| Author |
 Topic  |
|
stillwaters
Member
160 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 7:32:58 PM
|
Are there any other sexual-last 9w1s as dynamic and emphatic on stage as Obama and I?
We are unique withdrawns.
-run deep- |
 |
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 7:57:53 PM
|
Awwwwwwwwwwwww,.......... I see now ;)
Oron
|
Edited by - .ron4 on 21 Jan 2009 8:00:14 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 11:42:39 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
ptypes, why would a "serious" type 9 be left "grim-faced" ???
What do you think was his thinking then.??
Ron
Obama is trying to set a new tone in Washington. One that does not belittle others. "It's time to put away childish things and time to stop kicking the cats." I think Obama saw it as an unneeded low shot at the honorable Chief Justice John Roberts. It has been reported how embarrassed Chief Justice John Roberts is over his mistake. Maybe Obama felt a little compassion for "straight-A" Chief Justice John Roberts who has never made a public mistake like that before in his life and who did it on a day the whole world was watching. I don't think Obama was thinking about himself in that moment. Obama has empathy and just plain decent.
Kind of like how Obama pointed out at 1am that his wife had done everything he had... they had been awake for 17 hours and danced at 10 balls.. Obama pointed out that his beautiful wife did it all in heels.
Any woman who has had to be on her feet for hours in new shoes with high heels.. could feel Michelle Obama's pain in that moment. I'm sure her feet were covered in blisters. I never even thought of what she must have been going through...(she never once showed it on her face. Ah, she is powerful).. Obama brought attention to it. Obama is aware of the feelings of others.
It's not all about him. It never is.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 5:47:00 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 09:32:29 AM
|
Obama chose Rev. Sharon Watkins to give the National Cathedral Sermon (A personal sermon that is given on the first day to every new President.) He met Rev. Sharon Watkins while he was on the campaign trail. In her Obama found someone who deeply touched his own spirit. He asked her to come to Washington to give the personal sermon.
Harmonies of Liberty
Isaiah 58:6-12, Mt 22:6-40
Rev. Dr. Sharon E. Watkins
National Prayer Service; January 21, 2009
Mr. President and Mrs. Obama, Mr. Vice President and Dr. Biden, and your families, what an inaugural celebration you have hosted! Train ride, opening concert, service to neighbor, dancing till dawn . . .
And yesterday . . . With your inauguration, Mr. President, the flame of America's promise burns just a little brighter for every child of this land!
There is still a lot of work to do, and today the nation turns its full attention to that work. As we do, it is good that we pause to take a deep spiritual breath. It is good that we center for a moment.
What you are entering now, Mr. President and Mr. Vice President, will tend to draw you away from your ethical center. But we, the nation that you serve, need you to hold the ground of your deepest values, of our deepest values.
Beyond this moment of high hopes, we need you to stay focused on our shared hopes, so that we can continue to hope, too.
We will follow your lead.
There is a story attributed to Cherokee wisdom:
One evening a grandfather was teaching his young grandson about the internal battle that each person faces.
“There are two wolves struggling inside each of us,” the old man said.
“One wolf is vengefulness, anger, resentment, self-pity, fear . . .
“The other wolf is compassion, faithfulness, hope, truth, love . . .”
The grandson sat, thinking, then asked: “Which wolf wins, Grandfather?”
His grandfather replied, “The one you feed.”
There are crises banging on the door right now, pawing at us, trying to draw us off our ethical center – crises that tempt us to feed the wolf of vengefulness and fear.
We need you, Mr. President, to hold your ground. We need you, leaders of this nation, to stay centered on the values that have guided us in the past; values that empowered to move us through the perils of earlier times and can guide us now into a future of renewed promise.
We need you to feed the good wolf within you, to listen to the better angels of your nature, and by your example encourage us to do the same.
This is not a new word for a pastor to bring at such a moment. In the later chapters of Isaiah, in the 500's BCE, the prophet speaks to the people. Back in the capital city after long years of exile, their joy should be great, but things aren't working out just right. Their homecoming is more complicated than expected. Not everyone is watching their parade or dancing all night at their arrival.
They turn to God, “What's going on here? We pray and we fast, but you do not bless us. We're confused.”
Through the prophet, God answers, what fast? You fast only to quarrel and fight and strike with the fist. . .
Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of injustice . . . to share your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into your house . .? Then your light shall break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up quickly . . .
At our time of new beginning, focused on renewing America's promise –yet at a time of great crisis – which fast do we choose? Which “wolf” do we feed? What of America's promise do we honor?
