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AstralScream
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 Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 6:23:43 PM
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BADMAN
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 7:10:37 PM
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I could see some resemblance. Thomg, you come across as pretty direct and confident in your opinions. That is certainly something taht would point to an eight fix.
Anyways. I agree with whoever the first person was to type you as a 1 fix (orpheus?)...maybe 1w9. Ones adn eights have a number of similarities so naturally 1s and 8 fixers do as well. You come across to me like too much of an academic and intellectual for an 8 fixer. A bit geeky. I remember, on one thread, you were referencing your 'degrees' as if that entitled your ideas to some level of respect. That points towards a literal 1 fix. 1 fixers often believe that acquiring degrees, ranks, or other conventional tokens entitles them to being respected for their ideas...degrees are "father-oriented".
I also notice that your writing style often has a lot of excesss verbiage in it (see the introjection thread) and very often your observations miss organic process...In other words, your style is airy. It's more airy than it is earthy and experience-based. 1 fixers almost always convey a less organic grasp for process/behavior whereas 8w9 fixers convey the most. And 1 fixers are often pretty academic and obtuse in their use of language such as you often seem to be. Dnimon is the clearest exxample of this if you read some of his threads. He writes in a lot of abstraction and word salad.
And like enneathing (a 9w1 fix), you can come across as pretty sycophantic and submissive to the opinions of others (in your case with dfgray) and like enneathing you...you try to pass yourself off as an insider...on Zenbrat's 6 versus 8 thread, you mentioned Boss' name (boss wasn't even posting when you were around!) and you mentioned my old Hompo handle. You only mentioned hompo's name because you saw veiledone mention it not long before on one of eidbuser's phototype threads...it struck me as sycophantic behavior. furthermore, you inserted yourself into the recent dnimon/rockthrower intrigue by mentioning hompo's name again..."the dreaded hompo"...you weren't even around back then. You're trying to sound like an insider (much like enneathing tried to do a few times) but it just comes across as creepy to some people who don't even know or remember you. Then, going back to Zenbrat's thread for a moment, you used that geeky "unicorn of the will" metaphor to describe eights and when you got into your altercation with Glasgow after typing him a six, you ran away from the board and stayed away for awhile. Just doesn't seem solid enough to me for an eight fix.
you also had quite the reaction to veiled one typing you a 6w5 when you first arrived, then you waited until you made some friends on the board only to try and blindside her on a couple of threads, over the type issue. Skunk did the same exact thing with Marie. Males with a 1fix sometimes demonstrate a push-pull "cutthroat" style with women (especially intellectual or intelligent women) but also have sneaky ways of trying to ingratiate themselves with those same people. I think that's what Sunny was probably referring to. Since I've been here, you've attacked sunny, veiledone, shakti and bear in an unprovoked and nasty way not at all unlike dnimon's M.O. with women (and to a lesser extent skunk)...Both 1 fixers.
the slam dunk skunk...
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sunny
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 7:25:02 PM
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thomg, I was thinking that you remind me of someone else. Then I realized who it is; dnimon. There is something about the 2 of you that's very alike. I'd guess you share a type and stacking with him.
I'm not sure how annoying you intended that comment on being, but yet again you push my reactive buttons, jol, with your fatuity.
Okay...I've got your attention. That's good.
I didn't actually invite consideration of my type on this thread, but accepted it from Glasgow as he is a good typer and things have calmed down between me and him, and I asked him in the Hitler thread too I think.
Well, why didn't you ask him privately then?
The reason why I didn't invite open slather is precisely because of comments like yours.
My impression was that asking for feedback on this thread is, well...inviting feedback period. Maybe the rules are different for you?
Clearly, dnimon and I are both head types, and I happen to personally think him a decent person, but the resemblances end there. Our heart fix, our gut fix, our stacking, our core type are palpably different.
I notice similarities...things you may not be aware of.
Since you've made it clear that you only want feedback from certain people (those you want on your "team") I won't elaborate.
(My apologies to dnimon...I didn't intend any insult to him.)
And even then your comment is as vague as it is fatuous - you haven't bothered to take the time to even tell me what type and stacking dnimon is that is apparently the same as mine. Your cognition is like a naughty ghost flitting around the house of your self, you have no control over it ....
I like that! I do have a naughty ghost..now what about you...what about the way you ridicule others thomg? What do you call that part of yourself?
