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Originally posted by saintly_boozed

I don't know why people reject stereotypes. Sometimes they are true.

During the day I Irish jig around the oven while I make soda bread and recite old Celtic proverbs. After late mass, which is always better than the earlier one, the bread is ready so I say a few prayers and munch it up with some bacon carcass, eagerly watched by my 14 children. Such delights! Daddies still out on the field and I can sometimes get lonely, so some whisky before bedtime is always a must and allows the children some much-needed life experience. I embrace them lovingly and then screech some harsh truths, such as "Why are you looking at me like that? Who are you? Get out of my house!", which is more fun than sitting through Uncle McMonaghty's Danny Boy renditions.

With Death, Being stands before itself in its "ownmost potentiality for Being". In anxiety, in which one's potentiality-for-Being is completely indefinate, Being may recognise in this indefinition its own Death; as the possibility of no longer projecting any possibilities, the possibility of being unable to define one's possibilites any further. Death is, in this way, the possibility of the impossibility of any existance at all: not my own, not anyone elses.

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Originally posted by savorypie

Yup.

"Individuals who resemble babies experience effects far more significant than just being labeled ‘babyfaced.’ Just as babies deter aggression and elicit warm, affectionate, and protective responses, babyfaced individuals of all ages elicit unique social interactions. These derive from the tendency to perceive them as having more childlike traits, including naivete, submissiveness, warmth, and honesty." --wikipedia

I try not to play the baby-faced card so often, but it does usually end up in free drinks. :-)

Out of curiosity, do you know your aunt's type?
I don't tend to look like many people.

"Life never becomes a habit to me. It's always a marvel." -- K. Mansfield

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Originally posted by norman_nomad
They buy you drinks because if a bar fight breaks out they can use you to "deter aggression" ...

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Aunt's a 5 ... who looks a lot like my mom who's a 4w5...

I dunno... I think it's just the hair, the rocking chair and composure... gave me a flashback to when I was 8 and visiting my relatives in Iowa.

oh... interesting follow up question: Do you identify with any of those traits (childlike traits, including naivete, submissiveness, warmth, and honesty)... is there like a reciprocal thing maybe where once people expect the behavior you've felt more inclined to adopt it?

3w4 so/sx/sp ENTj

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Originally posted by savorypie

Very interesting... I usually look like that when I sit in chairs. Or on buses, or in public. Or I switch back and forth between that and the last picture. :-)

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Originally posted by savorypie

I guess I don't feel more inclined to adopt the behavior because people expect it, it's more on my terms, moods, and whims.

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Originally posted by savorypie

It feels to be something I turn on and off, or can control, use when I so desire. Sometimes that can be confusing to others if they expect baby-faced traits out of me and then I don't deliver. Can be frustrating on my end also. As when I turn it on, it feels incredibly too easy to get a reaction, that others fall for it far too easily.

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Originally posted by savorypie
Sometimes all I have to do is sit there and look quaint, or look petite and affected when sipping on a milkshake. lol. I think it is more to do with the physical traits, but I do worry often that maybe it's because of behavior (I really hope it's not, because I detest it in others usually). I think it's smallness. Being a "small thing". Smiling coyly.

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This is interesting... I guess I'm drawn to the ways in which outward image controls perception (very 3ish I suppose) and how others manipulate their natural imagery to achieve desired effects. I think I also feel frustrated when people so easily fall for a projection of an image rather than what's behind it... it's a very isolated and hollow feeling... very disconnected and sad (for them and me).

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Originally posted by savorypie


I am often reserved and contained and not talking much (when out among people I don't know).

Sometimes all I have to do is sit there and look quaint, or look petite and affected when sipping on a milkshake. lol. I think it is more to do with the physical traits, but I do worry often that maybe it's because of behavior (I really hope it's not, because I detest it in others usually). I think it's smallness. Being a "small thing". Smiling coyly.

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Originally posted by Kawaii

Norman, I really enjoyed reading your posts re: Savory's photos and the babyface effect.

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Originally posted by Kawaii

I very much relate to this; it touches on some central stuff for me (4w3 with an acute and chronic sense of public/private split, lol). It's really nice to see someone mention that.

"I hold the mountains in my mind and work to climb them. With every inch I climb, I can show others the boulders on the rock face, and that’s what they’ll see when I smile at them. A slice of the mountainside. Not the green-eyed girl huddling scared behind it. If ever I let the charade slip, there would be nothing left but darkness. In some people’s eyes, the mountain flickers. Others’ eyes cut through. I’m terrified. But at the same time, I crave it. I crave for someone to call out “What do you think you’re doing? You’re not really a mountain, that’s just silly. I see you behind there! I know you’re fighting. I know you’re scared. Come out, for once, and let me touch you.” If someone ever said that, the stone would break down. I know it would. And I’d break down too, like a child. I’d huddle in their arms and cry.
But the tension is still on, because no one has ever called out those words. Some have looked like they were about to, but they always run away. Thing is, they’re just as scared as I am, and they’re pretending too."

