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enneathing
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 Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 9:32:29 PM
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Can anyone give me an example (preferably including a video link) of someone they believe to be a Very Healthy Four? Also include what you think their wing subtype and IV stacking are.
I'll include my own input on this later. First, I want to see what people come up with. |
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 11:27:12 PM
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I think Ashton Kutcher is a health 4w3. But now that I said that people will probably claim that he is a 3 or 7 or some other nonsense. If I were to guess his stacking I would probably say so/sx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyWRRoO9w6w
Another healthy 4 is me of course, but the only video I have to share is a weird artistic one made by my 5w4 friend in which I am just a voiceless muse.
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amande
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 11:30:49 PM
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I think Angelina Jolie might be an example of a healthy 4, integrating to 1. I don't know what the wing is; when she was younger (and less healthy) she seemed more 4w5 but now like more of a 4w3. Sx/sp, probably.
9w1 sp/sx INFP |
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marie
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 11:36:15 PM
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Ashton Kutcher? I'm thinking maybe be a Nine? Soc/sx? I guess he could be a Seven. He looks too slow to be a Seven, but sometimes it happens. He seems like a sunny optimist to me anyway. Yeah...I really can't see Four.
I don't see how you can tell whether someone is healthy from an external perspective. I think you have to know someone intimately. But I would go with Jose Saramago and Isabel Allende, as seemingly healthy and probably Fours. (Two of my favorite authors, especially Isabel.)
Reasonably healthy because disciplined, productive and involved. |
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faultyideal
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 12:23:18 AM
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Maynard James Keenan is a 4w5. If not healthy, he is getting close to it.
I think this interview is a good example of him lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOlTmwLCtg
"If I can't heal from my art, then how can you heal?"
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Edited by - faultyideal on 14 Oct 2009 12:31:59 AM |
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enneathing
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 04:53:00 AM
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pinkladyapples: I would agree with marie that Ashton Kutcher is probably a Nine. Why do you think 4w3?
amande: I agree, but I think Angelina is definitely 4w3 and also probably sp/sx
marie: Do you have an opinion on their stackings/wing?
faultyideal: Do you have an opinion on his stacking?
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faultyideal
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 11:15:16 AM
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I'm not too sure on that. But if I were to take a guess I might say sp/sx. He uses his intensity and art to maintain his lifestyle. He doesn't strike me as a social type but I could be wrong.
I'm starting to agree with marie though. Anyone famous I could think of maintains some sort of a public persona. I'm not too sure they'd want their unhealthiness to come to light.
INFP Type 4 so/sx |
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randy mizer
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 11:19:36 AM
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ouxu905
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 1:48:39 PM
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gwen stefani - a healthy 4w3?
4w5 sx/sp
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"It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." --oscar wilde
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Desdemona
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 2:51:34 PM
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Originally posted by pinkladyapples
I think Ashton Kutcher is a health 4w3. But now that I said that people will probably claim that he is a 3 or 7 or some other nonsense. If I were to guess his stacking I would probably say so/sx.
What makes you think Ashton Kutcher is a 4? I don't see anything very fourish about him.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing - Helen Keller
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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Desdemona
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 3:03:19 PM
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Originally posted by marie
Ashton Kutcher? I'm thinking maybe be a Nine? Soc/sx? I guess he could be a Seven. He looks too slow to be a Seven, but sometimes it happens. He seems like a sunny optimist to me anyway. Yeah...I really can't see Four.
Eureka. I would've said 7 off the top of my head, but when I watched that clip, I was surprised how much he reminds me of my 9w8 brother in that interview. Very, very much.
Btw, my brother could at times be very easily mistaken for a 3 at first impression, and somewhat less so for a 6. I'd agree that Ashton is most prob so/sx. (My bro is sp/sx, which makes him much less outgoing, but with people he knows well, he is so much like that video.)
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I don't see how you can tell whether someone is healthy from an external perspective.
Good point.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing - Helen Keller
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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Desdemona
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 3:07:22 PM
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My opinion -
Angelina Jolie sx/sp 6w7 cp
Gwen Stefani sx/so 6w7
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing - Helen Keller
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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enneathing
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 3:26:18 PM
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Originally posted by randy mizer
Angelina Jolie = sx 6w7
I've considered that before, but I'm still not sure. If she's a 4, she's definitely 4w3 and imo sp/sx. If she's a 6, she's definitely sx.
