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marie
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 Posted - 09 Oct 2009 : 09:08:37 AM
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Groovy Origin: 1937
The first to be in the groove were African-American jazz musicians, early in the 1930s. They are no longer around to tell us where this groove came from, but scholars have speculated. Maybe it began with that relatively new invention, the phonograph, whose sound came out right when the needle was in the groove; maybe the musicians--virtually all of them men--were creating yet another metaphor for sex. No matter. What matters is the Cool (1949) sound when a player is really in the groove, not forcing the music but letting it flow. "The jazz musicians gave no grandstand performances," wrote an admiring reviewer in 1933, "they simply got a great burn from playing in the groove."
It could be summed up with the word groovy, defined in 1937 as a "state of mind which is conducive to good playing." Before long, there were groovy audiences as well as groovy performers, and by the 1940s things in general could be groovy. Love was groovy, skating was groovy, even pitching a no-hit baseball game was groovy. (By the way, since the early 1900s, the center of the strike zone in baseball has been known as the groove, and a pitcher who throws a fastball there is said to be grooving.)
Groovy was in the air everywhere in the hip, laid-back counterculture of the 1960s, when feeling groovy was the ultimate ambition and praise, as well as the title of a hit song. To groove was "to have fun." "Life as it is really grooves," declares a fictional letter from a group of groovy young dropouts in a 1969 short story by John Updike. |
Edited by - marie on 09 Oct 2009 09:10:15 AM |
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manda7panda
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Posted - 09 Oct 2009 : 09:22:49 AM
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Wow... uh, I think I was just going for a word that conveyed a feeling approximately conveying a combination of interesting, unusual/unique, likeable, laid-back and fun to be around. But to put those words in a list, for me, loses the feeling content. I considered "cool" but didn't want it confused with the usages of "cool" that convey machismo, false image, contrived popularity. I could have said "neat" but that also has multiple meanings and doesn't necessarily convey the laid-back aspect.
If we had a two-thumbs-up emoticon I could have just used that. 
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Edited by - manda7panda on 09 Oct 2009 09:24:05 AM |
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amande
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Posted - 09 Oct 2009 : 5:44:10 PM
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This whole thread--OMGYES.
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NineishMan
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Posted - 10 Oct 2009 : 4:00:16 PM
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Originally posted by NineishMan
we Nines wanna be seen without the hard work, without the accomplishments, without all that cosmetic stuff. So we expect people to do the effort to see us
And they should because you are a person and that is reason enough to be seen.
Exactly what i need to come out of the shadows...
I'd suggest you try this one on your co-worker.
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9angel
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 5:11:51 PM
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I think 9s really appreciate it when another notices us in our struggles and ask if they can help (and means it). We're very often so attuned to when someone else is struggling with something or needs something (like 2s in that way), but find it difficult to ask when we are (don't want to be a bother). So, when someone recognizes this and comes to support us, whether in big ways or small, we are *extremely* grateful. And we feel seen which is incredible! That is because we really don't expect it or feel entitled to it, so it's really, really nice! :-)
What else feels good is being told, "You make a really good point, I hadn't seen it that way..." Yes! There is a lot that 9s can see in a situation, in a discussion, that they don't get to express. A lot of times it's because the more extroverted types jump in and take over right away. And we're sitting there thinking, "there is a layer that goes so much deeper than what they are saying". Sometimes the pressure of knowing this gets so strong and we'll just jump right in: "I have something to say!" and sure enough, many times people do respond with (after getting over their shock that this quiet "withdrawn" person is speaking up), "that's a really great point"; and the discussion starts down an entirely new and more insightful and productive track.
But it's helpful for someone to seek that out from a 9 and give him or her the pace to do it. Good facilitators do this by, first, saying something like "let's all take 5 minutes to jot down some thoughts" (thus allowing the more introverted personalities to settle down inside and allowing for "space" in the room) and then in the course of the conversation, to ask those who haven't yet spoken up if they'd like to add something. That is really helpful for 9s (and others that may be more introverted/"shy").
I'm with a lot of the other 9s here in that I don't like to be made the center of attention! But I DO like to have my voice heard; I do want influence in the situation, as much as anyone--especially when I feel that I am seeing the bigger picture and therefore how everyone can get what they need and desire in the situation. As a 9, I do most of the time feel this IS possible! :-)
Another thing I can think of that has stayed with me for years is that a friend once told me she always thinks of inviting me to her dinner parties because I was a "sparkler". I didn't know what she meant and she explained that she valued how I was able to keep the conversation going, having everyone's voice included while also keeping things pleasant and humorous, in other words, harmonious. Stimulating and yet harmonious! That was wonderful to hear and something I didn't recognize in myself as being worth anything and here I learned that it was.
What she didn't know was that the next morning I always felt this awfulness...coming from the sense that I was **too** out there, that is, expressing myself. Took years to learn what that was all about and to heal that. Having been "out there" made me feel **ashamed**, like someone might if they had gotten rip-roaring drunk and danced on the table the night before, only I was just really getting into a great conversation! Ugh. So, it's also nice for a 9 to hear, "I loved how you spoke up!", or "I love how you asserted yourself!"--and mean it.
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manda7panda
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 7:53:43 PM
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Thanks, 9angel. I've really been enjoying the responses, insight and suggestions that you and others have posted in this thread. Educational, interesting, and helpful. Suitable for immediate application.
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NineishMan
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 8:09:30 PM
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Hi 9angel! Interesting, this last post you made. I can see the tendency in myself of not expecting to be seen. A month ago, i made a post in this very thread about the feeling of not being seen even if i ran naked on the street; yes it's that extreme with me sometimes. I can also see the tendency of staying quiet in a meeting, while the more assertive types are dominating. I do not think it's a matter of extroversion versus introversion, more a matter of typical Nineish slowness, but perhaps it's different for more introverted Nines.
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What she didn't know was that the next morning I always felt this awfulness...coming from the sense that I was **too** out there, that is, expressing myself. Took years to learn what that was all about and to heal that. Having been "out there" made me feel **ashamed**, like someone might if they had gotten rip-roaring drunk and danced on the table the night before, only I was just really getting into a great conversation! Ugh.
I find this very surprising for a Nine, and so contradictory to our typical diluted feeling of self. I would expect this rather for a Four. Are you sure it's shame that you're feeling? Or are you angry? Angry because you have stayed quiet so many times to keep the peace or because you don't feel important enough? Angry because you didn't have that great conversation earlier? Don't you often feel angry for staying quiet and going along with other (more assertive) people's agenda?
I apologise if i'm being too confronting and/or intruding.
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Edited by - NineishMan on 07 Nov 2009 8:10:24 PM |
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Question for 9's about being noticed
