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Classi
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 11:22:53 AM
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No doubt it's been done before but let's do it again because afterall, life and history are simply endless repetition.
I have studied many authors in the course of my degree and base the following typings (which I hope raise discussion) mainly on the author's works. Do people agree that authors put so much of themeselves into their characters that you can type authors based on the books they've written?
So my typefodder as follows
Here goes nothing....
J.D Salinger 6w7 or 7w6 sx/so
Henry James 5w4 sp/sx
Edith Wharton 3w4 so/sx
Chinua Achebe 8w9 so/sp
Charles dickens 7w6 so/sx
Jane Austen 2w1 sp/so
Oscar Wilde 4w3 sx/so
Daphne du Maurier 4w5 or 6w5 sp/sx
Mary Shelley 4w5 sp/sx
JK Rowling 9w8 sx/sp
Joseph Conrad 5w6 sp/sx
Daniel Defoe 7w8 sx/sp
Shakespeare (Don't no where to even friggin begin tbh)
Eugene O Neil 4w5 or 9w1 sx/sp
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dfgray44
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 12:13:56 PM
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I'm not sure dickens' type, but I think he'd be sp-first or second. Place and economics are almost characters in his writing.
And an so/sx 7w6 is generally an 'up' person, not inclined toward lingering for long periods in impoverished environments.
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Veiled One
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 12:54:51 PM
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Henry James is not a Five. When I read him I need to put in extra efforts just to understand how his mind carries on, implying that there's something completely alien to my native mind-structure.
I will go with 3w4 soc/sp. Note to what nuances he could derive from social interactions, the various roles and masks people put on and off (image-center intelligence).
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck |
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crepuscule
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 1:12:08 PM
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:30:15 PM
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Henry James is definitely 5w4 sp/sx!! I agree with you Classi.
Shakespeare: 4w3 
Jane Austen: 5w4.
'mich interessiert kein Gleichgewicht/ mir scheint die Sonne ins Gesicht' |
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Veiled One
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:41:28 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Jane Austen: 1w9 sp/soc
Look at the facial tension in her portrait (sometimes paintings do reveal the inner spirit of a person enough to approximate photos)
http://chessaleeinlondon.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jane-austen.jpg
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
I do know some of her portraits, I think her facial tension works just like in Jodie Foster's case (as a hint for her type). I often have it too. She was a very good analyzer of social relationships (a social subtype perhaps?).
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Veiled One
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:45:44 PM
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I think typing Henry James as a 5w4 sp/sx shows that you have not known enough details of his biography.
Here is a blurb from my copy of The Ambassadors:
"However, the next year he moved to London, where he became so popular in society that in the winter of 1878-9 he confessed to accepting 107 invitations."
A sp/sx Five doing that?
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:54:13 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
I think typing Henry James as a 5w4 sp/sx shows that you have not known enough details of his biography.
Here is a blurb from my copy of The Ambassadors:
"However, the next year he moved to London, where he became so popular in society that in the winter of 1878-9 he confessed to accepting 107 invitations."
A sp/sx Five doing that?
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Why not?! When one becomes a star his entire life changes and that's not because of one's Etype. We very easily judge types in a qualitative manner starting with sx/so's who are "the best" and ending with sp/sx's, "the worst".
'mich interessiert kein Gleichgewicht/ mir scheint die Sonne ins Gesicht' |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:54:38 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Jane Austen: 1w9 sp/soc
Look at the facial tension in her portrait (sometimes paintings do reveal the inner spirit of a person enough to approximate photos)
http://chessaleeinlondon.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jane-austen.jpg
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
'Sense and Sensibility'. The title says it all.
The tagline from the movie: "Lose your heart and come to your senses." That's a Type One motto if I ever heard one.
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Veiled One
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:58:20 PM
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Originally posted by the_eye
Why not?! When one becomes a star his entire life changes and that's not because of one's Etype. We very easily judge types in a qualitative manner starting with sx/so's who are "the best" and ending with sp/sx's, "the worst".
Note that it's only one winter...how many days in a year is winter? If he managed to have 107 engagements with society in one winter, that meant he had, on average, more than one engagement per day...which Five can stand it? I know I can't, no matter how successful I am. It has nothing to do with quality or value judgment. It's only that Fives--they need some time alone!
