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dboon
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:12:39 PM
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Originally posted by ~lee~
Interesting that Obama stumbled over the oath.
I liked the speech, mostly.
I heard that Justice Roberts is the one who actually stumbled, choosing to recite it sans notes. Confusion insued. |
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marie
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:18:30 PM
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He asked us to grow up.
I appreciated that. Maturity is a good thing....mostly.
Obama is truly decent...we haven't had that for a long, long time. There's no need to idealize or idolize simple decency...but we do (and we must) because it's such a contrast.
I do feel sorry for Bush. He should have been a PE teacher for the local Middle School. (Even there, he probably would have made fun of the fat kids.)
Big exhale.
There's room for hope now. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:29:11 PM
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by ~lee~
Interesting that Obama stumbled over the oath.
I liked the speech, mostly.
Interesting that you focused on that. (He's not Superman after all.)
MSNBC blamed it on John Roberts.
What is the Truth?
I'm stuck on FOX because I'm having cable issues. 
They made note of Obama's seeming stumble and felt the need to replay it a few times.. but have not reported it was John Roberts fault.
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:37:26 PM
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Originally posted by marie
He asked us to grow up.
I appreciated that. Maturity is a good thing....mostly.
Obama is truly decent...we haven't had that for a long, long time. There's no need to idealize or idolize simple decency...but we do (and we must) because it's such a contrast.
Big exhale.
There's room for hope now.
After the last 8 years and neocon rule... insight and decency seems phenomenal. Even the democrats.. Clinton had some demons and Jimmy could not work with a team.
insight and decency have been a long time coming.
Obama talked about duty too. 
I'm a self loathing 6 and often fail to see the nobility that can be found in duty. Obama shed some light on it for me.
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~lee~
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:39:53 PM
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I heard a lot of sixish themes in the talk.
It's a fitting time for them.
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Stormy
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~lee~
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 1:55:46 PM
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Crooner
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:03:43 PM
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I'm sure that if I had heard the word "duty"
I would have picked up on the 6ishness.
What I specifically heard was "work" (3ish)
over "leisure" (9ish). Plus a lot of emphasis
on "doing" (3ish).
Crooner
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:08:20 PM
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Originally posted by ~lee~
Duty, the collective good, courage, taking responsibility for the impact of choices now for the future, equality for all, face reality--it's not rosy, let go of self-centeredness (greed)...the basic tone felt sixish to me.
I agree... it was aimed for the type 6 masses. It also wove a more inclusive and broad-minded philosophy all through out the speech. Obama is teaching 6's how to go to high 9. Obama is also teaching 3's how to go to high 6.. by talking about putting humanity before sole self interest.
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:22:21 PM
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Originally posted by Crooner
I'm sure that if I had heard the word "duty"
I would have picked up on the 6ishness.
What I specifically heard was "work" (3ish)
over "leisure" (9ish). Plus a lot of emphasis
on "doing" (3ish).
Crooner
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Crooner, if Obama is a 9w1 he is a very high health 9w1. He would not be talking about "leisure".
the speech was full of high health 9, 6, and 3 themes.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1872715-3,00.html
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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and nonbelievers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace. (E6 going to E9)
To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West — know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.
As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment — a moment that will define a generation — it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.
For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.
Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends — hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism — these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility — a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
It was a speech crafted for type 6's. Obama has worked with the people for the people. He understands the people. missing peace.. maybe line to high 6.. either way.. it was a type 6 speech.
Type Six level 3.
Level 3: Dedicated to individuals and movements in which they deeply believe. Community builders: responsible, reliable, trustworthy. Hard-working and persevering, sacrificing for others, they create stability and security in their world, bringing a cooperative spirit.
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Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 2:35:17 PM |
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Crooner
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:35:23 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
It was a speech crafted for 6's.
Type Six level 3.
Level 3: Dedicated to individuals and movements in which they deeply believe. Community builders: responsible, reliable, trustworthy. Hard-working and persevering, sacrificing for others, they create stability and security in their world, bringing a cooperative spirit.
It didn't seem to me like the President was under stress.
Perhaps his fine speech represented integration (3 --> 6)
versus disintegration (9 --> 6).
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.ron4
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:48:09 PM
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From R&H
When they move to six, 3s no longer worry about impressing
others with their prestige, success, or status, nor do they
aggrandize themselves at the expense of others. they use
their talents to affirm the value of others rather than them
selves. last, by recognizing the existence of values beyond
themselves, integrating 3s develop their consciences. They
recognize limits on their behavior and limits on what they
can expect from themselves,from others, and from life.
This is what you heard in his speech about 6s and all others
including himself. That's a healthy 3/4.
Ron
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 2:57:44 PM
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It didn't seem to me like the President was under stress.
Perhaps his fine speech represented integration (3 --> 6)
versus disintegration (9 --> 6).
Or, it's the type 9 missing piece.. which is high health 6.
But I'm not typing Obama on this speech.
I got the feeling the speech was not about Obama, Crooner.
