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thomg
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 06:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kate
With the inclusiveness it's something I pick up repeatedly in your view, in discussions that's a proclivity to disagreeing and then pointing out a universal similarity, usually in mundanity, but it's there a lot. It's like a habit. It's similar to what I pick up from JoL, but not expressed exactly the same way. There seems to be a tendency to 'see all sides', sometimes (to me) in a way that makes me go "huh?"
Exactly. It's the distinguishing thing (like JoL's 'not me' above). It's what I was trying to get at in the particulars/universals thing with 9 thinking.
Clear 9 fix (imho), was even thinking 9 core for Des the other day ... but don't want to argue it out.  |
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thomg
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 06:14:39 AM
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Originally posted by whitelila
6-9-2 for myself.
Or 6-2-8
maybe 648 or 649
I'm not invested.
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whitelila
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 07:52:49 AM
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yeah, but I think it is more I have a line to 9 as a 6. And 6w7's often appear 2ish, as noted by R&H in p-types.
I'm not a firm believer in tritype. I believe more that people are a type and then often have other type issues to work on. Like maybe a parents type, or something along those lines.
My security point is 9, meaning that as a 6 when I feel secure I'm more "slothful".
That is the issue I'm having to deal with right now.
I wonder if our childhood fantasies pin-point our type to some extent? Or our first urges when we see another suffering?
And then we must look at our actions.
If any of those are taken into account, then a 2/8 fix would define me, if tri-type was a real thing, which I'm not so sure it is.
My childhood was filled with me wishing to be able to feed the world, I would day dreaming of being able to "heal" terminally ill people, all anonymously, though. The idea of people hounding me is awful. And I hate the idea of people feeling indebted to me, as a 6 that would make me feel too off balance. If I had billions I would love to give it away, to friends maybe not anonymously because i trust they know me enough to understand the "free" nature of the gift, but with others absolutely, absolutely. But I'm not universal in who I would like to give to. I would want to reward struggle and talent.
After soul searching I came to conclusion that having those kinds of fantasies dominate my mind as a child, and even today to a lesser extent, probably means that if tritype were true, that 2 would be the fix. I'm highly creative and have some talent, but I don't think 4's rule the whole spectrum when it comes to creativity or "dark" worlds.
And I do have many dark worlds I visit.. I'm a world walker. Maybe it is magic.. and we don't have to be 5's or 4's to have it. When you take that into account, 2 is a natural fit for so called "tritype".
I would probably value the perspective of people like VO who have known me for years and years, through many of my different phases.
I could be in a 6-9-2 phase at the moment. I see the 9 guess as affirmation of my "likableness". I take it as a complement and not a belief that I'm unable to assert myself in an effective clear manner.
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enneathing
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 08:00:07 AM
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728 - philanthropist
628 - guardian |
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whitelila
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 08:05:12 AM
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Originally posted by enneathing
728 - philanthropist
628 - guardian
yeah, those fit.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 09:36:32 AM
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Originally posted by enneathing
Des -
From your vocaroo, I could see a 9w8 fix - because 9w8 is very earthy, 'tough', grounded, straight-forward, likeable for their casual and unassuming nature, to me.
By 'grounded', I mean a strong, grounded presence. Not necessarily 'practical' grounded, which is more 1.
The 'ethereal', 'gentle', 'fairy-like' nature of 4-7-9 may be over-estimated. I think a 9w8 fix will actually make one more earthy, with strong assertive presence, etc. Not ethereal or airy as that tritype is made out to be.
I could see this stuff. I'm not "practical" grounded.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 09:41:40 AM
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Originally posted by thomg
Clear 9 fix (imho), was even thinking 9 core for Des the other day ... but don't want to argue it out.
Seriously, I do NOT know how you people see some of the things you do. Am I at all conflict avoidant? I mean, at all?
And I don't understand what Dusty meant by my "over-identifying" either. Though I do both, it seems like I disidentify more than identify.
I also don't exactly think sloth is a big issue for me, more like continually distracting myself.
My brother is a 9w8, and there is a stark contrast between us, both as children and as adults.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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Stormy
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 09:49:56 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
Am I at all conflict avoidant? I mean, at all?
No.
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thomg
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 09:51:40 AM
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Definitely a compliment! Core type is genetic, I think ... hadn't really thought about tritype. I don't think our own thoughts or fantasies really shape us, more the mess, chaos and struggle of trying to be human as we cope with being powerless, then battling with adolescence, etc.
For mine, sx/so mixed with 6-9-2 is ... just delightful. Other tritypes with sx/so, esp with 4 in the mix ... much less so. 'Course talent sprouts in all types, as does darkness, not just 4 and 5, as many on this board demonstrate. Unhealthy 2 is as black as sin. The double superego of 6-2 is nicely balanced by the uplift of 2 and the free skies of 9.
Take it with a grain of salt, bien sur... I've only felt I've 'tuned into you' recently.
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thomg
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 09:56:57 AM
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@ des
Was just saying that to me (subjectively, could be wrong, what do I know, etc.) your 9 fix is so clear that I could even contemplate core 9.
To point out the obvious - sx/sp can be a very feisty stacking. I don't think 'conflict avoidant' is really an adequate description of even the surface behaviour of 9's. I would hardly say EU, who I think is sx/sp 9w1 (and I think he does too again), seems conflict avoidant - he can be as sharp, spiky, confrontation and stand his ground, just as much as 8 fixers like Orph or me.
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lovemyth
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 10:02:13 AM
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des: i actually see that bit of you as being something of a bit of urge to contrarianism coming from your 6 side.
that is one thing that is fairly noteable about you.
i don't think that is related to 9 if that is the thing they are talking about but i don't recall the move to universals after disagreement. though there is much exception taking.
