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dnimon
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 Posted - 05 Nov 2011 : 9:34:26 PM
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Okay Des, i'll do you next, because i'm fascinated by this arrangement, so let me preface what i write first. Your influence arrangement is thoroughly unique in composition, and the way these infleunces fall happens on only two days in the entire year (march 20, is the other date), so its not surprising regular astrology gets your character wrong.
Regular astrology, for the most part works under the assumption that you are a virgo, because it takes the progression through each sign literally, whereas, i'm completely convinced that the suns progression through the signs is an analogous representation, a metaphor which preserves a central idea.
The original psychological system of astrology works on 360 degrees, not 365 days, so the other 5 days are absorbed evenly into the template, the idea is roughly the same as the 30 degree equal house system. This also explains why the egyptians sumerians, and umpteen other civilizations had a 365 day as well as a 360 day calender; each was used for different purposes, but this has not been understood at all by academic historians, who routinely attribute the 360 day calender to "ignorance".....ironic huh?
The 360 day calender idea however endured, remarkably right up to something like a century or two ago, from memory, when the french tried it one last time. In any case, in this system the houses run 20th- 20th of each months. Ive never met anyone with the unique influences of either of the two houses you cusp.....and certainly no one of your type. So the profile will be much more based on theory of how these influences translate rather than first hand experience of how they translate.
Yours is the most challenging profile i have had to do, and with the exception of that other date......(the two equinox points of the 360 day equal house type calender).... inever will. Your input there fore is extremely valuable to me. If you could qualify and correct me at those points where i am "out" of what i say is skewed, do please set me right. I do like a challenge though, so i'll make a cup of coffee and get into it, the results should be up within the hour.
thanks for being born right there.......lol
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 05 Nov 2011 : 10:19:07 PM
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Originally posted by dnimon
thanks for being born right there.......lol
Right where? On that day, you mean? 'cause, I didn't tell you where I was born. 
Re: "You have to be awkward, Des"
Well, it's not like people are pointing and laughing when I go out, or anything. 
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dnimon
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Posted - 05 Nov 2011 : 11:34:55 PM
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Okay Des, first
I wouldn't expect you to be the "clean freak", those born around the 5th and also the 15th are more likely to go this way. You fall bang in the middle of two very concentrated/magnified influences; the first is "existential thought", the second is "emotionally charged thought, emotional identification with ideas" all three tiers of influence on both sides carry the identical influence.
I'll begin with the second "very magnified influence", the emotional identification with ideas, first this brings a very wide and impassioned scope of interest and usually expertise/competence, this is absolutely not a single specialist position, though it can and quite often does produce a person with a number of specialties of interest and capacity...........so impassioned diversity of interest is the first thing.
There is a strong tendency for tunnel visioned focus carried by this influence as well, and also a stubborn willfulness. The so influence is very strong at this point, and quite often the sx, and although this is modified someone by the other magnified influence you cusp, i would expect you to self stack so/sx/sp. sp though would definitely be last because there is a self destructive quality carried by this influence, a certain fearlessness/recklessness/ spontaneity fueled by your impassioned.
thinking.
Another aspect of this, erhhm, a little less pleasant is more than i nuance of dismissive smug righteousness, a certain vibe which gives the impression to others that you "get it" they wouldn't have a clue. My little sister, ex's son and best friend fall under this influence quite strongly.....and at times i wanted to smack all of them in the mouth, lovely though they are. The source of it is your strong emotional attachment in your thinking, or identification with an idea.
On the other side, the magnified influence gives you a deep fascination with life the universe and everything, the moderating social aspect of this, is that you can, and do, introvert and extrovert socially, the canvas influence here brings a natural aversion to "omomg kosong" ( love that indo expression) empty talk, sincee you ponder things deeply and have a natural dismissive take on those who operate on the surface. This side also brings an influence whereby you are, when in a certain mood unconcerned about your safety, and a philosophically induced eat drink and party, for tomorrow we die attitude.