It was a speech about the people. It seems to me that Obama, our philosopher king (so to speak), understands the people (the majority being 6's) and also understood.. somehow.. that weaving in high health type 9 ideology would help lead them away from the traps of fear and onto the path of higher health comprehensive vision.
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Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 3:00:06 PM |
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.ron4
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 3:04:30 PM
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Obama just spoke after the luncheon and said again
as he has before that this is not about him, it's
about the American people. This is something that
a transitioning 3 would say. Also he finished by
saying it's going to take a lot of work and he is
looking forward to getting to work for years to come.
This also is something a healthy 3 would say.
Ron
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 3:18:54 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
Obama just spoke after the luncheon and said again
as he has before that this is not about him, it's
about the American people. This is something that
a transitioning 3 would say. Also he finished by
saying it's going to take a lot of work and he is
looking forward to getting to work for years to come.
This also is something a healthy 3 would say.
Ron
It's also something a 9w1 would say. Mr. Lincoln wanted to drive idleness out of existence!
"Work, work, work, is the main thing," once wrote Mr. Lincoln in a letter.11 Relatively early in his political career, Mr. Lincoln had declared: "In the early days of the world, the Almighty said to the first of our race "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread"; and since then, if we except the light and the air of heaven, no good thing has been, or can be enjoyed by us, without having first cost labour. And, inasmuch [as] most good things are produced by labour, it follows that [all] such things of right belong to those whose labour has produced them. But it has so happened in all ages of the world, that some have laboured, and others have, without labour, enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To [secure] to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government. But then the question arises, how can a government best, effect this? In our own country, in it's present condition, will the protective principle advance or retard this object? Upon this subject, the habits of our whole species fall into three great classes — useful labour, useless labour and idleness. Of these the first only is meritorious; and to it all the products of labour rightfully belong; but the two latter, while they exist, are heavy pensioners upon the first, robbing it of a large portion of its just rights. The only remedy for this is to, as far as possible drive useless labour and idleness out of existence. And, first, as to useless labour. Before making war upon this, we must learn to distinguish it from the useful. It appears to me, then, that all labour done directly and incidentally in carrying articles to their place of consumption, which could have been produced in sufficient abundance, with as little labour, at the place of consumption, as at the place they were carried from, is useless labour."12
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Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 3:28:28 PM |
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Habanero
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 3:23:52 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
From R&H
....3s no longer worry about impressing
others with their prestige, success, or status, nor do they
aggrandize themselves at the expense of others....
When was Obama EVER like this? And WHY can no one address this question. It has been asked many times.
Still waiting....
P.S. Citing political opponents' snipes does not count.
Impressing implies an ego need to make oneselve greater than others, to stand out above others. In contrast with impsire - which seeks to elevate others.
tri-fix 9-4-6 infj
We are not what we know but what we are willing to learn -- Mary Catherine Bateson
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lilalove
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 3:38:01 PM
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Habanero, they can't answer the question. the best they have got is that Obama was only 'acting' like a 9 for is entire life. lol
Because.. no 9 can ever have self confidence, or some such.
All 9's are doomed to timidness.
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Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 3:39:50 PM |
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Crooner
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 3:42:14 PM
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Fascinating. It seems that we all listened to
the exact same speech through different filters.
I heard the entire speech through my 5-8-3 TriFix.
8:
We're gonna pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off.
And through our indomitable spirit we will prevail.
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Realizing this vision will take hard work.
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My take is that we will each individually put in
our best effort. I didn't hear even a hint of
prevailing through 6ish solidarity.
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marie
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 5:26:26 PM
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If we are to analyze the speech enneagramatically, it seemed to me that the speech was aimed at the Six in all of us; Six is the core of humanity. (The speech itself didn't do anything to resolve the question of whether Obama is a Three or a Nine.)
Maybe I am just obsessed with issues of authority and anti-authority (maybe I, myself, am a Six after all) but I think that Obama made a deliberate choice to tone it down. He could have brought that crowd to its knees in a fit of almost religious fervor; that's what many of them came for. But he told them to leave childish ways behind. He is not Big Daddy in the sky and cannot substitute for him. He will do his part but they are going to have to do most of the work, both individually and as part of something larger than themselves.
He looked young to me today. |
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marie
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 5:29:52 PM
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Fascinating. It seems that we all listened to
the exact same speech through different filters.
Yes...this whole thing has been fascinating in just that way. |
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marie
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 5:31:25 PM
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Rick Warren annoyed the Hell out of me - the only really false note in the whole proceedings.
I do understand why Obama chose him...but I respectfully disagree. |
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Stormy
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.ron4
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 6:20:26 PM
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There you go, it's perception and maybe the truth.
He looked younger to me today also. Is he younger?
NO! But for some reason he looked younger to some
of us.
See ! You know what I mean. Probably not 
But this is for sure Marie, ain't gettin no younger.
And neither is anybody else and you know who I mean.
Ron
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2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
So it goes in the land of discussion boards. 