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imimesis
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 Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 01:35:18 AM
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Wondering what people are thinking about Steve Jobs type. A couple months ago I read a book about him (Inside Steve's Brain), which was an excellent and informative read. I really like the products Apple puts out (I type this on a 2006 MacBook), but am mixed about the affect the company, and The Man, have on the world; it is especially interesting the way people have been praising him almost as a Christ-figure.
But as for his type? Tricky. I have my ideas, but will withhold them (for now).
So, what are your thoughts, Dear Forum? |
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enneathing
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 03:23:27 AM
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The whole apple thing seems very sp/soc to me... with the functionality, practicality, material etc.
But, I hesitantly type him as soc/sx 6w5...
...w7...
I think a lot of soc/sx's and sp/soc tend to techies for some reason, more than soc/sp's or sp/sx's. Dunno why.
Anyway I just saw this on CNN and previously had not heard of the guy. So my typing may be off. |
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Sebastian
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 03:39:55 AM
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Hmm. Don't know much about Jobs, but I'm inclined to think that anyone running (or who ran, in this case  ) a successful and innovative company is likely to be an 8w7 or cp6w7. But this is quasi-based on stereotypes for me...
His products show an interesting mix of elegance, beauty, ease, technical innovation, and...gumption? can't find the word I'm looking for here. I guess ballsiness might work: we will make something new and better that will change the world...again this year, ready set go.
These things all seem in the 6/7/8 realm.
He certainly had an immense affect on our world.
I'd be interested to hear thoughts on his stackings/tritype as well. |
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the_eye
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 04:19:05 AM
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8w7.
"I had life but I can't go back
I can't do that, it will never be the same again." |
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ganglion
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 4:56:33 PM
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Jobs, Steve [6h00] total fits 7w8
1,03 on 1
0,38
0,21
0,10
0,25
1,83 on 6
2,63 on 7
2,51 on 8
0,18
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oceanlife
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 5:40:05 PM
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| Yes I wager sp/soc 7w8. Perfect for a technology wizard/showman/visionary. Always a step ahead..had to be...like only a 7 can. |
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imimesis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 11:56:22 AM
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Well, a little more of my opinion on this: I'd put almost all money on Jobs being on the 7/8 border (with 3 in his tritype, making him Fauvre's "Mover and Shaker").
Now, which side he falls on will probably be hotly debated. Just recently (starting with his death and the subsequent media praise) I have thought, maybe he's a 7 after all, instead of an 8. My main reservation about this is that many accounts refer to his "emotional realness" (my words) or being "mercurial" (theirs), temperamental and unpredictable, while always keeping a positive light on himself and his company and technology. He has also been compared to Thomas Edison, and truly seems like the ideal "rugged individualist". Now, all this could easily be said to be more 7w8, than 8w7, but I guess I'm still leaning toward 8w7 until I hear some good arguments for why 7 is the more likely primary. |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 12:15:57 PM
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I'd want to acknowledge the Apple aesthetic in some typological way. The rounded corners and edges? The whiteness? The seamless flow?
Help me out here.
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Kitz
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 : 02:43:17 AM
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| He sure acted like the self-centered creative and genius type. I see the 7, 8 and 4 or 3. |
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Stormy
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 : 06:20:54 AM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I'd want to acknowledge the Apple aesthetic in some typological way. The rounded corners and edges? The whiteness? The seamless flow?
Help me out here.
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blackLight
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Posted - 08 Oct 2011 : 09:57:26 AM
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7w8sp
His voice has head type tonality, but he feels more grounded than most headies and he doesn't have as much up as most 7s. His up results in tangible product.
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ganglion
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 : 9:07:23 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ganglion
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Originally posted by bear
7w8sp
His voice has head type tonality, but he feels more grounded than most headies and he doesn't have as much up as most 7s. His up results in tangible product.
Yes. Of course.
And now is the holly question how I calculated/predicted that (7w8).
Was this just chance?