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:59:21 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Jane Austen: 1w9 sp/soc
Look at the facial tension in her portrait (sometimes paintings do reveal the inner spirit of a person enough to approximate photos)
http://chessaleeinlondon.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jane-austen.jpg
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
'Sense and Sensibility'. The title says it all.
The tagline from the movie: "Lose your heart and come to your senses." That's a Type One motto if I ever heard one.
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'Pride and Prejudice' is about reason and feeling with Austen putting reason first. What does that tell you?
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Veiled One
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:00:27 PM
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1w9s are often more fixated on reasonableness than Fives.
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck |
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
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Originally posted by the_eye
Why not?! When one becomes a star his entire life changes and that's not because of one's Etype. We very easily judge types in a qualitative manner starting with sx/so's who are "the best" and ending with sp/sx's, "the worst".
Note that it's only one winter...how many days in a year is winter? If he managed to have 107 engagements with society in one winter, that meant he had, on average, more than one engagement per day...which Five can stand it? I know I can't, no matter how successful I am. It has nothing to do with quality or value judgment. It's only that Fives--they need some time alone!
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Maybe he made a concession only for one winter, after all it's not like Fives don't have other people in their faces for a long time. Normal Fives do that! And how do we know just how long an engagement lasted? One photo and an autograph and the session was gone..
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dfgray44
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:10:57 PM
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Originally posted by the_eye
'Pride and Prejudice' is about reason and feeling with Austen putting reason first. What does that tell you?
'mich interessiert kein Gleichgewicht/ mir scheint die Sonne ins Gesicht'
That screams One-ness.
From R&H:
Key Motivations: Want to be right, to strive higher and improve everything, to be consistent with their ideals, to justify themselves, to be beyond criticism so as not to be condemned by anyone.
Forced reasonableness.
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lovexsaidxno
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:19:53 PM
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eye, are you just trying to mess with people?
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The 4omantic, 5 wing.
For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.
"It seems that we are gay because we are monstrously sad. We are serious, we know the abyss. This is why we defend ourselves against all that is serious." - Nietzsche. |
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the_eye
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:21:39 PM
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Originally posted by lovexsaidxno
eye, are you just trying to mess with people?
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The 4omantic, 5 wing.
For I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union.
"It seems that we are gay because we are monstrously sad. We are serious, we know the abyss. This is why we defend ourselves against all that is serious." - Nietzsche.
I was joking in my last post. Obviously.. I am serious about the rest. What's the problem?
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Odyssey
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:40:37 PM
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Your jokes aren't funny ? 
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Classi
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 3:50:59 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I'm not sure dickens' type, but I think he'd be sp-first or second. Place and economics are almost characters in his writing.
And an so/sx 7w6 is generally an 'up' person, not inclined toward lingering for long periods in impoverished environments.
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dickens was who I struggled the most with. Like Shakespeare, he embodies so many contradicting qualities.
Yes, I remember reading Dombey and Son and there's reems of information regarding maritime trade. He's such a visual writer, I can practically see Satis House in my mind's eye now. There's also alot of tension between his characters which I guess would point to the sexual instinct.
I can't be comfortable with him as sx/sp because his characters are just so snobby and preoccupied with social conventions, the ideal of "The gentleman" being a running theme.
When I first read Great Expectations at age 16 I thought dickens was a four because of all the sentimentality and longing and the ultimate four [blocked due to guideline #4 violation] Miss Havisham. But now I think 7 because there's a strong "The grass is always greener" theme and worrying that one can never be fully satisfied.
Also, something that doesn't fit with him being sp first is the way he damaged his health by never resting and being constantly on the go. He had alot of energy! But that could just be due to him being a 7
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Classi
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 4:06:43 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
I think typing Henry James as a 5w4 sp/sx shows that you have not known enough details of his biography.
Here is a blurb from my copy of The Ambassadors:
"However, the next year he moved to London, where he became so popular in society that in the winter of 1878-9 he confessed to accepting 107 invitations."
A sp/sx Five doing that?
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
Don't know much about Henry James tbh, I studied Turn of the Screw pretty intensely and it seemed so glaringly 5w4, the way the governess projected all her fears onto her environment. The whole thing felt spooky, dark, odd and lonely so it would only widen my interest in the depth of the enneagram if he turned out to be 3w4.