You mingle and socially lubricate but zero in onto any interesting d&m going down, so the previous influence i described brings you a tunnel visioned emotional arousal from the depth. You certainly are according to these influences, a deep thinker, with diverse interests and skills, impassioned and often obsessive with it, spontaneous, sometimes too much so, and sometimes curiously unconsidered and unconcerned about consequences.
You vacillate between emotionally fueled conviction, to feeling lost and as though you don't have a clue, and that life is all too complex, that no amount of deep thought will change anything.
At the next point of your manifestation triad, what you do, your actions,again, multiplicity of capacity and practical capability is magnified, so is your thinking, there is a conflict here, your thinking in regard to action is egalitarian in a sense here, , it's like "all courses of action seem equally good or bad and this creates indecision and conflict for your desire to set yourself up nicely on a material level and find/create success. Let me try that another way, you get excited about this course of action, then that different course of action, then another, until you give up because all seem equally best/worst.....best and worse..inertia often results.
at the next point of your manifestation tried, your emotional expression, existential anxiety if highlighted, this comes from too much thinking, and finding too many fraught things about life, in part. There is a privacy of emotion aspect here too, and you have a reserve about disclosing too much of this publicly, especially regarding your fears and personal demons, you have a tendency to mask these aspects and project more surety than you actually have....you mask your vulnerability and insecurity.
The other influence you cusp here is an ordering sense, in regard to your emotions. In your inner world you try to join dots and find structure regarding your feelings, but the process is difficult because a lot of material exists as semi conscious awareness and typically includes aspects of yourself you see sometimes in principle but lose sight of altogether at those moments when you need to, there is a longing for a less fraught psycho emotional structure in you, and i guess what i have said so far explains both the six and seven aspects of yourself.
There is also a frustrated desire to try and join the dots via both influences which meet here
around the circuit, what you do is qualified by these influences
a desire to look good and embody how you present yourself, esp intellectually and with what you do;
a compulsive/impulsive spontaneity both intellectually and concerning the act
a tendency to do precisely what you feel like in the moment, both intellectually and concerning the aact.
around the emotional circuit, your manifestation is dictated by the influences
to internalize you anxieties and difficulties finding order, emotional hypersensitivity is marked at this point, along with expansive scope of nuance of feeling, again, this makes it all to complicated and hard to find internal psycho emotional order
a tendency to impulsively act on the basis of what you feel,
a "privately emotional" influence, which, when "dicked with" at an inopportune moment can easily explode
..............feedback appreciated
btw, you emotional states influence your quite often complete lack of concern with external order..tidiness seems to you, so frivolous pointless and meaningless, futile in the face of the concerns your psycho emotional world.
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 01:28:52 AM
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Breaking this up into more than one post, because it's just too damn long:
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Originally posted by dnimon
I'll begin with the second "very magnified influence", the emotional identification with ideas, first this brings a very wide and impassioned scope of interest and usually expertise/competence, this is absolutely not a single specialist position, though it can and quite often does produce a person with a number of specialties of interest and capacity...........so impassioned diversity of interest is the first thing.
This seems accurate.
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There is a strong tendency for tunnel visioned focus carried by this influence as well, and also a stubborn willfulness.
I am very stubborn. Tunnel vision in what way? I don't feel I am in general, and am curious as to what you're thinking of here. I can have tunnel vision in regards to my romantic fascinations, but otherwise, not particularly.
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The so influence is very strong at this point, and quite often the sx, and although this is modified someone by the other magnified influence you cusp, i would expect you to self stack so/sx/sp.
But I definitely do not stack so/sx, not even anywhere close.
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sp though would definitely be last because there is a self destructive quality carried by this influence, a certain fearlessness/recklessness/ spontaneity fueled by your impassioned.
thinking.
This makes sense, as I do have a bent towards self destructiveness. However, I don't see this as counting out the self pres instinct. On the contrary, I think that often the self pres instinct actually leads to self-destructiveness, especially in type 7, because the emphasis is placed upon physical happiness. Also, the fearlessness/recklessness you mentioned I believe is from the sx - it's a love of adrenaline, a love of the charge.