Ganglion
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blackLight
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 : 9:26:11 PM
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I don't know, I remember VO saying you had better than chance odds going. I don't track it, but it seems you get it right or close about half the time. It's definitely not a reliable method IMO.
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ganglion
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 7:17:52 PM
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Originally posted by bear
I don't know, I remember VO saying you had better than chance odds going. I don't track it, but it seems you get it right or close about half the time. It's definitely not a reliable method IMO.
That is not the point.
Though I wonder how many e-typers achieve a 50% hit rate according to others (though they may themselves feel they are >> 50 correct, which is just an optimistic human trend/fallacy).
The point to grasp is that the predictions are made by my computer only. Which is just using objective astrological and statistical methods. Which is different from this just my opinion.
And this precious fact makes it statistically seen extremely unlikely with more than 4000 persons typed (the exact amount is 4499 right now) that the astrological method is nonsense.
So the many enneagram coaches and spiritual hero's that do not want to speak about astrology but at the same time hide their birth day have a genuine reason to do this. See Birthdate Unknown:
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/onbekend.html
This finding (famous enneagram coaches hiding their birth date) is another reason for me to explore the relationship between astrology and the enneagram.
Just grasp my 6 (I know seemingly paranoid) point. But also acknowledge/see that this is current objective reality (I wished it was not).
Ganglion
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baba
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 04:45:16 AM
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R+H seem to me decent typers, so it's easy for you to compare y'r famous
list with them and see what's y'r ratio...
The odds in favor of an event or a proposition are expressed as the ratio of a pair of integers, which is the ratio of the probability that an event will happen to the probability that it will not happen. For example, the odds that a randomly chosen day of the week is a Sunday are one to six, which is sometimes written 1:6, or 1/6.
So in this case 1/8=12.5%
Do'nt walk away.. |
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ganglion
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 7:24:15 PM
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Originally posted by baba
R+H seem to me decent typers, so it's easy for you to compare y'r famous
list with them and see what's y'r ratio...
The odds in favor of an event or a proposition are expressed as the ratio of a pair of integers, which is the ratio of the probability that an event will happen to the probability that it will not happen. For example, the odds that a randomly chosen day of the week is a Sunday are one to six, which is sometimes written 1:6, or 1/6.
So in this case 1/8=12.5%
Do'nt walk away..
Persons typed by R&H are already in the reference database.
So they are more likely to be correct (yielding a bias)
Se: http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/bijlagen.html
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Ekeh Mayu
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 7:25:28 PM
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Just read a Rolling Stone's article that depict's job's as very fourlike, 4w3 i'd say.
Adopted, envy, proving Apple wrong when he was cast out, excessive controlling, essentially saying i'm right to the consumer, temper in the company.
While there is a visionary side typical of 7, it's not the core of the type. Like saying all 4's are artists.
See for yourself.
Steve's showing at Apple convention's wasn't the base of who he was though. |
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The Wayfarer
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Posted - 13 Oct 2011 : 8:07:51 PM
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Jobs was likely a self pres 7, 748 tritype. Innovative but low key in his presentation and the mental energy is wrapped with an insular quality I associate with self pres, and the stability of both the 8 wing and the 8 in the tritype. His characteristic black turtle neck is pretty self pres 7 who often prefer the darker monochromatic tones to the bright, blaring colors, and although this is a superficial distinction these stylistic choices often provide a good indication of type. I think he exemplified the highly creative aspects of the 748 tritype in a way that manifested in the physical world through a tangible product (which is indicative more of the self pres mixing with an assertive core style).
Sturgeon48
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Edited by - The Wayfarer on 13 Oct 2011 8:27:03 PM |
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ganglion
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Posted - 13 Oct 2011 : 9:08:35 PM
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Originally posted by BADMAN
i am thinking 8w7 so/sp: the Goliath
"They have a strong eye on innovation of the existing social order for their own benefit...
"They have a big picture clairvoyance..."
"They believe in their ability to subdue the forces of the future towards their own ends..."