Gwen Stefani I would agree is probably 6w7.
I've been known to state before I don't think you can really know if anyone besides your self is healthy, nor can you really know their type, it's all mere speculation. However, you can still find people you think personify certain characteristics of the type, whether healthy and unhealthy. Whether you perception is what is actually the case is another thing altogether.
I think Regina Spektor is a healthy 4w5.
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JoL
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 6:40:04 PM
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A healthy 4 would be doing lots of creating...spinning beautiful creations out of the ordinary. How about Don Riso?
9/1 sx/sp
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 6:42:08 PM
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Regina Spektor is a 4w3.
Alanis Morisette |
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goodmourning
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 7:56:11 PM
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marie
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:44:42 PM
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Originally posted by enneathing
marie: Do you have an opinion on their stackings/wing?
I think Isabel Allende is an sx/sp Four with Three. Maybe sp/sx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVUlJFaDpLM&feature=player_embedded
Saramago seems soc/sp Four with Five (the most intellectual Four). There's no real helpful youtube video for him. |
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:44:43 PM
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The healthier one is the harder it is to recognize his or her type.
It is hard to explain why I think Aston is a 4. I think it is his emotional intensity and just his energy in general. Even though he is silly and confident, you can still see this sensitive, self-conscious child inside of him. I think his pranks and silliness are his form of creativity, and because he has a three wing, he presents this to the world.
He is not always "on" like a seven is, and he is not too focused on being the best as a three is. He is too intense and self-conscious to be a nine.
Of course this is only my lowly opinion, and I could be wrong. But for some reason, I just feel his fourishness.
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:49:39 PM
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Originally posted by JoL
A healthy 4 would be doing lots of creating...spinning beautiful creations out of the ordinary. How about Don Riso?
9/1 sx/sp
A healthy four would actually not be doing lots of creating because they would see enough creativeness and beauty in their everyday existence. They would no longer need to create art to heighten their emotions.
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marie
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:51:23 PM
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Originally posted by pinkladyapples
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Originally posted by JoL
A healthy 4 would be doing lots of creating...spinning beautiful creations out of the ordinary. How about Don Riso?
9/1 sx/sp
A healthy four would actually not be doing lots of creating because they would see enough creativeness and beauty in their everyday existence. They would no longer need to create art to heighten their emotions.
4w5 so/sx4w5 so/sx
From what I understand he seems to spend a lot of time tweeting. He's made some commercials lately too, from what I understand. |
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:58:48 PM
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Let me rephrase that. A healthy four is still creative, but what they create now has less to do with their emotional states, and more to do with contributing something meaningful to the world.
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marie
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 8:59:43 PM
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Originally posted by pinkladyapples
Let me rephrase that. A healthy four is still creative, but what they create now has less to do with their emotional states, and more to do with contributing something meaningful to the world.
4w5 so/sx4w5 so/sx
And Ashton has done this...how?
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 9:14:03 PM
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A healthy four's creativity could even be something as simple as being a good father or making people laugh.
You don't have to agree with me on the Ashton thing. It is just something I feel and can't explain. Even if he is not a four, he does have many fourish qualities the reside under the surface. Maybe only another four would notice them.
BTW, his character on That 70s Show is definitely not a four and shows no fourish characteristics. I never even thought of his enneagram type until I saw him in interviews.
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marie
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 9:16:53 PM
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Originally posted by pinkladyapples
. Even if he is not a four, he does have many fourish qualities the reside under the surface. Maybe only another four would notice them.
4w5 so/sx4w5 so/sx
That must be it. |
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pinkladyapples
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 9:30:23 PM
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So what makes you think he is a nine?
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marie
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 9:38:19 PM
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Originally posted by pinkladyapples
So what makes you think he is a nine?
4w5 so/sx4w5 so/sx
Actually I don't think much about him at all...but I get easy going vibes. He doesn't strike me as someone who has suffered much or has had any attraction to suffering. Not too big on deep thought either. I'd go with Nine with Eight soc/sx (I wouldn't rule out a slow kind of Seven though.)Most Fours incite more of a response in me. They seem more exceptional, more wounded, more snobby. Ashton's kind of an All American. |
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