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Another aspect of this, erhhm, a little less pleasant is more than i nuance of dismissive smug righteousness, a certain vibe which gives the impression to others that you "get it" they wouldn't have a clue.
I really do not think this, dnimon. You mean it gives the impression to others that I think they wouldn't have a clue, or that they don't have my insight? They may get that impression, but I don't feel that way.
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The source of it is your strong emotional attachment in your thinking, or identification with an idea.
But because I am always open to changing my mind about something, I don't feel that I do have an extremely strong attachment to my ideas. I admit it when I'm wrong about things, and don't have the attitude that I always have to be right, or whatever.
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On the other side, the magnified influence gives you a deep fascination with life the universe and everything
Used to, not much now. I've lost my fascination with life.
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the moderating social aspect of this, is that you can, and do, introvert and extrovert socially
Yes, it depends on whether I'm around people I'm connecting with or not.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 01:58:45 AM
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the canvas influence here brings a natural aversion to "omomg kosong" ( love that indo expression) empty talk, sincee you ponder things deeply and have a natural dismissive take on those who operate on the surface. This side also brings an influence whereby you are, when in a certain mood unconcerned about your safety, and a philosophically induced eat drink and party, for tomorrow we die attitude.
I do hate small talk. I have an almost total disregard for my safety, and always have. Don't know that that's any "philosophically induced" thing, though. It's just how I've always been. For most of my life, it was because (1) I simply didn't expect bad things to happen and (2) I've always had a feeling I could take care of myself just fine in any dangerous situation. Now, I can add that (3) I just don't care. I don't fear anything because in a sense I feel there is nothing for me to fear. When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose, ya know?
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You mingle and socially lubricate but zero in onto any interesting d&m going down
What is "d&m"?
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so the previous influence i described brings you a tunnel visioned emotional arousal from the depth. You certainly are according to these influences, a deep thinker, with diverse interests and skills, impassioned and often obsessive with it, spontaneous, sometimes too much so, and sometimes curiously unconsidered and unconcerned about consequences.
I do find depth exciting, and I have diverse interests and skills. The latter part of your statement confuses me a bit. I do get impassioned and obsessive in my interests, and can become completely consumed by a subject, so that I forget about the outside world. Is this what you mean?
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You vacillate between emotionally fueled conviction, to feeling lost and as though you don't have a clue, and that life is all too complex, that no amount of deep thought will change anything.
. . . I don't think so. I could be wrong, but that's not really something I'd say or think, or at least not the way I would phrase it.
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it's like "all courses of action seem equally good or bad and this creates indecision and conflict for your desire to set yourself up nicely on a material level and find/create success. Let me try that another way, you get excited about this course of action, then that different course of action, then another, until you give up because all seem equally best/worst.....best and worse..inertia often results.
Not so much. Definitely not, as far as career, which is what I assume you're talking about. I hate to limit my options in many ways, such as deciding where I'd like to move next, but that doesn't apply to setting myself up materially and creating/finding success. I know what I want to do, I have just had to do other things to live. I haven't had any difficulties deciding on a career, because the only career I want is an artistic/creative one.
Okay, now that the time's kicked over, it won't let me post anything for another hour, so I'll just be back tomorrow.
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 03:07:50 AM
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thanks des; when you're back online can we look at the contested points; a couple of these are clearly crossed wires, and one or two are likely my misinterpretations on how the influences manifest. On the latter i would love your input; if i name the influence and arena maybe you could help me see how they manifest.....
i'm very pleased with that over all...thanks
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 03:50:16 AM
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In the mean time, i'd like to expand on some aspects of the maleficient nature of your position on the type template, which makes you that much harder to type. It might help with some of the contentious points.
