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the_eye
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 Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 04:46:26 AM
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Annie Lenox is spooky enough to be a 4w5 INFJ IMO. One thing she is not is so/sp.
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faultyideal
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 08:21:30 AM
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Originally posted by faultyideal
Maynard James Keenan is a 4w5. If not healthy, he is getting close to it.
I think this interview is a good example of him lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOlTmwLCtg
"If I can't heal from my art, then how can you heal?"
INFP Type 4 so/sx
Here's one when he's a little bit less healthy, earlier on in his band's carreer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grX2SZEe27w
Kind of uncomfortable, closed off, not looking at the interviewer in the eye unless he is bs-ing her. Around 1:50 she actually starts bending down to look him in the eyes but he just stares at the ground.
Now I have no idea about his stacking though
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lovexsaidxno
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 08:35:47 AM
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I don't think Maynard James Keenan is a 4, i don't know much about him, except that his band is overrated. There's a place 4s relate from that strikes me as a kind of a highly aestheticized inner place that runs against consensus reality. Maynard has some of that, but I guess 5/4, Tool's music videos really strike me as 5ish, it's drier and less personalized then 4 vibes.
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faultyideal
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 09:07:20 AM
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Originally posted by lovexsaidxno
I don't think Maynard James Keenan is a 4, i don't know much about him, except that his band is overrated. There's a place 4s relate from that strikes me as a kind of a highly aestheticized inner place that runs against consensus reality. Maynard has some of that, but I guess 5/4, Tool's music videos really strike me as 5ish, it's drier and less personalized then 4 vibes.
First of all, Tool is the bestestest band in the world... kidding.
And their videos are 5ish well, because they are made by a 5, Tool's guitarist Adam Jones. They are kind of dry, cold, alienated...
I don't know much about him because I don't know him personally, but his life story and how he approaches life is very 4ish.
But since I don't know him, I accept any other views about him.
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Veiled One
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 09:21:51 AM
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Always considered Maynard James Keenan as a Five. The way he carried himself is stiff, highstrung, inflexible. Fours have a much softer cushioning effect.
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faultyideal
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 09:58:59 AM
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There's a video of Tool playing Sober live.
Maynard is sneering, shaking, pulling at his clothes, staring off at nothing but intensely, stumbling. How Maynard acts in that video I've either thought of before as a jerky 5ness or as just someone acting out rage on stage. His lyrics are more personal and emotional, but of course that doesn't mean he's not a 5.
Eccentric
Mysterious
Emotional
Confrontational
Personal
Spiritual
Aesthetic (he was an interior designer for pet stores before getting into a band)
Found it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_c60Sp7Gtc
Tool as a whole is 4ish/5ish in general imo.
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Edited by - faultyideal on 28 Oct 2009 09:59:35 AM |
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 10:53:42 AM
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Always considered Maynard James Keenan as a Five. The way he carried himself is stiff, highstrung, inflexible. Fours have a much softer cushioning effect.
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Any opinion on Francis Bacon?
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Edited by - Scorpionical on 28 Oct 2009 11:03:13 AM |
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Veiled One
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faultyideal
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 1:37:24 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
7w6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oLNo9q51zc
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Welcome back Princess 
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, i don't know much about him, except that his band is overrated. There's a place 4s relate from that strikes me as a kind of a highly aestheticized inner place that runs against consensus reality. Maynard has some of that, but I guess 5/4, Tool's music videos really strike me as 5ish, it's drier and less personalized then 4 vibes.
Personal taste, I disagree. I find him inspirational |
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marie
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 3:14:41 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Always considered Maynard James Keenan as a Five. The way he carried himself is stiff, highstrung, inflexible. Fours have a much softer cushioning effect.
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Would you consider a Six wing for him...and a sx/soc stacking? (He seems too openly confrontational to be a Four winger. And he's very masculine.) |
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 4:04:08 PM
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Veiled One
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marie
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 4:54:58 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lep7E5nvJAk
Well, I think this video is posted a long time ago and we thought he's sp/sx...
