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ptypes
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
Biden gets caught up in shinning his pearly whites and needs to be put in his place. We saw that when Obama grabbed his arm away from the mic. Or rather, took him by the arm away from the mic 
That 8 wing finally reared itself and just in the nic of time. I can only imagine how Obama shunned him afterwards.
President Obama took immediate action.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-sends-biden-on-spec_b_159933.html |
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Dee
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:01:59 PM
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ptypes, I have Biden as as Type 7w8. All one needs to do is watch him and Palin debating to understand they are one of the same type. They were getting a kick out of one another!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FbCPzAsRA
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Edited by - Dee on 22 Jan 2009 6:06:18 PM |
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ptypes
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
ptypes, I have Biden as as Type 7w8. All one needs to do is watch him and Palin debating to understand they are one of the same type. They were getting a kick out of one another!
Could be, but, on the other hand, it might have been the sexual attraction of mostly opposite temperaments or styles. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:09:19 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Dee
Biden gets caught up in shinning his pearly whites and needs to be put in his place. We saw that when Obama grabbed his arm away from the mic.
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
Obama simply gave a "heads-up" tap on the arm to Biden. Like hay, kicking cats when they are down is not called for. It serves no purpose other than to stir strife. Obama is all about keeping the peace.
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Dee
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:11:59 PM
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Originally posted by ptypes
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Originally posted by Dee
Biden gets caught up in shinning his pearly whites and needs to be put in his place. We saw that when Obama grabbed his arm away from the mic. Or rather, took him by the arm away from the mic
That 8 wing finally reared itself and just in the nic of time. I can only imagine how Obama shunned him afterwards.
President Obama took immediate action.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-sends-biden-on-spec_b_159933.html
Thank you for this article! So there we have it!!
Sorry but.. LOL
how predictable.. even dee could figure that out!
lol
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Dee
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:13:06 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
quote:
Originally posted by Dee
Biden gets caught up in shinning his pearly whites and needs to be put in his place. We saw that when Obama grabbed his arm away from the mic.
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
Obama simply gave a "heads-up" tap on the arm to Biden. Like hay, kicking cats when they are down is not called for. It serves no purpose other than to stir strife. Obama is all about keeping the peace.
The super real sx/so
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Did ya read the article posted by ptypes? Check it out!
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
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.ron4
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:18:52 PM
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No way ! most 9s would have hehed and blow it off to keep the peace.
Obama has cast his image and it's being above childishness.
Ron
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lilalove
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:19:28 PM
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Dee, Ptypes...
Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times.
That article was a joke. It was not real. It was a spoof.
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Dee
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:20:20 PM
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Originally posted by ptypes
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Originally posted by Dee
ptypes, I have Biden as as Type 7w8. All one needs to do is watch him and Palin debating to understand they are one of the same type. They were getting a kick out of one another!
Could be, but, on the other hand, it might have been the sexual attraction of mostly opposite temperaments or styles.
Could be however I don't see them as opposites at all. They are both motivated to challange the establishment. One takes the train to work, the other could have taken a private plane but tried to sell it on ebay - this and them pearly whites.. lol
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ptypes
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:20:28 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Dee, Ptypes...
Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times.
That article was a joke. It was not real. It was a spoof.
Okay, nevermind. |
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Dee
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:21:29 PM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Dee, Ptypes...
Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times.
That article was a joke. It was not real. It was a spoof.
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Are you saying the comedy is all but a spoof? Have you not heard of irony? How about satire?
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1) |
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ptypes
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:23:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
Could be however I don't see them as opposites at all. They are both motivated to challange the establishment. One takes the train to work, the other could have taken a private plane but tried to sell it on ebay - this and them pearly whites.. lol
I think that I might try to see her as something of a Scarlett O'Hara, manipulating men with her feminine wiles and assets.
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lilalove
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:28:10 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
No way ! most 9s would have hehed and blow it off to keep the peace.
Obama has cast his image and it's being above childishness.