You have strong polar opposite influences, sometimes this makes them easier to see , at other times more difficult. For instance one influence here brings a capacity for reflection, self absorption and the capacity to own mistakes and stuff ups easily, the othe influence is stubborn, willful and prideful, the tendency to struggle to see complicity, and any wrongs of self, the tendency to hate apologizing, if mistakes and unintentional slights are recognised, they are recognised and owned privately, apologies
are often made in token or gestural ways.
So i'd be very surprised for instance, if others did not feel you dismiss them as "having no idea" without realising it, esp those who know you well....asking them about this would be good i think.
you mentioned a few other points where the influences appear did not translate as i anticipated, with your type , it is much harder to anticipate how such conflicting influences play out, i look forward to discussing it
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 06:51:59 AM
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plan one is fine Abi.. im less interested in talking about the mechanism and more interested on whether the translation from influence/s to behaviour is correct....that would be super
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 09:37:32 AM
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i'm out of juice, but restless, so i'll do skunk
Okay the canvas influence you fall under is "the thoughtful act" and refers to, the psychological processing of what you do, the mechanics of how things go together, and what is required in order to do the work, job or pursuit; ordered thinking along pragmatic lines. People under this influence traditionally follow a process of thinking and actioning their thinking well and this translates into an external organizing of their environment quite often.
The overlaying influence is what i now call to myself "privately emotional",since this is how it most often translates from the technical description, "emotional identification with feelings", a magnified internalized and often suppressed emotional sensitivity, which tend to ignite like dynamite, if someone fingers one of these emotional triggers/sores.
There is a guardedness from this influence which makes it very difficult to expose the content of their private inner world, and what they do show of it is often lacking in external "affect". , whereas when the inner emotion sores are prodded, heads roll.
The qualifying influence here is," existential emotional", which most often translates as, existential anxiety and typically brings a reclusive influence, withdrawal from the fraught and angst evoking world, external appearance is important to you in the way you express your emotions, this is also carried by this third tier influence which feeds into your second and strengthens. So the first conflict is here, a tendency to internalize feelings, suppress and guard them, then explode, then probably silent self rebuke, withdrawal.....seems close from what ive seen of you. the third tier influence carries a softness of expression, dare i say a tenderness as well, which i would expect to be suppressed as well, given the strength of the other influences.
The part of the triad which deals with your action manifestation point is "emotionally identified thought", which usually manifests externally as strong work ethic, focus, often obsessive focus, stamina fueled by emotional arousal. the same second and third tier influences which overlay all three manifestation points, usually translates in this position, as a tendency to stay withing yourself at work, to keep your space, there is a self destructive influence carried as well, becoming run down is a problem, an understated arrogance and "dismissive tone" (like des), that you may not be aware of. A reactionary tendency as well
The negative aspects of psycho emotional self are also suppressed by this influence, how this translates to how your actions manifest is difficult to be certain of, but volayility is marked. Social consciousness is marked as well, which is interesting because i wondered that about you last week. You will be the guy to help the downtrodden, if you can, there's a vibe in all this of some kind of "conservative come altruistic social morality", a propensity for wide scope of talents , fieled by emotional interest, and as a consequence you learn things very quickly.
The last pont of the triad , your emotional manifestation point is also interesting as it cobines and feeds off other influences, the need to find structure and order and dispassionately understand and arrange your inner world, the tendency to try to be objective about your emotional structures.
So, combining with the other influences which feed around the inner triad, i would expect that you internalize, suppress, and try to dispassionately order, arrange and understand what is a private, deeply felt, and at times volatile inner psycho emotional world. There are obvious conflicts inherent in this...........sounds pretty close, although i wasn't expecting such a pervasive emotional influence across and through the triad.
Interesting that "appearance", as a motive, plays little part in your psyche, in the traditional sense, save certain elements of your emotional expression....i'll have a break and go round the outer circuit.
I'll wait for feedback from you, before going on, otherwise the process gets too long and messy
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 09:47:48 AM
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Originally posted by Abi
Okie...I'll try to work on it today.
