| Author |
 Topic  |
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
 Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 6:33:15 PM
|
I think Obama found his own voice inside the tombs of philosophy he read in his early 20's. I think humanitarianism ideology is the spark that fueled Obama's engine and lead him to community service. And I think community service is what lead Obama to seek the presidency.
And I think Obama's speech was written by that same young man from 25 years ago who found his voice and 'on switch'. Obama's 'on switch' is not pushed by a single person.. it's pushed by an ideology that can hear the voices of millions.
Obama is teaching many people a new way to think and see the world.
A bigger way with a path that leads to a better way.
Humanitarianism is an informal ideology of practice; it is the doctrine that people's duty is to promote human welfare.[1]
Humanitarianism is based on a view that all human beings deserve respect and dignity and should be treated as such. Therefore, humanitarians work towards advancing the well-being of humanity as a whole. It is the antithesis of the "us vs. them" mentality that characterizes tribalism and ethnic nationalism. Humanitarians abhor slavery, violation of basic and human rights, and discrimination on the basis of features such as skin colour, religion, ancestry, or place of birth. Humanitarianism drives people to save lives, alleviate suffering, and promote human dignity in the middle of man-made or natural disasters.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 6:43:31 PM |
 |
|
|
~lee~
Member
USA
7144 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 7:01:36 PM
|
| In terms of humanitarianism, I wish that Obama had included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a nutso policy. And, in my opinion, orientation is a "given", as racial inheritance is. |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 7:14:49 PM
|
quote:
He looked young to me today.
Ha! I wrote the above before I read your post.
Yes.. he did look young. A destiny (to use such a word) was realized by a young man who woke up 25 years ago. That young man looked out at us all today. Still the same man, as all those years ago, in many ways.
He can show us the way to health. But it is up to us, in the end, to do the work that leads to our own awoken destiny (to use such a word).
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 9:38:36 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 7:27:07 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
In terms of humanitarianism, I wish that Obama had included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a nutso policy. And, in my opinion, orientation is a "given", as racial inheritance is.
I think Obama has pushed to included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. Maybe not to the full degree we would like... but all or nothing in a country that is not fully ready... would mean nothing.
These things take stages. I'm pretty sure Obama understands that better than most.
"No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come."
The time will come.
I'm pretty sure that in the next 4 years legislation for same sex civil unions will be signed into law. And that will be a very big step forward.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 8:09:38 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
In terms of humanitarianism, I wish that Obama had included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a nutso policy. And, in my opinion, orientation is a "given", as racial inheritance is.
Lee, if I may..
Don't think for one second others don't agree with you on that! There is more that must be accomplished and so let's have faith it will come!
As for Obama, he himself has experienced a life of what others have labelled him to be and has not always been so keen to identify himself as such. I do wonder what he thinks when being addressed by his colour. That he has said time and again he is of mixed race and is inheritantly both.
The confusion is with us, not him. It's those who might take a minute to think of someone but themselves - subjective thinking. What does this say about me? It always goes back to this and perhaps there will be a day when there is a president no more. The ultra ego ceases to be. That will be the day!
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
JoL
Member
USA
2058 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 8:53:58 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by lilalove
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
In terms of humanitarianism, I wish that Obama had included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a nutso policy. And, in my opinion, orientation is a "given", as racial inheritance is.
I think Obama has pushed to included sexual orientation diversity as part of his push to inclusiveness. Maybe not to the full degree we would like... but all or nothing in a country that is not fully ready... would mean nothing.
These things take stages. I'm pretty sure Obama understands that better than most.
"No army can withstand the strength of an idea whose time has come."
The time will come.
I'm pretty sure that in the next 4 years legislation for same sex civil unions will be signed into law. And that will be a very big step forward.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w
8
I agree lila. Things come out of the shadow gradually. This one might be next to emerge.
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
|
|
|
|
koolkatkuhner
Member
3777 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:18:12 PM
|
Behind every Three (or even Nine) that believes in diligence and duty is a no-nonsense One.  |
|
|
|
~lee~
Member
USA
7144 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:18:31 PM
|
I suspect that Obama made a conscious choice to say absolutely nothing about sexuality diversity.
And so I wonder why. I liked his speech immensely yet noticed this omission, which to me came across as glaring.
The issue is no longer in the shadow.
Some people are still more equal than others.
(Yes, change takes time and yes, it's better than it was 30 years ago, but this is the change-agent guy who wants to instill courage and hope.) |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:21:34 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
Interesting that Obama stumbled over the oath.
I liked the speech, mostly.