This is all about that. I think your treatment of others is disrespectful and it angers me. Really, it's that simple.
and of course you won't make the effort to advocate for your 'insight', and will respond with a single sentence or put down, putting up the shutters by going to 6.
Of course.
So I respond not to you, except as a fiction; this is for others' benefit, those who actually make an effort with the E. (I think that might mean "my chosen ones", but whatever.)
First off, dnimon seems 6w7, which is an impossible typing for me. If I were a 6 (which I'm not), I would be 6w5 (I have a 6w5 subwing on my core 5w4, creating shadow issues with 6w5).
Second, dnimon is clearly not sx/sp. My take is so/sx. If you seriously think I'm so/sx ... well, there's no bottom to your wrongness, is there? As Gerard Manley Hopkins said, 'No worst, there is none'.
You know, your reactive 6 fix is out of control
It doesn't bother me in the least to hear that, even though I see a different dynamic taking place.
... or are you just particularly unhealthy at the moment?
No, not especially.
Your capacity for mindless error amazes me, like a phenomenon of nature, and so reliable, like a comet, or a geyser like old faithful.
Well, you are not very good at listening to feedback at all!!
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dusty
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 10:00:35 PM
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Kate
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 10:22:53 PM
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Originally posted by dusty
At times there's almost an hysterical quality. He seems like a social climber, namedropping, scheming. I've always figured there was social stuff going on, or 4w3/3w4 stuff, I dunno.
I'm not so sure that's 'social stuff' as much as perhaps a habit of noticing who the supposed authorities (or those who are perceived as part of the establishment) are. I was bemused that I was named once, since I'm neither. 
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skunk
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 10:45:22 PM
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but accepted it from Glasgow as he is a good typer
he's decent with celebs, esp. their stacks (i even tune in to get his opinions sometimes) but he is a haphazard typer of boardies. |
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dusty
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 11:24:19 PM
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dusty
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 11:29:00 PM
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Originally posted by dusty
At times there's almost an hysterical quality. He seems like a social climber, namedropping, scheming. I've always figured there was social stuff going on, or 4w3/3w4 stuff, I dunno.
I'm not so sure that's 'social stuff' as much as perhaps a habit of noticing who the supposed authorities (or those who are perceived as part of the establishment) are. I was bemused that I was named once, since I'm neither.
Well I noticed that too, it's fairly obvious and can be intimidating to a newcomer I think. |
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Kate
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Posted - 01 Jun 2012 : 11:43:10 PM
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Well I noticed that too, it's fairly obvious and can be intimidating to a newcomer I think.
I'm not sure what you're saying is obvious.
Also, what's so intimidating? If you don't mind elaborating, I'd like to know.
Is it being the new one? Not having your place established? I don't want to guess. But, I'm going with this and wondering what's at play here.
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dusty
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:10:09 AM
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Well I noticed that too, it's fairly obvious and can be intimidating to a newcomer I think.
I'm not sure what you're saying is obvious.
Also, what's so intimidating? If you don't mind elaborating, I'd like to know.
Is it being the new one? Not having your place established? I don't want to guess. But, I'm going with this and wondering what's at play here.
Being amongst experts and not being an expert yourself (at least in my case) is intimidating. Also, not understanding board dynamic, not knowing anyone... usual newcomer stuff. This was the first forum I had ever posted at when I started (and actually that's still true) so it was even more strange. I think for me it was definitely the 'not knowing' part that made me so uncomfortable... not knowing as much, not understanding interactions, not understanding peoples' humor, not understanding how online communication works, wondering if I was missing something. Now I'm mostly over that because I understand things better and don't think there's any hidden stuff in interactions that other people are getting but I'm not.
But anyways, I still think everyone notices 'the cool kids'. It's human/animal nature, and it's human/animal nature to realize that they are in a more powerful position than yourself, they carry weight, they can make life difficult for you if they want. I've always realized this, and I notice the people who are social and laughing and have friends and I feel lame in comparison. I don't think I've ever done much about it one way or the other however. |
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:44:18 AM
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badman, you've really been saving some stuff up, huh? I'm flattered, really.
Anyways. I agree with whoever the first person was to type you as a 1 fix (orpheus?)...maybe 1w9.
I think that was Roshan, and I don't think anyone else has had that view.