Altho, to me, details without context are little more than loose collage bits that can be placed in any order depending on the subjective view of the observer.
If anyone else out there understands what I'm asking for, my request for explanation remains open.
i appreciate that abi, but ive tried to explain the mechanics of how this works many times....and it just led to strife and bickering, i own my porr style of communication in regard to that. The whole thing with the system is that none of it is arbitrary or based on anything other than translating the influence to behavioral manifestation, and this, usually is pretty straightforward.......The mechanics of the system are truly beautiful imo and id love to share them, but ive given up hope of doing that productively here.
The truth is "what works" so given that ive done 13 consecutive reads, 12 spot on, the most difficult one 70%, and two yet to receive feedback,interesting with this, is that the point of manifestation profiles have all been spot on, the only misses were with the influence translation on a couple of the enneapoints with Des
i'm interested in applying the system more broadly and refining my understanding of certain translations of influence to behavior that are intrinsically more alien to my own type. Des and skunk don't swim in my half of the type pool, you and mags do, so i need a finer grasp of exactly how some of the influences usually translate, for the more personally distant types
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btw , as you know you can contact me privately about the mechanics of this, i'm happy to share with you and have done so with this before
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:22:10 AM
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Originally posted by Abi
Ya, I hear what your saying re: mechanism...just trying to get on the same page...which is why I also asked for input from others.
It's like reading the same idea from different authors...eventually the way one phrases the idea makes it click into place.
And since I assume you may eventually want to take this system further down the road...being understandable might be a benefit. 
So far, it's been easier going than I thought...tho I'm chopping it up & down a lot to make bite-size pieces.
I also have to forage for nuts & berries to make soup and bread so will be working on it thru the course of the day.
re: contact you...the last couple of times I tried a long time ago I rec'd no response so assumed your addy had changed. I mentioned it to you here a ways back but rec'd no response to that either.
here is a structural rending of the basics, ignore the words..but follow the sequence, yod he vau throught all three layers of the circuit, note the exact fit of the enneagram, the enneagram is positioned so that epoint 9 meets with the dob, the rest is translating the influences, which must be known first at each epoint. the central triad meets with the same second and third tier influences, the outer triad, points 147 do likewise with the a different set second and third tier influences, the epoints 2,5,8 same thing, three further different influences which apply to each of these three points....hope this helps.
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:25:42 AM
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ah, the diagram came out clear enough so that you can actually see what i'm talking about, this was one of my first diagrams, from ten years ago, lots has been added since then....the third tier is not represented here, for instance, and the planets were removed from my diagrams a long time ago
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:42:19 AM
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Originally posted by Abi
Thx!
I prolly have that diagram of yours somewhere in my files. 
you probably do
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red = yod, the active force/the act, points 1.4.7,
green = he, passive force/emotions
yellow = vau, the reconciling force
brown = the result/body/world/manifest existence,
so the circuit yod, he, vau, he/yod, he vau, he/yod, he, vau he/yod....etc runs consecutively as a flow around the two layers depicted, it's not at all arbitrary, no room for procrustian invention...............this also shows how 4 reconciles to three, just as it doees with gurdjieffs functional divisions, according to the rules of the kaballistic tetragrammaton.
and it highlights he mistaken assumption that the nine part enneagram applies to nine types, the same 12 , reduced to nine principle which details the three functional centres, mental, physical, intellectual consisting of four types.
This arrangement also self defines the equinoxes and solstices
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:43:26 AM
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Originally posted by dnimon
You have strong polar opposite influences, sometimes this makes them easier to see , at other times more difficult. For instance one influence here brings a capacity for reflection, self absorption and the capacity to own mistakes and stuff ups easily, the othe influence is stubborn, willful and prideful, the tendency to struggle to see complicity, and any wrongs of self, the tendency to hate apologizing, if mistakes and unintentional slights are recognised, they are recognised and owned privately, apologies
are often made in token or gestural ways.
