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lovexsaidxno
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 Posted - 17 Oct 2009 : 10:01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Diane
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Originally posted by skunk
Some of the deepest connections I ever made with another person were with intuitive Sevens.
I love their intelligence and their lack of defensiveness, their non-judgementalism, their ability to take people as they find them. And I love their love of life. Their interpersonal intuition can be unnerving though; I swear I've known 7w6s with eyes in the back of their head.
Funny, because I often see 7's to be shallow, flighty, unfocussed, materialistic, unsatisfied, uncentered, manic, overextended and unwilling to find calm. I see little depth to their character and when I do glimpse it for a moment, it is quickly swept away with more rambling, displaced manic energy. I see the image they present as well as their accomplishments, and I do understand why people enjoy them, but I can not help but see what is underneath all that. However this is of course just with the 7's I've encountered in my life.
gee, and you wonder why people have a problem with you...
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lauratracy
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Posted - 17 Oct 2009 : 11:19:44 PM
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What an interesting thread.
5w4's? I know two very well. My major issue with them? HARD CORE CYNICISM. There's nothing as agonizing as watching someone create their own misery and abide by it. And because they're so insightful and philosophical, their justifications for being miserable are nearly impenetrable.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 12:06:44 PM
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Originally posted by lauratracy
What an interesting thread.
5w4's? I know two very well. My major issue with them? HARD CORE CYNICISM. There's nothing as agonizing as watching someone create their own misery and abide by it. And because they're so insightful and philosophical, their justifications for being miserable are nearly impenetrable.
3w4 sx/sp (sx by a smidge)
Everything is broken.
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Sokerila
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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 9:53:35 PM
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They wear glasses.
See? Glasses. I hate glasses.
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enforest
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 12:54:20 AM
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I don't think anyone pointed this out to you, but your willingness to change your behaviour or accomodate others (especially people who have an instant dislike to you) might actually be motivated by your type's ego fixation.
I know I often can't deal with the idea that people instantly dislike me without me having done anything to deserve it. It makes me feel powerless and like I'm not really in control of my own person, since I can still get hurt when I haven't sent anything out into the world.
Living in harmony with the world for a 5 means assuming our instinctual energies and becoming an evolving force in the world. It often means for me turning away from my internal refuge and beginning to use my gifts to affect others in positive ways. I've noticed recently how strong I can really be if I'm involved in something, if I fight for a cause other than just my own self-protection and survival. Otherwise, I tend to clam up and not rise above my own fears.
And as a sx-first, I can be fiercely protective of other individuals because my focus is often on how precious and unique each person can be. It makes me feel so fulfilled and alive when I can protect others and help them grow.
We already waste so much time trying to mitigate what we allow ourselves to share, making sure we affect others in just the way we want without getting too entangled. There comes a time when this becomes unbearably exhausting.
Anyway, this might have been slightly off from what your inquiry actually was about, but I feel it stems along similar lines. So hopefully it speaks to you somehow.
There are even moments where I enjoy people trying to take advantage of me. I love the confrontation, where I finally get to act with confidence. Those moments are so powerful, they mean a lot to me.
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marie
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 08:12:38 AM
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Wow...Geogia O'Keefe!
I adore her. I can well understand that some of the "people" who post here would "dislike" her. Tastes differ. |
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the_eye
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 12:23:08 PM
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Gee. And I thought I was insane..
What I don't like about 5w4s: they're tetchy, overbearing creatures, when they're not overprotective with others (as 5s) they're tyrannical and insane. Sensitive to anything that might affect them, can become fatigued with life (like 4s so do 5s seemingly); have an appetite for violence and power but don't admit it as they often preach fair-mindedness and righteousness (like 1s), that might not respect themselves in return. Sometimes strong, weak and sensitive at other times (during which their sensitivity makes them hate suffering). Lucky to them in healthier cases they're energetic and original or claim to be like that.
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the_eye
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 12:29:28 PM
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We're antagonists of basically anything that can be put in front of us, perhaps because we don't like being controlled - is it good? is it bad? I don't know.
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marie
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 12:36:03 PM
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Originally posted by skunk
The combination is faintly grotesque, if you don't mind me saying so. I'm just in that sort of mood.
I don't mind at all! |
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the_eye
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 12:40:46 PM
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"Faintly", "if you don't mind me saying so"?! I don't like the lack of trust in your own words (as a 5w4 which I think you also are).
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dfgray44
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 1:50:15 PM
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by skunk
The combination is faintly grotesque, if you don't mind me saying so. I'm just in that sort of mood.
I don't mind at all!
Yeah, there's some kind of oddly-executed 'good girl' motif at play. It has something to do with a perfectly unconscious need to be an impediment. My sense is that, abstractly speaking, she doesn't want her father to see anyone else but her, so she blocks others from being seen by him....or blocks them from being seen as 'good' or correct...or something.
The desire seems to be to scramble the other person's communication waves so that their audio/video transmission becomes completely unintelligible, and thereby unreceivable by 'sky father'.