You come across to me like too much of an academic and intellectual for an 8 fixer. A bit geeky. I remember, on one thread, you were referencing your 'degrees' as if that entitled your ideas to some level of respect.
That points towards a literal 1 fix. 1 fixers often believe that acquiring degrees, ranks, or other conventional tokens entitles them to being respected for their ideas...degrees are "father-oriented".[/b]
5 core. Yes to academic and geeky. But degrees, ranks, etc mean very little to me, as you would know if you understood 5w4, or INTP for that matter. Apart from that moment in that thread - you obviously have a tin ear for context - I don't think that way.
I also notice that your writing style often has a lot of excesss verbiage in it (see the introjection thread) and very often your observations miss organic process...In other words, your style is airy. It's more airy than it is earthy and experience-based. 1 fixers almost always convey a less organic grasp for process/behavior whereas 8w9 fixers convey the most. And 1 fixers are often pretty academic and obtuse in their use of language such as you often seem to be. Dnimon is the clearest exxample of this if you read some of his threads. He writes in a lot of abstraction and word salad.
Oh the irony. I write clearer and better than you. And what you write above proves it. Occasionally I go on metaphorical excursions. Metaphor is a source of knowledge to a 5w4. You are literalist, dry, and reductionist. Also, since when did 'organic process' become the opposite of 'airy'?
And like enneathing (a 9w1 fix), you can come across as pretty sycophantic and submissive to the opinions of others (in your case with dfgray)
I like gray and we are friends. You never had many friends, right? - so it may be an unfamilar concept to you.
and like enneathing you...you try to pass yourself off as an insider...on Zenbrat's 6 versus 8 thread, you mentioned Boss' name (boss wasn't even posting when you were around!) and you mentioned my old Hompo handle. You only mentioned hompo's name because you saw veiledone mention it not long before on one of eidbuser's phototype threads...it struck me as sycophantic behavior. furthermore, you inserted yourself into the recent dnimon/rockthrower intrigue by mentioning hompo's name again..."the dreaded hompo"...you weren't even around back then.
random, passing point in that thread, and certainly not 'inserting myself into the intrigue'. You are a sad, sad man - I mean, you were hompo - one of the most pathetic posters in the history of this board.
You're trying to sound like an insider (much like enneathing tried to do a few times) but it just comes across as creepy to some people who don't even know or remember you. Then, going back to Zenbrat's thread for a moment, you used that geeky "unicorn of the will" metaphor to describe eights and when you got into your altercation with Glasgow after typing him a six, you ran away from the board and stayed away for awhile. Just doesn't seem solid enough to me for an eight fix.
I don't think leaving the board in disgust at its futility (as I felt at the time) constitutes running away.
you also had quite the reaction to veiled one typing you a 6w5 when you first arrived, then you waited until you made some friends on the board only to try and blindside her on a couple of threads, over the type issue.
VO typed me as 6w5 round about the same time I had the run in Glasgow. I was in a very reactive and unhappy state at the time - thanks for asking.
Skunk did the same exact thing with Marie. Males with a 1fix sometimes demonstrate a push-pull "cutthroat" style with women (especially intellectual or intelligent women) but also have sneaky ways of trying to ingratiate themselves with those same people. I think that's what Sunny was probably referring to. Since I've been here, you've attacked sunny, veiledone, shakti and bear in an unprovoked and nasty way not at all unlike dnimon's M.O. with women (and to a lesser extent skunk)...Both 1 fixers.
I don't see that as a feature of 1-fixed males. |
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:46:36 AM
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:52:47 AM
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Originally posted by dusty
I agree with a lot of BADMAN's points. 8 fix seems wrong. thomg seems to have a lot of awareness and anxiety about how he is received. There's this slimy preening pomposity to him and when that vibe isn't going on he seems nervously defensive and attacks, in dirty underhanded ways, not in a bulldozer way the way Orpheus does. At times there's almost an hysterical quality. He seems like a social climber, namedropping, scheming. I've always figured there was social stuff going on, or 4w3/3w4 stuff, I dunno.
Feel the love! Thanks dusty, 'slimy preening pomposity' is one of the best insults I've ever had the pleasure to receive. I must really p.iss you off, which I'm glad to know.
You seem mainly dry, sterile, boring and again pathetic to me. Sorry I can't do anything better, but you've never inspired that much of a reaction in me, so my adjectives aren't flowing.