Not so true about the apologizing thing. I don't hate apologizing, I am fine with doing so. I'm not one of those people who never owns their mistakes. Even if it's unintentional, I don't mind apologizing, and saying, "Hey, my bad, I misunderstood you" or whatever. I am stubborn, but I don't connect that with pride. In me, it's more of a stubbornness in not giving up on the things I want, and not caring what others have to say about that. It's not an "I'm right whatever you say" kind of stubbornness.
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So i'd be very surprised for instance, if others did not feel you dismiss them as "having no idea" without realising it, esp those who know you well....asking them about this would be good i think.
Others here may think that, but that's not how I feel. I know my family doesn't think this, and at least two of my friends do not. I have no desire to go around asking everyone I know whether they think I act as thought they're clueless because of your reading here, because honestly, I don't believe people in my real life do think this.
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:48:33 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
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Originally posted by Abi
Altho, to me, details without context are little more than loose collage bits that can be placed in any order depending on the subjective view of the observer.
I agree. In fact, I was thinking that this whole description sounds like ideas dnimon has formed about me through watching me on the board, and consist of his personal opinions of me. That's frankly how I see it.
your choice.....thanks anyway
7w6 Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Idiosyncratic Style
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:49:48 AM
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Des and skunk don't swim in my half of the type pool
What are you calling your half of the type pool? You type as 6w5. I type as 7w6, and as far as I'm aware, Skunk types as 5w6 or sometimes 6w5 (correct me if I'm wrong about that). Neither of us seem especially remote from your own placement, so I'm a bit confused.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:53:11 AM
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Anyway, here's the rest of what I was trying to split up last night in answer to you:
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at the next point of your manifestation tried, your emotional expression, existential anxiety if highlighted, this comes from too much thinking, and finding too many fraught things about life, in part.
"Too many fraught things in life" - you mean too many distressing things about life? Depends on how you mean, I guess. I don't feel that there are too many scary things. I do feel there are too many sad things, too many disappointing things. Somehow, I don't think that really qualifies as "fraught", though. I don't see myself as having any existential anxiety. I don't care whether I live or die, honestly. That's not meant to be a dramatic statement, and it's not some horrible thing, as people always take it when I say that. I'm just riding out the ride to see how it goes, that's all.
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There is a privacy of emotion aspect here too, and you have a reserve about disclosing too much of this publicly, especially regarding your fears and personal demons, you have a tendency to mask these aspects and project more surety than you actually have....you mask your vulnerability and insecurity.
No, I don't think this is very accurate. I talk pretty openly about my demons, problems, and fears, and don't feel that I "mask" anything at all. My desire is to be understood, so I'm not putting on an act, I'm trying to be as honest as possible about myself. What I strive to do more than anything is to convey accurately how I really feel, not any kind of idealized image that isn't accurate. I do delete posts sometimes where I feel I've started to make the focus all about me, and when I've said things that seem too personal, because I feel I'm making a spectacle of myself and my feelings. I'm not doing it to mask how I feel, though.
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The other influence you cusp here is an ordering sense, in regard to your emotions. In your inner world you try to join dots and find structure regarding your feelings
I spend a lot of time introspecting and analyzing, if that's what you mean.
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but the process is difficult because a lot of material exists as semi conscious awareness and typically includes aspects of yourself you see sometimes in principle but lose sight of altogether at those moments when you need to, there is a longing for a less fraught psycho emotional structure in you
Honestly, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about what may be subconscious or what have you. I think of my thoughts and emotions as what I can actually see and feel when I look inward. Not sure what you mean about "longing for a less fraught psycho emotional structure". If you mean feeling afraid of or disturbed by my emotional structure, I don't think I'd say that. If you mean wishing I were less complicated, nah, I don't really wish that either. I like the way I am, pretty much, though I often do feel like a freak emotionally. I don't wish to be different than I am, though. I don't wish I were simpler, and actually don't wish I were less emotional either.