Recently Muslim scholars from around the world released a document, known as “A Common Word Between Us.” It proposes a common basis for building a world at peace. That common basis? Love of God and love of neighbor! What we just read in the Gospel of Matthew!
So how do we go about loving God? Well, according to Isaiah, summed up by Jesus, affirmed by a worldwide community of Muslim scholars and many others, it is by facing hard times with a generous spirit: by reaching out toward each other rather than turning our backs on each other. As Mahatma Gandhi once said, “people can be so poor that the only way they see God is in a piece of bread.”
In the days immediately before us, there will be much to draw us away from the grand work of loving God and the hard work of loving neighbor. In crisis times, a basic instinct seeks to take us over – a fight/flight instinct that leans us toward the fearful wolf, orients us toward the self-interested fast . . .
In international hard times, our instinct is to fight – to pick up the sword, to seek out enemies, to build walls against the other – and why not? They just might be out to get us. We've got plenty of evidence to that effect. Someone has to keep watch and be ready to defend, and Mr. President – Tag! You're it!
But on the way to those tough decisions, which American promises will frame those decisions? Will you continue to reason from your ethical center, from the bedrock values of our best shared hopes? Which wolf will you feed?
In financial hard times, our instinct is flight – to hunker down, to turn inward, to hoard what little we can get our hands on, to be fearful of others who may take the resources we need. In hard financial times, which fast do we choose? The fast that placates our hunkered-down soul – or the fast that reaches out to our sister and our brother?
In times, such as these, we the people need you, the leaders of this nation, to be guided by the counsel that Isaiah gave so long ago, to work for the common good, for the public happiness, the well-being of the nation and the world, knowing that our individual wellbeing depends upon a world in which liberty and justice prevail.
This is the biblical way. It is also the American way – to believe in something bigger than ourselves, to reach out to neighbor to build communities of possibility, of liberty and justice for all. This is the center we can find again whenever we are pulled at and pawed at by the vengeful wolf, when we are tempted by the self-interested fast.
America's true character, the source of our national wisdom and strength, is rooted in a generous and hopeful spirit.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, . . .
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
Emma Lazarus' poetry is spelled out further by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr,: “As long as there is poverty in the world I can never be rich, even if I have a billion dollars. As long as diseases are rampant and millions of people in this world cannot expect to live more than twenty-eight or thirty years, I can never be totally healthy . . . I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the way our world is made.”
You yourself, Mr. President, have already added to this call, “If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. . . . It's that fundamental belief — I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper — that makes this country work.”
It is right that college classes on political oratory already study your words . You, as our president, will set the tone for us. You will help us as a nation choose again and again which wolf to feed, which fast to choose, to love God by loving our neighbor.
We will follow your lead – and we will walk with you. And sometimes we will swirl in front of you, pulling you along.
At times like these – hard times –we find out what we're made of. Is that blazing torch of liberty just for me? Or do we seek the “harmonies of liberty”, many voices joined together, many hands offering to care for neighbors far and near?
Though tempted to withdraw the offer, surely Lady Liberty can still raise that golden torch of generosity to the world. Even in these financial hard times, these times of international challenge, the words of Katherine Lee Bates describe a nation with more than enough to share: “Oh, beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain, for purple mountain majesties above the fruited plain . . .”
A land of abundance guided by a God of abundance, generosity, and hope – This is our heritage. This is America's promise which we fulfill when we reach out to each other.
Even in these hard times, rich or poor, we can reach out to our neighbor, including our global neighbor, in generous hospitality, building together communities of possibility and of hope. Even in these tough times, we can feed the good wolf, listen to the better angels of our nature. We can choose the fast of God's desiring.
Even now in these hard times let us
Lift every voice and sing Till earth and heaven ring,
. . . with the harmonies of Liberty;
Even now let us Sing a song full of hope. . .
Especially now, from the center of our deepest shared values, let us pray, still in the words of James Weldon Johnson:
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light,
Keep us . . . in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,
May we forever stand.
True to our God,
True to our native land.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 09:39:16 AM |
|
|
|
bear
Member
USA
4072 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 11:11:17 AM
|
On Diane Rehm today... can be streamed later.
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/
Readers' Review: "Dreams from My Father" by Barack Obama
As the first black president of the "Harvard Law Review," Barack Obama received an advance from a publisher in 1995 to write a book. He decided to tell the story of his family in the hopes it might help people understand the fissures of race, class, and identity in America. Diane invites listeners to join a Readers' Review of our 44th President's first memoir.
Guests
Mark Whitaker, senior vice president & Washington bureau chief, NBC News
Lisa Page, freelance writer who teaches creative writing at George Washington University.