Ron
Sure... it had nothing to do with the fact that kicking republican cats when they are down could cause strife with the opposition party who Obama is trying to not alienate. Running a more bipartisan and respectful administration will create a far more harmonious environment not only for Obama but for the state of our nation.
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ptypes
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 6:57:50 PM
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| The way I interpret Margaret Mitchell's characterizations in Gone_With_The_Wind, she has dichotomized her own Type 2 personality between Melanie Hamilton who has all her 'good' qualities and Scarlett O'Hara who has all her 'bad' qualities. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 7:09:54 PM
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In retrospect, I think that Biden and Palin are both motivated to take a step back so as to spring forward. I'm not sure Obama is so flexible. It has occured to me that Obama will be known to stall when most needed to take action. I forsee there being a problem with this. If not careful, I forsee Biden and Obama separating and Caroline Kennedy being there for a short time. I see Obama retreating and disappointing the country. Divorce. The D word - Depression.
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dee says: Priorities are only effective when in the right order! (Type 1)
I don't see that at all.
Obama is not unhealthy and he seems to have a rather enlightened perspective. I don't see him doing any kind of hard and fast slide down in health. Obama is at level 3.. and seems to be at that level on all 3 points of enneagram triangle.
9 at level 3.
3 at level 3.
6 at level 3.
He is so balanced... and has been balanced for so many years... I'm not thinking it is going to change that such.
Obama is very consistent.
Obama is not perfect and might get off to a few false starts before he finds a steady path forward... but I would expect no less.
If things went too perfect I would get a little suspicious.
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Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 7:11:18 PM |
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Habanero
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 7:25:29 PM
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Good insight, Habanero.
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Habanero
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 7:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
R&H, type 3 with a 4 wing.
People of this subtype tent to be more pretentious
than the other subtype, putting great stock in their
ideas and demanding< that others do likewise. They are
also more aloof and conscious of how others treat them.
Narcissistic feelings of superiority and arrogance
mingle with the 4s feelings of exemption and self-
indulgence.They can be subtle show-offs, but show-offs
nonetheless.
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What's interesting is how much of this stuff is disowned "shadow" material for Nines. A lot of energy is expended in keeping our shadow in check. |
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lilalove
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 9:12:22 PM
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I thought the disowned shadow had to do with our shadow wing.
Like if Obama is a 9w1 his disowned shadow would be the lower health type 8. And that would fit because Obama has clear issues with disowning behaver that encourages adversarial relationships and "might makes right" thinking.
If Obama were a 3w4 his disowned shadow would be the lower health found in 2's. But Obama has already said he chooses guilt trips as punishments. lol
Like with his kids.. if they do something wrong he does not yell.. he simply tells them how disappointed in their behavior he is and they feel really bad and that's enough.
Is the lower health of a persons enntagration point also a shadow issue? Kind of like the higher health of our disenntagration point is our missing piece?
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Edited by - lilalove on 22 Jan 2009 9:14:05 PM |
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Javier
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 01:48:29 AM
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I no more want to be like Mike. =====
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shakti
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 01:55:39 AM
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Originally posted by lilalove
Is the lower health of a persons enntagration point also a shadow issue? Kind of like the higher health of our disenntagration point is our missing piece?
Something like that. With type 5 for example, we may self-perceive as weak in a conflict...but then if we have time to sort it out on our own...we can reach a type of inner resolution that is complete...no longer open to external considerations...in this state it's very much a form of my way of highway (low 8) attachment to thinking. In an Enneagram workshop a 1-5 couple described this...when she the 1 is upset...he feels like the room is taken over...like her balloon (aura?) hardly leaves him any space...then he gets to consider whatever the issue was...and maybe do research...whatever then reaches his inner resolution...unknown to her...at this point...if the area comes up for discussion say a few days down the road...his perception is that he's now holding his own...to her it feels like he has a huge 2 by 4. lol.
I think there's easy access to the low health part...just not awareness that we are acting it out.
low integration - unaware but lived
high integration - consiously aware and some aspiration around this
low disintegration - lived and aware
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lilalove
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 07:25:35 AM
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Originally posted by .ron4
No way ! most 9s would have hehed and blow it off to keep the peace.