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There is also a frustrated desire to try and join the dots via both influences which meet here
around the circuit, what you do is qualified by these influences
a desire to look good and embody how you present yourself, esp intellectually and with what you do
I don't just try to make myself look good, no. I try to be honest in how I describe myself. I try my guts out. I have no image I'm particularly going for, only accuracy. What do you mean embody how I present myself? That sounds as if you're saying I try to project a certain image, then embody that, which is not at all what I do.
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:53:33 AM
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Originally posted by dnimon
Des and skunk don't swim in my half of the type pool
What are you calling your half of the type pool? You type as 6w5. I type as 7w6, and as far as I'm aware, Skunk types as 5w6 or sometimes 6w5 (correct me if I'm wrong about that). Neither of us seem especially remote from your own placement, so I'm a bit confused.
astrologivally skunk and you are heavy in air influences, though you split earth and air, in an unusual way, skunk is an aquarian........my half of the pool is the fire earth types
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ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Idiosyncratic Style
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:55:09 AM
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a compulsive/impulsive spontaneity both intellectually and concerning the act
a tendency to do precisely what you feel like in the moment, both intellectually and concerning the aact.
I don't understand what you're referring to as "the act".
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around the emotional circuit, your manifestation is dictated by the influences
to internalize you anxieties and difficulties finding order
I actually don't think I look for order much, or have anxieties regarding finding order. I'm fine and comfortable with disorder, in many ways.
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emotional hypersensitivity is marked at this point, along with expansive scope of nuance of feeling, again, this makes it all to complicated and hard to find internal psycho emotional order
Well, I'm not sure what you mean.
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a tendency to impulsively act on the basis of what you feel
This is definitely true.
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so the previous influence i described brings you a tunnel visioned emotional arousal from the depth. You certainly are according to these influences, a deep thinker, with diverse interests and skills, impassioned and often obsessive with it, spontaneous, sometimes too much so, and sometimes curiously unconsidered and unconcerned about consequences.
I do find depth exciting, and I have diverse interests and skills. The latter part of your statement confuses me a bit. I do get impassioned and obsessive in my interests, and can become completely consumed by a subject, so that I forget about the outside world. Is this what you mean?
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You vacillate between emotionally fueled conviction, to feeling lost and as though you don't have a clue, and that life is all too complex, that no amount of deep thought will change anything.
. . . I don't think so. I could be wrong, but that's not really something I'd say or think, or at least not the way I would phrase it.
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it's like "all courses of action seem equally good or bad and this creates indecision and conflict for your desire to set yourself up nicely on a material level and find/create success. Let me try that another way, you get excited about this course of action, then that different course of action, then another, until you give up because all seem equally best/worst.....best and worse..inertia often results.
Not so much. Definitely not, as far as career, which is what I assume you're talking about. I hate to limit my options in many ways, such as deciding where I'd like to move next, but that doesn't apply to setting myself up materially and creating/finding success. I know what I want to do, I have just had to do other things to live. I haven't had any difficulties deciding on a career, because the only career I want is an artistic/creative one.
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a "privately emotional" influence, which, when "dicked with" at an inopportune moment can easily explode
I don't know that it's so private, but I can explode when dicked with, definitely.
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btw, you emotional states influence your quite often complete lack of concern with external order..tidiness seems to you, so frivolous pointless and meaningless, futile in the face of the concerns your psycho emotional world.
Okay.
This is a lot longer than I expected it to be, and I think it's likely to lead to a much too long discussion, but I'm giving you the feedback you requested.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:57:28 AM
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Originally posted by dnimon
astrologivally skunk and you are heavy in air influences, though you split earth and air, in an unusual way, skunk is an aquarian........my half of the pool is the fire earth types
Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for answering.
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 10:58:17 AM
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In fact, I was thinking that this whole description sounds like ideas dnimon has formed about me through watching me on the board, and consist of his personal opinions of me. That's frankly how I see it.
good example, of the point i was making
lets drop it Des, you've formed an opinion, and the rest of your dialogue seems to be proceeding along the lines of it........thanks for your input.