"They can embody the confidence and vision that societies need to step into the unknown..."
This also can apply to the 7w8.
In my system close 7w8 versus 8w7, 4w5 versus 5w4, 9w8 versus 9w1 do not seem to differ that much from each other.
Anyyway, if www.astro.com is right: www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jobs%2C_Steve" target="_blank">http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jobs%2C_Steve
saying Data source BC/BR in hand Rodden Rating AA, he is likely not a 7 w8 but a 2w3.
Steve Jobs was (28/1) was born on a 1, 2, 3, 7 (and 8) day (13/4 or 22/4
with little dynamics (0 or 1)
under 2, 3, 8 an 9 dynamics (22/4
yielding a 2w3 (22/4)
And here the apple offered by Adam to Eve was not a 7 complete apple, but a 4 lacking lacking something in the apple (with Eve's bite).
Funny bite
Ganglion
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blackLight
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Posted - 13 Oct 2011 : 10:34:45 PM
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Originally posted by ganglion
That is not the point.
I didn't know you were making a point. I thought you asked me a direct question, and I answered to be polite.
Though I wonder how many e-typers achieve a 50% hit rate according to others (though they may themselves feel they are >> 50 correct, which is just an optimistic human trend/fallacy).
Perhaps, but running calculations on something like personality and deciding it's right is equally fallacious. IMO more so, because it precludes actually getting to know something about the person.
The point to grasp is that the predictions are made by my computer only. Which is just using objective astrological and statistical methods. Which is different from this just my opinion.
But it's your opinion that these predictions are reliable, no? It's my opinion that they are not.
And this precious fact makes it statistically seen extremely unlikely with more than 4000 persons typed (the exact amount is 4499 right now) that the astrological method is nonsense.
Did say it was, just unreliable.
So the many enneagram coaches and spiritual hero's that do not want to speak about astrology but at the same time hide their birth day have a genuine reason to do this. See Birthdate Unknown:
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/onbekend.html
That is a particular six bent of yours. I don't any reason why their birthdate should be public, and there are probably a lot of good reasons why it shouldn't that have nothing to do with astrology.
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EMike583
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Posted - 14 Oct 2011 : 12:07:48 AM
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ganglion
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Posted - 14 Oct 2011 : 11:08:49 AM
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Originally posted by bear
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Originally posted by ganglion
That is not the point.
I didn't know you were making a point. I thought you asked me a direct question, and I answered to be polite.
I do appreciate that.
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Though I wonder how many e-typers achieve a 50% hit rate according to others (though they may themselves feel they are >> 50 correct, which is just an optimistic human trend/fallacy).
Perhaps, but running calculations on something like personality and deciding it's right is equally fallacious. IMO more so, because it precludes actually getting to know something about the person.
The point to grasp is that the predictions are made by my computer only. Which is just using objective astrological and statistical methods. Which is different from this just my opinion.
But it's your opinion that these predictions are reliable, no? It's my opinion that they are not.
It is not that simple.
The method uses statistics and and the scores are based on probability calculation. Compare it to predicting the weather or the risk for obtaining a a particular disease. Uncertainty is always part of it. So you have to read the scores as less likely versus more likely.
The same holds true for scores on enneagram tests on certain types. They never are absolutely reliable. Evens expensive courses with top coaches are not. Nevertheless you can make use of it.
So the many enneagram coaches and spiritual hero's that do not want to speak about astrology but at the same time hide their birth day have a genuine reason to do this. See Birthdate Unknown:
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/onbekend.html
That is a particular six bent of yours. I don't any reason why their birthdate should be public, and there are probably a lot of good reasons why it shouldn't that have nothing to do with astrology.
Again in individual cases you are right.
But if find that the birth dates of >99% of famous sports-people and other groups are available, but <95 %of famous enneagram coaches, you must see that there is something special going on in this particular group. I may be paranoid as a six, but facts are not.
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Kitz
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 12:19:09 AM
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Originally posted by ganglion
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Originally posted by bear
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Originally posted by ganglion
That is not the point.