I suppose it's a question of whether he wrote it because he was trying to be the best at being spooky, dark, odd and lonely or whether he was himself spooky, dark, odd and lonely.
But just a thought, I'm 4w5 sp/sx and people like me and invite me out and I go, I can look like a 3 or a 7 sometimes. I feel uncomfortable but if people are coming to me I have little defence except to withdraw which is not always possible if you are like me (living with other students) or Henry James (damn famous)
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Stormy
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 4:16:39 PM
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Originally posted by Classi
Shakespeare (Don't no where to even friggin begin tbh)
I've heard him Typed as an E7 ('Renaissance man') and an E4 (not sure on the reasoning).
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Edited by - Stormy on 04 Nov 2009 4:28:01 PM |
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Veiled One
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 4:28:01 PM
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Originally posted by Classi
Don't know much about Henry James tbh, I studied Turn of the Screw pretty intensely and it seemed so glaringly 5w4, the way the governess projected all her fears onto her environment. The whole thing felt spooky, dark, odd and lonely so it would only widen my interest in the depth of the enneagram if he turned out to be 3w4.
I suppose it's a question of whether he wrote it because he was trying to be the best at being spooky, dark, odd and lonely or whether he was himself spooky, dark, odd and lonely.
But just a thought, I'm 4w5 sp/sx and people like me and invite me out and I go, I can look like a 3 or a 7 sometimes. I feel uncomfortable but if people are coming to me I have little defence except to withdraw which is not always possible if you are like me (living with other students) or Henry James (damn famous)
I don't think the writer in person is dark, odd, lonely, or spooky at all. He is extremely popular in the high societies in England, so obviously he's not scaring anyone away.
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tagua seeds
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 4:35:16 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by the_eye
Shakespeare: 4w3
I'm no expert on Shakespeare, but I don't think he was a 4 of any kind.
Much is unknown about his personal life, especially his early adulthood, which is the best time to type somebody.
I do know, however, that in addition to being a playwrite and poet of tremendous volume and breadth, he was a competent actor and, for lack of a better word, "impresario". The equivalent of the modern-day super-producer.
He seems to have had a solid childhood and remained married to the same person all his life. Sure it is speculated that he had some extra marital affairs based on some of his poetry (rather mundane for the time), but even this is disputed.
Anyway, I see no real 4ness here. I see an incredibly gifted and prolific individual who managed a great many things and basically "held it all together". This tells me 6,7, or 9. The question is whether he's today's Woody Allen, Steven Spielberg, or George Lucas. |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 5:37:02 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I'm not sure dickens' type, but I think he'd be sp-first or second. Place and economics are almost characters in his writing.
I see what you're saying with that, yet if you read much about dickens the man, his personality comes across as very 7w6 so/sx-y. Not sure. I do think he was a 7w6, if not a so/sx.
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And an so/sx 7w6 is generally an 'up' person, not inclined toward lingering for long periods in impoverished environments.
And dickens was like this. I think his preoccupation with poverty came from his childhood, a large part of which was spent in debtor's prison.
also - Shakespeare was a 7w6
I was walking past the mental hospital the other day, and all the patients were shouting, '13....13....13.' The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks, so I looked through to see what was going on. Some idiot poked me in the eye with a stick! Then they all started shouting '14....14....14…....
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
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Stormy
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 5:40:12 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
also - Shakespeare was a 7w6
How so?
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Desdemona
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 5:44:22 PM
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Originally posted by Classi
When I first read Great Expectations at age 16 I thought dickens was a four because of all the sentimentality and longing and the ultimate four [blocked due to guideline #4 violation] Miss Havisham. But now I think 7 because there's a strong "The grass is always greener" theme and worrying that one can never be fully satisfied.
Also....all of his stories have happy endings. At least, I don't know of any that don't end happily, with the problems all resolved. His writing has a very optimistic slant, which is so much more 7 than 4.
I don't see him being a social laster.
I was walking past the mental hospital the other day, and all the patients were shouting, '13....13....13.' The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks, so I looked through to see what was going on. Some idiot poked me in the eye with a stick! Then they all started shouting '14....14....14…....
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
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