I'm intrigued by the namedropper, schemer, social climbing thing though. There is an element of that in me, with my 4w3 fix, but it seems like you're way overstating it due to your own complexes.
I think a lot of stuff gets confused by competence-fascism I have on the board, directly related to the fact that it's about the Enneagram, about which I care a great deal. This leads to reactivity with many people, including jol, who have little idea and can't even back up their wrongness with decent arguments. |
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:55:20 AM
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I'm not so sure that's 'social stuff' as much as perhaps a habit of noticing who the supposed authorities (or those who are perceived as part of the establishment) are. I was bemused that I was named once, since I'm neither.
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Kate, if you read the context of that, which I believe was in this thread re lovemyth, it was about saying - taking a random sample of people who popped into my head who aren't idiots - that there a lot of people on the board who seem to me to know more about the E than lovemyth. This was to refute her point that everyone was impossibly stupid. It was deliberately not a list of 'supposed authorities' or people who I think are particularly good typers or whatever. |
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Kate
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:55:22 AM
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Originally posted by dusty
Being amongst experts and not being an expert yourself (at least in my case) is intimidating. Also, not understanding board dynamic, not knowing anyone... usual newcomer stuff. This was the first forum I had ever posted at when I started (and actually that's still true) so it was even more strange. I think for me it was definitely the 'not knowing' part that made me so uncomfortable... not knowing as much, not understanding interactions, not understanding peoples' humor, not understanding how online communication works, wondering if I was missing something. Now I'm mostly over that because I understand things better and don't think there's any hidden stuff in interactions that other people are getting but I'm not.
But anyways, I still think everyone notices 'the cool kids'. It's human/animal nature, and it's human/animal nature to realize that they are in a more powerful position than yourself, they carry weight, they can make life difficult for you if they want. I've always realized this, and I notice the people who are social and laughing and have friends and I feel lame in comparison. I don't think I've ever done much about it one way or the other however.
Thanks, dusty.
"Being amongst experts and not being an expert yourself (at least in my case) is intimidating."
This is interesting. When I come into a new field, I know I'm a newbie and there are all levels of knowledge, competence and expertise. It's a continuum. Because I've changed occupations many times, I've started afresh and had to learn over something new each time. It charges me. I like that. It gets my juices flowing. Of course there are going to be experts (well, if you are lucky to be in an environment with one or more), but that's part of what's great about it. I don't find it intimidating. But, from what you've said I can see a different perspective and I know from my experience that most do find expertise intimidating. I think maybe if you're very into something and you feel lacking, that might trigger your feelings of competency, achievement, getting what you want, or critical judge. Or, it could make you feel like you will be abandoned or rejected. We are group animals.
"But anyways, I still think everyone notices 'the cool kids'."
haha I think most people notice those who are the most.
Prominant.
Verbose.
Forthright.
Entwined.
Established.
Connected.
And then they slso notice most who bug them.
Cool? That word isn't even used any more. How uncool of you.
blah, blah, blah...I don't even know what I'm rambling about anymore. It's storming here and I'm going to go enjoy the rain.
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Kate
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 12:58:48 AM
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Originally posted by thomg
Kate, if you read the context of that, which I believe was in this thread re lovemyth, it was about saying - taking a random sample of people who popped into my head who aren't idiots - that there a lot of people on the board who seem to me to know more about the E than lovemyth. This was to refute her point that everyone was impossibly stupid. It was deliberately not a list of 'supposed authorities' or people who I think are particularly good typers or whatever.
I know. I hear ya.
But, what I was saying is that you do notice who is who is all. I'm not making inferences from it. Just sayin'
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Kate
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Originally posted by thomg
Kate, if you read the context of that, which I believe was in this thread re lovemyth, it was about saying - taking a random sample of people who popped into my head who aren't idiots - that there a lot of people on the board who seem to me to know more about the E than lovemyth. This was to refute her point that everyone was impossibly stupid. It was deliberately not a list of 'supposed authorities' or people who I think are particularly good typers or whatever.
I know. I hear ya.
But, what I was saying is that you do notice who is who is all. I'm not making inferences from it. Just sayin'
Cool, no worries.
I can see why people want to double-competence me, a I'm a lot more priggish about mistakes or stupidity on the board than I am in real life. It's because I'm only here for the E.
And, as the spanish inquisition said, error has no rights.