I didn't know you were making a point. I thought you asked me a direct question, and I answered to be polite.
I do appreciate that.
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Though I wonder how many e-typers achieve a 50% hit rate according to others (though they may themselves feel they are >> 50 correct, which is just an optimistic human trend/fallacy).
Perhaps, but running calculations on something like personality and deciding it's right is equally fallacious. IMO more so, because it precludes actually getting to know something about the person.
The point to grasp is that the predictions are made by my computer only. Which is just using objective astrological and statistical methods. Which is different from this just my opinion.
But it's your opinion that these predictions are reliable, no? It's my opinion that they are not.
It is not that simple.
The method uses statistics and and the scores are based on probability calculation. Compare it to predicting the weather or the risk for obtaining a a particular disease. Uncertainty is always part of it. So you have to read the scores as less likely versus more likely.
The same holds true for scores on enneagram tests on certain types. They never are absolutely reliable. Evens expensive courses with top coaches are not. Nevertheless you can make use of it.
So the many enneagram coaches and spiritual hero's that do not want to speak about astrology but at the same time hide their birth day have a genuine reason to do this. See Birthdate Unknown:
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/onbekend.html
That is a particular six bent of yours. I don't any reason why their birthdate should be public, and there are probably a lot of good reasons why it shouldn't that have nothing to do with astrology.
Again in individual cases you are right.
But if find that the birth dates of >99% of famous sports-people and other groups are available, but <95 %of famous enneagram coaches, you must see that there is something special going on in this particular group. I may be paranoid as a six, but facts are not.
I know that a lot of people get freaked out by both enneagram symbol and astrological symbols. Could that be why I wonder? Which enneagram coaches have you typed and what types are they most likely? |
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enneathing
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 07:10:09 AM
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I stick with my original typing.  |
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ganglion
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 06:09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Kitz
[I know that a lot of people get freaked out by both enneagram symbol and astrological symbols. Could that be why I wonder? Which enneagram coaches have you typed and what types are they most likely?
Indeed the resemblance between the enneagram symbol and astrological symbols is remarkable. One can also see resemblance in the metaphysical (spiritual) talk and concepts of both kinds of approaches.
See: http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/onbekend.html
for e coaches that hide their birth date. This seems the rule.
I only typed formally one e- coach (correctly as a 3). More send me info, but that was private.
See http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/famous.html for typed ones.
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Edited by - ganglion on 21 Oct 2011 7:37:05 PM |
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blackLight
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 07:52:03 AM
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Originally posted by ganglion
Again in individual cases you are right.
But if find that the birth dates of >99% of famous sports-people and other groups are available, but <95 %of famous enneagram coaches, you must see that there is something special going on in this particular group. I may be paranoid as a six, but facts are not.
What I get from your statement "you can make use of it" is that it can be a pointer to type. I question the value of that, as IMO the system is best used as a map for self-discovery. Taking a mathematical shortcut doesn't serve that purpose. Working on typing others from the perspective of understanding each type better is useful, but I don't see much point in doing it formulaically.
As for the famous people, I think there's some false logic in your comparison scheme. Comparing "famous" enneagram teachers to famous sports figures doesn't really work concerning biographical information. Most famous people want to be famous, reveal facts about themselves, are researched by others, et al. Stats are sought out by fans, journalists, etc. With teachers, there is not much of that kind of obsession coming from the outside world. While you may wonder about everyone's birthday because of your interest, I rarely wonder about anyone's birthday. If I idealize someone, I might want to know, but that's it. In addition, I know at least some of those people on that list would purposefully not reveal many details of their biography. They have an ethic along the lines of therapists, which is that they are supposed to be somewhat of a blank slate for their students/clients; and who they are as an ego/personality is not where any focus should be drawn. They want the attention to be on the student/patient/client, not on themselves. A lot of self-revelatory biographical information would actually be a sign of someone who is more interested in self-promotion than the healing of others.
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An American god: Steve Jobs
