumb, is imo a 9w1.
http://www.zubeworld.com/crumbmuseum/truckin.html
Proverbs 21:5 Steady plodding brings prosperity; hasty speculation brings poverty.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:54:19 PM
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Originally posted by Stormy
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Originally posted by .ron4
Ron, your boxers are way too brief.
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They haven't changed, then?
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No, they may be getting smaller, still. Using Ron's criteria for E9, we might assume that he, himself, is a 9. He clings to the past (the old R&H books) like it's going out of style, and seems stubbornly resistant to change.
What Ron misses is that the positive-outlook triad is hope-oriented. And hope = future.
If I may engage in a Ron-esque over-simplification....
2s put energy into new relationships in hope of creating fantastic new co-dependencies
7s have colorful visions of new personal plans that will lead to intense self-gratification
9s dream of ideal futures where "we all get along" and the inter-connectivity of Everything and Everyone is woven into an expansive luminous white sail, flapping in a forward wind, and sewn from the disparate threads of humanity's glorious diversity to form a Cosmic Canopy that shelters us all and binds our souls together with the promise of an ever-advancing civilization, living in peace. 
[Stormy]
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.ron4
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:56:37 PM
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"Keep on truckin"
types
1s- keep on improvin
2s- keep on lovin
3s- keep on impressin
4s- keep on hidin
5s- keep on lookin
6s- keep on searchin
7s- keep on keepin on
8s- keep on gainin
9s- keep on floatin
"keep on truckin"= keep on living
Ron
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:00:42 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
"Keep on truckin"
types
1s- keep on improvin
2s- keep on lovin
3s- keep on impressin
4s- keep on hidin
5s- keep on lookin
6s- keep on searchin
7s- keep on keepin on
8s- keep on gainin
9s- keep on floatin
"keep on truckin"= keep on living
Ron
So, you know all about that. Why didn't you differentiate the 9 and the 3 on "self-deception"? |
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.ron4
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:02:40 PM
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From R&H
P types.
You might also keep in mind that while some people have an aptitude
for psychological insight, others "simply" do not, If you find that
your psychological aptitude is undeveloped, do not be discouraged.
Ron
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Stormy
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:16:14 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
From R&H
P types.
You might also keep in mind that while some people have an aptitude
for psychological insight, others "simply" do not, If you find that
your psychological aptitude is undeveloped, do not be discouraged.
Ron
Looks like we've scored some points, according to your unconscious. |
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.ron4
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:19:33 PM
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On self-deception, it's more about level or
development .
The 3 is self-deceptive about how great he is and or the image cast.
The healthy 3 has moved past self-deception. Cool, collected, inspiring.
The 9 is self-deceptive about reality in order to maintain inner peace.
The healthy 9 is truly peaceful. Comforting, tranquil, unself-conscious.
Ron
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:34:09 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
The 9 is self-deceptive about reality in order to maintain inner peace.
Ron
"9s dream of ideal futures where "we all get along" and the inter-connectivity of Everything and Everyone is woven into an expansive luminous white sail, flapping in a forward wind, and sewn from the disparate threads of humanity's glorious diversity to form a Cosmic Canopy that shelters us all and binds our souls together with the promise of an ever-advancing civilization, living in peace" - dfgray44. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:41:32 PM
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The 3 is self-deceptive about how great he is and or the image cast.
The healthy 3 has moved past self-deception. Cool, collected, inspiring.
A healthy 3 that has moved past self-deception is - Self-accepting, inner-directed, and authentic, everything they seem to be. Modest and charitable, self-deprecatory humor and a fullness of heart emerge.
That fits Obama and that would put him at level 1.
What are the odds?
That above could be found in a 9 between levels 2-4.
That is a little more easy to imagine.
A 9 between levels 2-4 with a line to higher health 3.
That fits. The 3 seems to be the lights... and they are not always on.
Obama fades... goes a little soft.. fuzzy... slacks
Obama seems to need a jolt from time to time. I think his wife has been slapping him awake for years behind close doors. Thank god.
The super real sx/so
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Edited by - lilalove on 04 Feb 2009 4:53:23 PM |
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Stormy
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ptypes
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:52:46 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
A 9 between levels 2-4 with a line to higher health 3.
That fits. The 3 seems to be the lights... and they are not always on.
Obama fades... goes a little soft.. fuzzy...
Obama seems to need a jolt from time to time. I think his wife has been slapping him awake for years behind close doors.
She just reminds him whenever it seems necessary: "This better be good, buddy." |
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marie
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:56:30 PM
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And one more thing. The EI notes that Obama has emerged as "pragmatic" and "promise breaking" - so they think that points to type Three. (Kind of a nasty slam against Threes actually.)
I see Obama as trying to keep his promises in a world that is not conducive to ideals, so he sees that he will have to compromise in order to reach the next best thing, while recognizing and acknowledging that he will make mistakes along the way. This is a sign of relative health imo. Anyone who wants more from him ought to grow up.
The president who was most intent on not breaking his promises was Jimmy Carter. The very type the EI thinks that Obama is. (I'm so confused!) But just look where that got Carter. And I don't think that anyone believes that Carter's unwillingness to compromise was a good thing...not at all.
Obama just doesn't understand how ruthless his enemy is - and many of the Repubs are his enemy...not the loyal opposition as he would have it. He has a hard time recognizing enemies. Kind of naive that way. But he has really smart people behind him and with him...and he listens. (Rahm understand the nature of the enemy and so does Hillary.)
As another Nine once said "The first days are the hardest days..."
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lilalove
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 4:56:37 PM
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I think his wife has no problem calling him on his slacking. She does it in front of the media even.
And as marie has pointed out... Obama has picked a close team full of people who will help keep him awake. Like he knows himself and understands he needs wake-up calls.
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Edited by - lilalove on 04 Feb 2009 5:34:00 PM |
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2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