This is a great piece... what's it from?

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I'm also intrigued by image manipulation. I'm a "babyface" myself (picture on the page below). http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8306&whichpage=159
I've always hated it (I'm 21, people, and I can pass for my age in reverse??!! Seriously, universe!!!) but have pretty much developed my natural personality traits in ways I could use advantageously given my looks. Shy, quiet, apparently innocent--I can easily charm people, and they are more lenient with me than with others. I play up the 'underdog mild child' motif, and it works. My apparent innocence, along with my apparent professionalism, has basically been financing my education. There isn't much flexibility or range in my presentation. I've only polished one side of the rock, paradoxically garnering advantages from traits that originated in feeling 'lesser than'. I like to imagine being able to shapeshift though.

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I am often reserved and contained and not talking much (when out among people I don't know).

Sometimes all I have to do is sit there and look quaint, or look petite and affected when sipping on a milkshake. lol. I think it is more to do with the physical traits, but I do worry often that maybe it's because of behavior (I really hope it's not, because I detest it in others usually). I think it's smallness. Being a "small thing". Smiling coyly.

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it's not physical, no. plenty of girls who aren't baby-faced do this. one could almost narrow it down to anyone with 6w7 and 9w1 in their trifix . . .




jesus loves a cheerful four.

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And so, it probably could work the other way around as well, No?
Plenty of girls out there who are baby-faced who wouldn't act that way?

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I want to seclude it to my own sort of brand and to say it's more on the side of jovial and coquette and faaairly old-fashioned, but I am having a hard time with wanting to deny that I do it all, because I can't deny that I don't do it (It = playing the baby-faced part).

Meh. Something like Clara Bow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxo_99eaEEA

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lovely scarf, savoury. I've been searching for something similar...

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[quote]Originally posted by Kawaii
"I hold the mountains in my mind and work to climb them. With every inch I climb, I can show others the boulders on the rock face, and that’s what they’ll see when I smile at them. A slice of the mountainside. Not the green-eyed girl huddling scared behind it. If ever I let the charade slip, there would be nothing left but darkness. In some people’s eyes, the mountain flickers. Others’ eyes cut through. I’m terrified. But at the same time, I crave it. I crave for someone to call out “What do you think you’re doing? You’re not really a mountain, that’s just silly. I see you behind there! I know you’re fighting. I know you’re scared. Come out, for once, and let me touch you.” If someone ever said that, the stone would break down. I know it would. And I’d break down too, like a child. I’d huddle in their arms and cry.
But the tension is still on, because no one has ever called out those words. Some have looked like they were about to, but they always run away. Thing is, they’re just as scared as I am, and they’re pretending too."

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Thanks. It was one of my old diary scribbles. I used to find it easier to write about emotional stuff by writing from the perspective of an imaginary character, and that's the case here (hence the 'green eyes'; I don't have green eyes).

Oh yes... you are quite the babyface. So many babies on this forum. I was a babyface too until the onset of my perma-5 o'clock shadow and increasingly clef chin. So, in some ways, I relate.

You're still hovering on the edge of babyfacedness. Admit it.

It is interesting to know how our behavior changes due to factors completely outside of our control... such as appearance. I also wonder how much appearance alludes to temperament... do soft features generally imply a 'soft' personality? Do course features imply toughness? I'm sure there is some interplay between the nature/nurture component of it all. Also how long does one hold to these behavioral tactics? Do they outlast the appearance? I've met some 50 year-olds who act like babies... maybe they were former babyfaces who never re-adapted...

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"Life never becomes a habit to me. It's always a marvel." -- K. Mansfield

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Thanks. It was one of my old diary scribbles. I used to find it easier to write about emotional stuff by writing from the perspective of an imaginary character, and that's the case here (hence the 'green eyes'; I don't have green eyes).

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You're still hovering on the edge of babyfacedness. Admit it.

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I think it's more a matter of how our natural tendencies evolve strategies in interaction with our looks (i.e. how to take advantage of what we're stuck with) than a matter of looks actually changing our personality. Some babyfaces take advantage of their looks to play coquette, but I lack those personality traits and was never able to do that. I've tried maybe once or twice very deliberately; the effect is stiff and awkward (major sx-laster here). Instead I do the 'precocious "kid" who acts professional' gig, which is something plenty of babyfaced people wouldn't do. Different personalities use the same circumstances for different strategies. As another example, one of my best friends, a 9w1, has CP and very limited use of her right arm. It bothers her that she can't do as much as others can, and one of the things that seems to bother her the most about it is that she needs help and sometimes has to depend on others. I've never seen an indication from her of having a "freak complex" about her arm. I've had a "freak complex" over much lesser things, and if one of my arms was partially paralyzed due to CP, that would be a big part of my reaction. I realize that negative reactions to circumstances are different from strategic ones, but I think they evolve similarly.

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