Obama has cast his image and it's being above childishness.
Ron
Ron, you do know that John Mccain, senator Lindsey Graham, Colin Powell, Robert Gates, and countless other military leaders backed Obama's executive order to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay and for our nation to use the US Army field manual (as we always have as a moral compass) again. Even Bush wanted to close Guantanamo Bay this last year (he has said so) but never found the courage to stand against Cheney on the matter. draft dodger Cheney and draft dodger Rush and all those other chicken hawk republican hacks are the ones that pushed for the USA giving up it's ethical principles, The principles that made America that Shining Beacon on a Hill, as Ronald Reagan would say. Just because left wingers are happy over Obama's campaign promises kept does not mean a huge number of republicans don't approve too.
Another big executive order Obama passed was an ethics order to keep paid lobbyist from being able to worm tongue in his ear, ever.. for the whole time he is president.
Just because the Left is happy about it does not mean the right is not happy. There are a lot of lefty lobbyist that would love to get into Obama's ear. That is not going to happen now.
Obama is not going to hurt you, ron.
Obama has never taken the role as the egotist. He is decent, ron.
Obama is meeting with the Gop about his Stimulus Plan. Even though some will never agree to it... he cares about what they have to say and is willing to work with them over the issue of tax cuts. Giving more in places they think will help the economy. That does not make Nancy Pelosi happy but Obama is not going to cave to the far left. Obama is going to work with the right and find some common ground.
Try to keep your own fear and shadow issues in check and not project those fears onto Obama.
Obama has no problem with people being cute and whimsical at times. It is only the kind of "childishness" that is mean spirited and keeps a nation divided so we can't work together that Obama is asking us to try and end. Left and Right have gotten so nasty to each other. The leftwing hacks can be every bit as nasty as the rightwing hacks,
That bitter cruel mean spirited and childish back and forth is not helping our country or people. A honest debate about policy differences is fine and healthy in a democracy. But it can be done in a respectful manner.
Obama has no problem with Joe Biden being a goof-ball. Joe is endearing that way. Much the same way you are, ron.
What Obama objected to was a perceived dig at Chief Justice John Roberts who already felt bad about the mistake.
Obama was worried that Biden's slight would offend the right who adore Chief Justice John Roberts. Obama is not looking for a fight.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 10:23:35 AM
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Obama seems to be doing a lot of "putting people at ease". I wonder what might compel such a thing.....hmmm......terribly perplexing....
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ptypes
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 11:32:44 AM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
Obama seems to be doing a lot of "putting people at ease". I wonder what might compel such a thing.....hmmm......terribly perplexing....
Would that put him at Level 3?
Level 3: Optimistic, reassuring, supportive: have a healing and calming influence—harmonizing groups, bringing people together: a good mediator, synthesizer, and communicator.
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ptypes
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 12:11:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Enneagram Institute
We also think that Obama is difficult to type because he is a Three with a Four-wing, SO, and this subtype Variant may not be as well described as others. (Bill Clinton, for example, is a 3w2 SO--a much more common type in politics and the public eye.) But we have known and worked with many "laid back" 3w4's who are temperamentally, emotionally, and energetically exactly like Obama: they are invariably charming, easy-going on the surface (while a ball of energy and ambition beneath the surface), articulate, professional (and sometimes "professorial"), cool and not too emotionally expressive (often making them think they are Fives or Nines), and somewhat aloof from people--opening them to the criticism that they have a "superior" attitude and are elitist, and so forth--virtually all observations that have been made about Obama.
I thought of someone whom I have typed 3w4 who seems to fit the Institutes' description of the "laid back" 3w4 pretty well: Erik Erikson.
But my knowledge of Erikson's temperament and personality makes me think that it will be very difficult to show why Obama should be grouped with him.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/067400437X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 12:34:18 PM
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Originally posted by ptypes
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Originally posted by dfgray44
Obama seems to be doing a lot of "putting people at ease". I wonder what might compel such a thing.....hmmm......terribly perplexing....
Would that put him at Level 3?
'Twould. But more particularly, at E9.
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