Kate Lehrer, author, most recently of "Confessions of a Bigamist." |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 1:24:10 PM
|
Well, as a progressive/leftwinger I am very pleased with Obama's first 2 days. He has kept 5 of his top 10 campaign promises. Obama was telling us the truth.. how novel. Action and keeping his word. And it has only been 2 days!
Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 1:34:31 PM |
|
|
|
Habanero
Member
1197 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 1:24:44 PM
|
I had the same reaction as Ptypes when I first saw that.
“Average 9w1 are concerned with propriety and respectability...” Riso & Hudson, The Big Orange Book, Page 171.
Yes, it was an image reaction. An image reaction very 9w1 in style. The E1 component feels responsible for the environment and believes it reflects on them. A typical reaction is a glare, or wince, something non verbal and “parental.” I also agree with Lila that he has empathy and a high emotional IQ which is not type related.
I noticed that 9w1s don’t do glib and breezy in public (emphasis on the word public). Only the assertive triaders...3, 8, and 7 really pull it off, sometimes marginally, but it doesn’t stay in the news because they are certain to do it again next week. (Arnold telling Obama he needs to work out). Because the 9w1 is so earnest and sober (i.e. non mercurial), any departure seems too extreme and often they end up apologizing. (Obama’s Nancy Reagan comment).
|
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 1:35:45 PM
|
Good insight, Habanero.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 1:49:45 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by stillwaters
"I'm driving my point home bigtime!"
-run deep-
How 1ish he looks in that photo. lol
Obama has been known to preach moral standards. That is a fact. And he points his finger out like Gore when he does it. lol
It's not done at all like the Bill Clinton wagging finger.
Obama drives his finger home like a type 1 holding the sword of highest principle... not like a type 3 defence that aims to warn you away from looking deeper into an issue.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 2:08:18 PM |
|
|
|
ptypes
Member
5394 Posts |
|
|
stillwaters
Member
160 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 3:34:14 PM
|
"I'm taking care of business!" --> 3w4 perfectionism.
 
 
-run deep- |
|
|
|
ptypes
Member
5394 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 3:42:56 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by stillwaters
"I'm taking care of business!" --> 3w4 perfectionism.
What business did Barack Obama ever engage in.
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer. Harry Truman had a lot of business ventures, the last one a haberdashery.
Barack Obama was a law professor and community organizer. No signs of appetite for the entrepenurial.
I see Obama's way as plodding, nose to the grindstone, hardwork.
3w4 perfectionists are more after spectacular achievement.
Jimmy Carter's campaign biography in 1976 was Why_Not_The_Best in which he recounted all his accomplishments.
Obama proposed himself on the basis of his judgment rather than on experience or accomplishment.
|
Edited by - ptypes on 22 Jan 2009 4:02:11 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 3:43:54 PM
|
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/22/obamas-first-air-force-on_n_159977.html
You know... projecting myself into Obama's place.. walking down those steps...
I'm not sure I could keep my own ego and self importance from taking over.
I have no idea how Obama can be so equidistant and keep his self perspective so measured to the bigger picture. He is a true public servant and good leader.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 5:25:04 PM |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 3:55:41 PM
|
stillwaters, he looks like a warm innocent eyed 9w1 and ethical and firm 1w9 in those pictures. Not at all like a perfectionistic 3w4.
Jimmy Carter is a perfectionistic 3w4.
John Roberts is also a perfectionistic 3w4.
they are nothing like Obama.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 3:59:23 PM |
|
|
|
stillwaters
Member
160 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 4:04:34 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by ptypes
quote:
Originally posted by stillwaters
"I'm taking care of business!" --> 3w4 perfectionism.
What business did Barack Obama ever engage in.
Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer. Harry Truman had a lot of business ventures, the last one a haberdashery.
Barack Obama was a law professor and community organizer. No signs of appetite for the entrepenurial.
I see Obama's way as plodding, nose to the grindstone, hardwork.
3w4 perfectionists are more after spectacular achievement.
Jimmy Carter's campaign biography in 1976 was Why_Not_The_Best in which he recounted all his accomplishments.
Obama proposed himself on the basis of his judgment rather than on experience or accomplishment.
http://www.english-idioms.net/cgi-bin/idiom.cgi?idiom=take%20care%20of%20business
-run deep- |
|
|
|
pork
Member
USA
3089 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 4:34:45 PM
|
ptypes: Barack Obama was a law professor and community organizer. No signs of appetite for the entrepenurial.
Remember, he's been adopting a Nine-like idiom his whole life to gain admiration in a scheme of sophisticated Threeness whose unflinching dedication and seer-like foresight (he started his populist ploy at such a young age, we have no record of his life prior to it) astonish those who know the truth. Most of these enlightened folks write for conservative rags. Read them if you doubt the extent of his duplicity.