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marie
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 1:53:35 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by skunk
The combination is faintly grotesque, if you don't mind me saying so. I'm just in that sort of mood.
I don't mind at all!
Yeah, there's some kind of oddly-executed 'good girl' motif at play. It has something to do with a perfectly unconscious need to be an impediment. My sense is that, abstractly speaking, she doesn't want her father to see anyone else but her, so she blocks others from being seen by him....or blocks them from being seen as 'good' or correct...or something.
The desire seems to be to scramble the other person's communication waves so that their audio/video transmission becomes completely unintelligible, and thereby unreceivable by 'sky father'.
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the_eye
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 2:17:43 PM
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Originally posted by skunk
I like you the_eye. I think you're one of the most authentic, ballsy, tell-it-as-it-is characters who ever came here (even if I seldom know what you're on about).
I wouldn't change you for anything.
I enjoy very your presence on these E boards skunk, I find you a far more authentic and interesting presence than my anxieties and outbursts here; won't mind saying they're often signs of mere stupidity coming from me. You're neat.
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the_eye
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 2:26:27 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
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Originally posted by marie
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Originally posted by skunk
The combination is faintly grotesque, if you don't mind me saying so. I'm just in that sort of mood.
I don't mind at all!
Yeah, there's some kind of oddly-executed 'good girl' motif at play. It has something to do with a perfectly unconscious need to be an impediment. My sense is that, abstractly speaking, she doesn't want her father to see anyone else but her, so she blocks others from being seen by him....or blocks them from being seen as 'good' or correct...or something.
The desire seems to be to scramble the other person's communication waves so that their audio/video transmission becomes completely unintelligible, and thereby unreceivable by 'sky father'.
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Lol, where you come from with all this..rambling?
You two are 'blocking' others on many threads from having normal conversations on the subject.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 21 Oct 2009 : 3:21:55 PM
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Originally posted by the_eye
Lol, where you come from with all this..rambling?
You two are 'blocking' others on many threads from having normal conversations on the subject.
'mich interessiert kein Gleichgewicht/ mir scheint die Sonne ins Gesicht'
My post was the reverse of a ramble. Incisive, to those with eyes to see.
This is the problem with existing as only one eye....poor depth perception.
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Scorpionical
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Diane
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 8:15:37 PM
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Originally posted by enforest
I don't think anyone pointed this out to you, but your willingness to change your behaviour or accomodate others (especially people who have an instant dislike to you) might actually be motivated by your type's ego fixation.
I know I often can't deal with the idea that people instantly dislike me without me having done anything to deserve it. It makes me feel powerless and like I'm not really in control of my own person, since I can still get hurt when I haven't sent anything out into the world.
Living in harmony with the world for a 5 means assuming our instinctual energies and becoming an evolving force in the world. It often means for me turning away from my internal refuge and beginning to use my gifts to affect others in positive ways. I've noticed recently how strong I can really be if I'm involved in something, if I fight for a cause other than just my own self-protection and survival. Otherwise, I tend to clam up and not rise above my own fears.
And as a sx-first, I can be fiercely protective of other individuals because my focus is often on how precious and unique each person can be. It makes me feel so fulfilled and alive when I can protect others and help them grow.
We already waste so much time trying to mitigate what we allow ourselves to share, making sure we affect others in just the way we want without getting too entangled. There comes a time when this becomes unbearably exhausting.
Anyway, this might have been slightly off from what your inquiry actually was about, but I feel it stems along similar lines. So hopefully it speaks to you somehow.
There are even moments where I enjoy people trying to take advantage of me. I love the confrontation, where I finally get to act with confidence. Those moments are so powerful, they mean a lot to me.
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Diane
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 8:20:12 PM
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Originally posted by enforest
I don't think anyone pointed this out to you, but your willingness to change your behaviour or accomodate others (especially people who have an instant dislike to you) might actually be motivated by your type's ego fixation.
I know I often can't deal with the idea that people instantly dislike me without me having done anything to deserve it. It makes me feel powerless and like I'm not really in control of my own person, since I can still get hurt when I haven't sent anything out into the world.
Yes, this is very true. What is my type's ego fixation? Can you explain this more to me? |
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Sokerila
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 03:30:31 AM
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Scorpionical, why are you posting that?
Just don't understand.
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carlos
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 03:54:38 AM
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Yeah, there's some kind of oddly-executed 'good girl' motif at play. It has something to do with a perfectly unconscious need to be an impediment. My sense is that, abstractly speaking, she doesn't want her father to see anyone else but her, so she blocks others from being seen by him....or blocks them from being seen as 'good' or correct...or something.
The desire seems to be to scramble the other person's communication waves so that their audio/video transmission becomes completely unintelligible, and thereby unreceivable by 'sky father'.
someone should really revoke your thinking privileges.
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Edited by - carlos on 24 Oct 2009 04:14:16 AM |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 1:41:10 PM
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Originally posted by carlos
someone should really revoke your thinking privileges.
Ambassador to the Savage Tribes
They did. Pure intuition/sensing/feeling now.