He didn't stumble at all. Clearly he was perplexed! I personally would have taken away the coke. But that's another speech to America! lol
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:23:02 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by koolkatkuhner
Behind every Three (or even Nine) that believes in diligence and duty is a no-nonsense One.
If you say so.
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:31:32 PM
|
While he was there in Washington, not far away from poverty, he could have lifted the general feel of the populous and ignited change right there and then! I was hoping he would have had some line to sx/ and zoomed in to the ground he was standing on!
All this history and the future, not sure what that all that could mean to the actual city of Washington. That they showed up for the glory baffles me but whatever..
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:59:54 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
I suspect that Obama made a conscious choice to say absolutely nothing about sexuality diversity.
And so I wonder why. I liked his speech immensely yet noticed this omission, which to me came across as glaring.
The issue is no longer in the shadow.
Some people are still more equal than others.
(Yes, change takes time and yes, it's better than it was 30 years ago, but this is the change-agent guy who wants to instill courage and hope.)
Lee, Obama is not the homosexual communities MLK. Sorry.
That is going to have to come from a voice inside the homosexual community. A voice who's destiny (to use such a word) it is to awaken the American public to the plight of sexual diversity discrimination.
Obama is lighting a path that could help lead that voice to its calling.
Maybe that voice is yours. You do the work if it is your passion.
Picture a man next to his husband taking the oath of POTUS, or a woman next to her wife. Seems hard.. but 100 years ago the idea of a black man next to his black wife standing on that stage taking the oath was just as hard to imagine.
Ideas take time to be realized. The homosexual communities lighting rode has yet to materialize. The hope you can find in Obama is that in time when the idea has been burned into the psyche of the majority it too will one day be realized. Obama will do what he can for the time that we live in.
And that might not be enough for you. And maybe, that will lead you to lead a movement that will awaken a nation.
"We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness."
Just because Obama did not single sexual diversity out does not mean he left it out, Lee.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 20 Jan 2009 10:58:36 PM |
|
|
|
JoL
Member
USA
2058 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:00:59 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ~lee~
I suspect that Obama made a conscious choice to say absolutely nothing about sexuality diversity.
And so I wonder why. I liked his speech immensely yet noticed this omission, which to me came across as glaring.
The issue is no longer in the shadow.
Some people are still more equal than others.
(Yes, change takes time and yes, it's better than it was 30 years ago, but this is the change-agent guy who wants to instill courage and hope.)
The way I see it: It's still in the shadow of enough of the collective that it's not all of the way out in the light. Why else wouldn't it be accepted? It's a process. We are anxious for change, and as we make it known that it's acceptable to us...like you're doing...it will happen. It's just a matter of time.
9-7-4sx/sp/so XNFP
|
|
|
|
shakti
Member
USA
7844 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:31:14 PM
|
| Ok Dee, I've deleted. |
Edited by - shakti on 20 Jan 2009 10:45:46 PM |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:39:59 PM
|
Anne, that was disturbing. If you don't know what you are talking about then best to study more or just don't say anything unless you are prepared to be educated.
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:47:18 PM
|
Lee, what would you have liked to have heard the President
say about the equality of sex ???
Ron
|
Edited by - .ron4 on 20 Jan 2009 11:02:36 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:51:03 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Anne
Ok Dee, I've deleted.
What a shame. I thought what you had to say was deep with wisdom.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 10:51:26 PM
|
Well there's so much editing and deleting going
on, I might have to delete this one and the last
one after I edit a few times or we'll see what
happens.
ronn |
Edited by - .ron4 on 20 Jan 2009 11:06:22 PM |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:01:23 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by lilalove
quote:
Originally posted by Anne
Ok Dee, I've deleted.
What a shame. I thought what you had to say was deep with wisdom.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8
I thought so too. I love you Anne. Love you lilalove. Let's do it again.
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:05:17 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Anne
Ok Dee, I've deleted.
It didn't disturb me
r |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:08:01 PM
|
quote:
I thought so too. I love you Anne. Love you lilalove. Let's do it again
.
I love you too, Dee.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
|
|
|
shakti
Member
USA
7844 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:10:19 PM
|
Thanks Lila.
It's part of deepening the courage/ability to stand by what I believe. I retreated in this instance. But, there will be other chances, I'm sure. |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:13:27 PM
|
Let us not forget ron. ron. what can i say about ron..
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:15:33 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dee
Let us not forget ron. ron. what can i say about ron..
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
You rang...?
|
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 11:30:36 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
quote:
Originally posted by Dee
Let us not forget ron. ron. what can i say about ron..
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
You rang...?
I rang your neck! Now agree with everything I say and tell me I'm the next president!
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