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 11:02:33 AM
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Originally posted by dnimon
In fact, I was thinking that this whole description sounds like ideas dnimon has formed about me through watching me on the board, and consist of his personal opinions of me. That's frankly how I see it.
good example, of the point i was making
lets drop it Des, you've formed an opinion, and the rest of your dialogue seems to be proceeding along the lines of it........thanks for your input.
Oh, sure, try to make out that I'm set in my ways. Whatever. I never just "form opinions" and rigidly resist discussing or changing them. Obviously I'm willing to continue the dialogue with you, since I posted the second half of what I wrote last night.
You can be a baby about it if you want. I don't think you got everything right, no. Then again, I never think anything regarding astrology gets me entirely right. Some things you said were right on. As for the rest of my dialogue proceeding along the lines of what I said a few minutes ago, this is stuff I wrote last night. It was all part of one big post, and I split it up into 4 or 5, because it was just too damn long. I said last night that I was doing this. You're just offended because I agreed with what Abi said about interpretation of influences being subjective according to the observer.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 11:18:30 AM
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Anyway, I don't think there's any real difference in my later posts and my earlier ones. I'm asking you for clarification on many points, and offering my input. Truly the mark of one so rigidly minded and unable to consider any other viewpoint.
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 11:21:14 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
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Originally posted by dnimon
In fact, I was thinking that this whole description sounds like ideas dnimon has formed about me through watching me on the board, and consist of his personal opinions of me. That's frankly how I see it.
good example, of the point i was making
lets drop it Des, you've formed an opinion, and the rest of your dialogue seems to be proceeding along the lines of it........thanks for your input.
Oh, sure, try to make out that I'm set in my ways. Whatever. I never just "form opinions" and rigidly resist discussing or changing them. Obviously I'm willing to continue the dialogue with you, since I posted the second half of what I wrote last night.
You can be a baby about it if you want. I don't think you got everything right, no. Then again, I never think anything regarding astrology gets me entirely right. Some things you said were right on. As for the rest of my dialogue proceeding along the lines of what I said a few minutes ago, this is stuff I wrote last night. It was all part of one big post, and I split it up into 4 or 5, because it was just too damn long. I said last night that I was doing this. You're just offended because I agreed with what Abi said about interpretation of influences being subjective according to the observer.
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ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Idiosyncratic Style
as i said, there are reasons why you are hard to type, and i prefaced this before i profiled you, and after. I'm not being a baby about it at all; i appreciate that your repliess were written last night, thats not the point, in the first place you seem to be embodying what i wrote, in your replies, and secondly you've formed an opinion today, that i'm being disingenuous, thirdly, i doubt abi thinks i'm being disingenuous, picking bits of your board interactions and making it up from there.........this certainly doesnt explain the mags reading as i have only spoken to her once in a fashion spoof, and i didnt mention anything about her fine sense of comedy.
And finaly, i do have an ego projection which compels me to try and look good, and an equal fear of looking stupid......do you think i'd risk the humiliation of guessing by picking bits and pieces from here and there? The system is designed so that none of what i say is arbitrary, or opinion, except how the influences translate, and that is usually straightforward.
I profile in good faith........you've shown me bad faith in stating your belief here, i don't see how a productive exploration can develop from here.
"It's okay to lose your pride over someone you love, but don't lose the one you love due to your pride."
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dnimon
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Posted - 06 Nov 2011 : 11:32:27 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
Anyway, I don't think there's any real difference in my later posts and my earlier ones. I'm asking you for clarification on many points, and offering my input. Truly the mark of one so rigidly minded and unable to consider any other viewpoint.
the point of difference is where you are operating from, the problem is well illustrated in my preamble to typing you in the first place and the nature of your influences which alternately hide or highlight aspects of your behavior, which makes some material difficult to see...your responses......nup....not true, i see what can't often or easily be seen,as a result of my type, and now i also believe your making it up as you go along.....how do i work with that, develop things from there?
7w6 Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Idiosyncratic Style
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