You've got a similar thing (as marie) working. It's a factor with the_eye too, so this makes it apropos to the subject of this thread...although I'd add our dear friend, Mr Skidmore (4w5), to the mix.
In all of you, there's a 'spiritual' steel trap that you were born with which has only two characteristics - it opens once in a lifetime (then closes forever), and it's perfectly inviolable once it re-closes.
What happens is, there's an "ancient moment" which takes place in 'ritual space' wherein the trap opens and grabs one spiritual/moral concept birthed of a purely Feeling-based need for a belief which will act as psychological support in a universe that was perceived to be too daunting to participate in otherwise.
The problem is that the belief, because of its singularity (and its pure 'Feeling' nature), misses or ignores many things, and therefore isn't worthy of being held so high aloft and untouchable. Unfortunately though, "it's too late" - this thing will now act as a 'prejudice-maker' throughout the lifespan.
The whole complex has a One-ish feel to it, but it's even more austere and imperiously stark because it takes hold inside a much more expansive multi-dimensional awareness than Ones are typically capable of.
The outside observer is thus struck with sadness at witnessing this injustice perpetrated against the self (and the cosmos) - a sacrosanct steel box carrying pure 'heart' cargo, caught in the Cosmic Web, shining ancient and futuristic - and reflecting its light (its slight) onto Earth.
To better understand, meditate on the concept of "injuring with light".
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carlos
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 2:14:51 PM
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They did. Pure intuition/sensing/feeling now.
You've got a similar thing (as marie) working. It's a factor with the_eye too, so this makes it apropos to the subject of this thread...although I'd add our dear friend, Mr Skidmore (4w5), to the mix.
In all of you, there's a 'spiritual' steel trap that you were born with which has only two characteristics - it opens once in a lifetime (then closes forever), and it's perfectly inviolable once it re-closes.
What happens is, there's an "ancient moment" which takes place in 'ritual space' wherein the trap opens and grabs one spiritual/moral concept birthed of a purely Feeling-based need for a belief which will act as psychological support in a universe that was perceived to be too daunting to participate in otherwise.
The problem is that the belief, because of its singularity (and its pure 'Feeling' nature), misses or ignores many things, and therefore isn't worthy of being held so high aloft and untouchable. Unfortunately though, "it's too late" - this thing will now act as a 'prejudice-maker' throughout the lifespan.
The whole complex has a One-ish feel to it, but it's even more austere and imperiously stark because it takes hold inside a much more expansive multi-dimensional awareness than Ones are typically capable of.
The outside observer is thus struck with sadness at witnessing this injustice perpetrated against the self (and the cosmos) - a sacrosanct steel box carrying pure 'heart' cargo, caught in the Cosmic Web, shining ancient and futuristic - and reflecting its light (its slight) onto Earth.
To better understand, meditate on the concept of "injuring with light".
you're certainly very creative, that's for sure.
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marie
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 2:26:50 PM
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Originally posted by carlos
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They did. Pure intuition/sensing/feeling now.
You've got a similar thing (as marie) working. It's a factor with the_eye too, so this makes it apropos to the subject of this thread...although I'd add our dear friend, Mr Skidmore (4w5), to the mix.
In all of you, there's a 'spiritual' steel trap that you were born with which has only two characteristics - it opens once in a lifetime (then closes forever), and it's perfectly inviolable once it re-closes.
What happens is, there's an "ancient moment" which takes place in 'ritual space' wherein the trap opens and grabs one spiritual/moral concept birthed of a purely Feeling-based need for a belief which will act as psychological support in a universe that was perceived to be too daunting to participate in otherwise.
The problem is that the belief, because of its singularity (and its pure 'Feeling' nature), misses or ignores many things, and therefore isn't worthy of being held so high aloft and untouchable. Unfortunately though, "it's too late" - this thing will now act as a 'prejudice-maker' throughout the lifespan.
The whole complex has a One-ish feel to it, but it's even more austere and imperiously stark because it takes hold inside a much more expansive multi-dimensional awareness than Ones are typically capable of.
The outside observer is thus struck with sadness at witnessing this injustice perpetrated against the self (and the cosmos) - a sacrosanct steel box carrying pure 'heart' cargo, caught in the Cosmic Web, shining ancient and futuristic - and reflecting its light (its slight) onto Earth.
To better understand, meditate on the concept of "injuring with light".
you're certainly very creative, that's for sure.
Ambassador to the Savage Tribes
Lol...there is such thing as creation ex nihilo after all.
(But why anyone would ever take this sort of diamond quartz silliness seriously...that remains a fundamental mystery.) |
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Dee
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 3:02:12 PM
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I dislike the sexual 5w4 for getting into my head - Uchtungbaby - love/hate
I appreciate the more precise social 5w4 for an open mind - CD
I haven't met any other 5w4s on here that I can remember. Been here for many years too. Lot's of sx/6w5's is an understatement.
*DO NOT TRESPASS*
4w3 sx/sp/so
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shakti
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 3:11:08 PM
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| Nice work, Dee, that fabulous three wing it's sure got some swing. |
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what do people dislike about 5w4's?