The only problem with the inverse argument - that he has such a plethora of Nine-like qualities because he is a Nine and that his Three side is "underplayed" because it really is ancillary - is that if such were the case, he would be fused to his sofa at least 70% of the time, precluding any chances of attaining the presidency.
^(oo)^
4w3-6w5-8w9
SP/SX
INFJ |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 4:42:47 PM
|
R&H, type 3 with a 4 wing.
People of this subtype tent to be more pretentious
than the other subtype, putting great stock in their
ideas and demanding< that others do likewise. They are
also more aloof and conscious of how others treat them.
Narcissistic feelings of superiority and arrogance
mingle with the 4s feelings of exemption and self-
indulgence.They can be subtle show-offs, but show-offs
nonetheless.
end.
I think we are seeing this in the form of being aware
of this in himself. He is controlling of this to me.
The child has become a big boy, and now the "man".
Biden is a little loose for Obama's taste and he
might have to remind Biden that, you might be
older, but your a goof-ball sometimes.
I'll be looking for this as time goes by.
Ron
|
|
|
|
ptypes
Member
5394 Posts |
|
|
pork
Member
USA
3089 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:00:28 PM
|
.ron4: He is controlling of this to me.
I think I know what you mean - he notices his urge to display these tendencies and thus keeps them in check (yet another aspect of his elaborate Nine-like disguise) - but you should call your wife in to give your prose an overhaul. 
^(oo)^
4w3-6w5-8w9
SP/SX
INFJ |
|
|
|
.ron4
Member
9124 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:11:28 PM
|
Thanks ptypes, that was nice.
pork, you're right, I should have.
Ron
|
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:15:30 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
R&H, type 3 with a 4 wing.
People of this subtype tent to be more pretentious
than the other subtype, putting great stock in their
ideas and demanding< that others do likewise. They are
also more aloof and conscious of how others treat them.
Narcissistic feelings of superiority and arrogance
mingle with the 4s feelings of exemption and self-
indulgence.They can be subtle show-offs, but show-offs
nonetheless.
end.
Ron
but Ron. that is nothing like Obama.
Reread.
"They are also more aloof and conscious of how others treat them.
Narcissistic feelings of superiority and arrogance
mingle with the 4s feelings of exemption and self-
indulgence."
Obama was not worried about how Biden was treating him (Obama).
It was clear Obama cared about being respectful to another.
A narcissistic person full of feelings of superiority and arrogance would think nothing of the belittlement of a man who screwed up his swearing in.
It would feed his own ego that Biden was letting the whole world know what a loser Chief Justice John Roberts was. But Obama was not thinking about his own ego. Obama was thinking about Chief Justice John Roberts. Obama is respectful to others because he is decent.
If anything, ron... your post makes a case as to why Obama is not a 3w4.
Obama might have had a little 1ish wing reaction when he went stiff for a second... but Obama was nothing like a 3 at level 5. Nothing.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 5:23:10 PM |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:46:04 PM
|
I agree with lilalove.
Biden, want to fixate Obama? Play on his 1-wing! Punch jokes at protocol, Biden. Obama will be rid of him without any explaination. It's a 9 thing!
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
|
|
|
lilalove
Member
Haiti
12531 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:49:54 PM
|
Biden is a 6w7w6 mix. Biden has a lot of 6 in him and he sometimes kicks the republican cats. Biden is a nice enough guy most the time.. but he does have some lower average 6 issues.
The super real sx/so
6w7-4w3-9w8 |
Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 5:52:32 PM |
|
|
|
ptypes
Member
5394 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:53:42 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Dee
I agree with lilalove.
Biden, want to fixate Obama? Play on his 1-wing! Punch jokes at protocol, Biden. Obama will be rid of him without any explaination. It's a 9 thing!
Yeah. I hadn't thought of that, before.
I have Biden as 7w8, and 7w8s and 1s are opposites in my book, like the adventurous/antisocial and conscientious/obsessive-compulsive ptypes are opposites. |
|
|
|
Dee
Member
6920 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 5:55:13 PM
|
Biden gets caught up in shinning his pearly whites and needs to be put in his place. We saw that when Obama grabbed his arm away from the mic. Or rather, took him by the arm away from the mic
That 8 wing finally reared itself and just in the nic of time. I can only imagine how Obama shunned him afterwards.
4w3 sx/sp/so
dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
Edited by - Dee on 22 Jan 2009 5:58:40 PM |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
2008 Presidential Candidates (Second Edition)