-beeotchy for fun and profit-
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 10:04:58 AM
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Originally posted by thomg
@ des
Was just saying that to me (subjectively, could be wrong, what do I know, etc.) your 9 fix is so clear that I could even contemplate core 9.
I personally see very little 9, comparatively. That's why I've always questioned the 9 fix.
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I don't think 'conflict avoidant' is really an adequate description of even the surface behaviour of 9's.
This sort of statement confuses me. Isn't conflict avoidance one of the core traits of type 9?
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he can be as sharp, spiky, confrontation and stand his ground, just as much as 8 fixers like Orph or me.
Then I guess the question becomes what are you looking at as ninish traits? I know 9w8's can stand their ground, but it's my experience that they will only enter conflict when they feel they have to, and will end it as soon as they can.
Plus, I have no "world unity" thing going on, which even my sx/sp 9w8 friend is big on. Not sure how Jol would relate to it, though.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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Stormy
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 10:47:29 AM
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Originally posted by lovemyth
i don't view it as limited to manifesting i view it as why should anything have manifested at all. i say it shouldn't have. but it has so...whatever.
=== just realized you might have meant why there is nothing beyond the cosmos or the evident world and so limited.
Why did anything manifest at all? It shouldn't have; the cosmos is one, manifestations are...whatever - E9
Why do I have to be one with these manifestations? I shouldn't have to; I exist independently, cosmic oneness is...whatever - E4/E5
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 10:57:06 AM
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Originally posted by lovemyth
des: i actually see that bit of you as being something of a bit of urge to contrarianism coming from your 6 side.
that is one thing that is fairly noteable about you.
i don't think that is related to 9 if that is the thing they are talking about but i don't recall the move to universals after disagreement. though there is much exception taking.
This is something a lot of people see as 1 in me, but I do think it's more 6. When I do it, it doesn't have a oneish feeling of "I'm right, and you're wrong", as people often assume it does. It does seem more about pointing out exceptions, ala 6.
And I don't 'specially recall the move to universals after disagreement either, but I don't get a lot of what's being said here anyway.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 10:58:41 AM
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Originally posted by Stormy
Why did anything manifest at all? It shouldn't have; the cosmos is one, manifestations are...whatever - E9
Why do I have to be one with these manifestations? I shouldn't have to; I exist independently, cosmic oneness is...whatever - E4/E5
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I relate to the last.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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MH
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 11:00:55 AM
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It does seem more about pointing out exceptions, ala 6.
My friend Dylan does this too..It's pretty funny to watch in conversation with others, but frustrating in conversation with me.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 11:25:58 AM
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Originally posted by May Hem
How do you see your own tri-fix working Des. I'm thinking maybe 9-fix is easy to hand onto some sexual variants online.
Well, I don't so much see it working. I've always questioned the 9 fix, but I'm not totally opposed to it. I decided to go with 8 because I am confrontational and direct, and react aggressively. Sure, there are reasons someone could say it doesn't fit, but no more reasons than with 1 and 9, that I can see. I honestly don't care which gut fix gets stuck on me, but I do care about the reasons why. Exception - 9w1 fix, 'cause that's just way too gentle and dreamy for my personality, imo. Couldn't see 1w2 either. But in general - 8, 9, 1, whatever.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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MH
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 11:29:52 AM
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I am confrontational and direct, and react aggressively.
I'm not an expert on tri-fix but that seems like 7 energy in general to me regardless of tri-fix. |
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whitelila
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 12:30:21 PM
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Originally posted by thomg
Definitely a compliment! Core type is genetic, I think ... hadn't really thought about tritype. I don't think our own thoughts or fantasies really shape us, more the mess, chaos and struggle of trying to be human as we cope with being powerless, then battling with adolescence, etc.
For mine, sx/so mixed with 6-9-2 is ... just delightful. Other tritypes with sx/so, esp with 4 in the mix ... much less so. 'Course talent sprouts in all types, as does darkness, not just 4 and 5, as many on this board demonstrate. Unhealthy 2 is as black as sin. The double superego of 6-2 is nicely balanced by the uplift of 2 and the free skies of 9.
Take it with a grain of salt, bien sur... I've only felt I've 'tuned into you' recently.
Nor do I, but I think they might help define us. They might give pretty pure insight into the person.
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MH
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 2:46:35 PM
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Des I think I picked the 4 and 9 fixes for both yourself and lila more out of the isolation factor. I don't think lila is sx/sp, she seems pretty clearly sx/soc to me,or atleast how I define soc second. I had thought you soc second for awhile but theres a distictly different flavor on interacting.
You had an 8 dad right? Lila has a 9 dad.When im looking at tri-types thats what keeps coming up for me,themes. That was my motivation behind typing you as 7,4,9..And im not holding onto it because i dont even understand the tri-type theory. I've never invested much energy into it.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 2:51:40 PM
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Yes, my dad is an 8w7.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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MH
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 3:17:15 PM
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Yes, my dad is an 8w7.
I thought so..I remember you mentioning him a couple of times. Is that what tri-type theory is based off of? Influences in your life? |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 3:21:03 PM
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Originally posted by May Hem
I thought so..I remember you mentioning him a couple of times. Is that what tri-type theory is based off of? Influences in your life?
No, I've never heard of it being based on that.
"People living deeply have no fear of death."
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Glasgow
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Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 7:39:50 PM
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Is that what tri-type theory is based off of? Influences in your life?
good question. core type is inborn imo. so tritype, too.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 11 Apr 2012 : 04:44:59 AM
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Originally posted by queen
...I don't have the 7s quick thinking mind...
good point. me, either. one of the reasons why i exclude the 7 for me,too.
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TYPES of the MEMBERS who want to be typed II