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Hmmm....he's been very busy, had a lot of interests and lived many lives for an sp Five.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maynard_James_Keenan
He's a man of many moods. That clip just shows one of them. And there are lots of other clips. (The variability argues against sp/sx I think. I mean he doesn't seem like awakening, sp/sx Five with Six or like heratyck, sp/sx Five with Four. I don't know any sx/soc Fives with Six myself.)
Speaking just for myself, depending on my mood, I could come across as almost schizoid...or as a fun lovin Seven.
But does an sp Five go here:
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marie
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 4:59:37 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpionical
Why not 6w5?
He kind of looks like a Six with Five whom I know....but to me at least, he smells of essential idiosyncrasy. |
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Veiled One
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 5:02:18 PM
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I am not familiar with him or his art. So I don't think I have the material to argue too much on him.
When it comes to the stage though, Fives can act out. I don't know about how far the sp/sx's will go when the stage isolates them. It's after all *in art* and not in life.
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 5:43:05 PM
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 6:22:12 PM
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Keenan talks in one of the above vids about the creative potential of anger - and the need for it. That sounds like w6 mixing with SX (because other than that he certainly doesn't come across as embodied).
I listen to him and for me it's similar to Portishead..His music is creating environments and mood.It's thick. Infising the enviroment with the second instinct, and the morbidity of the first. I think of that as an sp thing. He's also obsessed with interior spaces, feng shui ,ect..If he's an sp last I'm perplexed again by the instincts.
He could well be but it just doesn't make sense for me right now.I could see Bacon as sp/sx too and I don't really like his art altogether that much but he's interesting. |
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Veiled One
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 6:39:25 PM
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I have aestrivex as sp/sx. He doesn't have much sx preoccuptions I will argue. sx does not equal confrontational and aggressive. Sure, their energy tends to cause reactions from others, but to me sx has no ownership to aggression.
Some might even call sx the "make love not war" instinct, but I am not going to go that far yet.
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Scorpionical
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 7:41:11 PM
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I have aestrivex as sp/sx. He doesn't have much sx preoccuptions I will argue. sx does not equal confrontational and aggressive. Sure, their energy tends to cause reactions from others, but to me sx has no ownership to aggression.
Some might even call sx the "make love not war" instinct, but I am not going to go that far yet.
I can see that too. I had a 5w6 in my art class I thought sp/soc. Warning about the dangers of ingesting pastel. I liked him alot too..The only interesting person in the class |
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randy mizer
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 8:07:37 PM
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randy mizer - Sorry, no I wasn't suggesting you were unhealthy, I was worried it would come across that way. I was actually referring to the fact that I've been feeling unhealthy lately, so people in general haven't been appearing particularly healthy.
You do seem like an idealist, and I'm one too, but I've found that letting go the idealistic images we have of other people and ourselves is the best to see them for they truly are, and to see the best in them. I hope you find the 'higher' love you're searching for.
I was just picking on you enneathing ... I know I'm rather disgustingly unhealthy, so I'm not bothered if you were hinting at it. I do agree with you; that's why I really don't hold people to these ridiculous standards of mine and just let them be (human or alien or whatever) ... but that changes once somebody tries to advance really close to me; my attitude then switches to more of an all-or-nothing expectation.
It seems the ideal for me is just about as unattainable as reaching the edge of infinity. I have pretty much all but accepted the fate that I will be alone for all of my life.
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thesingularsensation
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faultyideal
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 9:26:33 PM
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I still see him as a 4w5.
Look at Lateralus and most of the tracks off of Aenima and tell me you can't see a 4. You can't know a person unless you've known his art.
But you've proved me wrong.
Still I hold my convictions haha.
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Edited by - faultyideal on 28 Oct 2009 9:28:09 PM |
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Scorpionical
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Example of a Very Healthy Four