But I think this is just as easily explained by sx first and 8 fix driving that competence fascism. |
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dusty
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:14:28 AM
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Originally posted by dusty
I agree with a lot of BADMAN's points. 8 fix seems wrong. thomg seems to have a lot of awareness and anxiety about how he is received. There's this slimy preening pomposity to him and when that vibe isn't going on he seems nervously defensive and attacks, in dirty underhanded ways, not in a bulldozer way the way Orpheus does. At times there's almost an hysterical quality. He seems like a social climber, namedropping, scheming. I've always figured there was social stuff going on, or 4w3/3w4 stuff, I dunno.
Feel the love! Thanks dusty, 'slimy preening pomposity' is one of the best insults I've ever had the pleasure to receive. I must really p.iss you off, which I'm glad to know.
You seem mainly dry, sterile, boring and again pathetic to me. Sorry I can't do anything better, but you've never inspired that much of a reaction in me, so my adjectives aren't flowing.
I'm intrigued by the namedropper, schemer, social climbing thing though. There is an element of that in me, with my 4w3 fix, but it seems like you're way overstating it due to your own complexes.
I think a lot of stuff gets confused by competence-fascism I have on the board, directly related to the fact that it's about the Enneagram, about which I care a great deal. This leads to reactivity with many people, including jol, who have little idea and can't even back up their wrongness with decent arguments.
No, you don't really[blocked]me off, I was just giving my impressions.
I don't think I'm overstating the need to 'get in' element of you, the need for validation, it's quite prominent. |
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:18:35 AM
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I don't think I'm overstating the need to 'get in' element of you, the need for validation, it's quite prominent.
Sounds like social first? Stop beating around the bush. My self-typing is roughly the same as what Glasgow said.
So how do you type me?
By the way, you really need to get laid if you feel the need to shower little ol' me with such invective. |
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dusty
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:27:28 AM
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I don't have a typing of you man. You can relax now.
I think I'm being fairly mild, actually. You've been such a jerk since I've been here there are much worse things I could say. |
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thomg
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:30:31 AM
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I don't have a typing of you man. You can relax now.
I think I'm being fairly mild, actually. You've been such a jerk since I've been here there are much worse things I could say.
I'm chilled, actually, thanks for asking. I'm off to watch Buffy. |
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dusty
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:44:59 AM
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Glasgow
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 05:12:42 AM
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...You come across to me like too much of an academic and intellectual for an 8 fixer. A bit geeky. I remember, on one thread, you were referencing your 'degrees' as if that entitled your ideas to some level of respect. That points towards a literal 1 fix. 1 fixers often believe that acquiring degrees, ranks, or other conventional tokens entitles them to being respected for their ideas...degrees are "father-oriented".
I also notice that your writing style often has a lot of excesss verbiage in it (see the introjection thread) and very often your observations miss organic process...In other words, your style is airy. It's more airy than it is earthy and experience-based. 1 fixers almost always convey a less organic grasp for process/behavior whereas 8w9 fixers convey the most. And 1 fixers are often pretty academic and obtuse in their use of language such as you often seem to be. Dnimon is the clearest exxample of this if you read some of his threads. He writes in a lot of abstraction and word salad...
one might consider 5-1-4 .
thom has a fussy, pretentious side. too he gives sometims a certain impression as if he believes himself to be superior and different from others - misunderstood but brilliant, to put it bluntly. this could point to a 1-fix influence. this could also point to a combination of 5 and 4. though the 1-fix refers more to the moral superiority whereas the core 5 thinks himself to be intellectual superior which does more apply to thom.
in addition to that his reactivity, aggressivity and (at least verbally on this board) lack of self control points away from a 1-fix.
hence i attach greater importance to the lust element of the 8fix.
bigger picture: thom is more reatcive, direct, impulsive and confrontative than finicky, idealistic and principled.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 05:39:08 AM
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sunny and thom,
sunny, yes indeed , thom is right in this regard, you have a provoking style sometimes characterised by vague assumptions and a lack of objectiveness. i dont understand that. however sometimes it really seems you're looking for trouble or as we say in german as you would cry for beating. 
i mean your opinions are appreciated while your style to explain some of them is something one has pretty much get used to it, to put it mildly.
well and on the other hand, you're right, sunny, thommy is highly reactive. over time he will be more relaxed on this borad i guess. he is still very excited about the typings especially those of his own type...
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dboon
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 05:43:23 AM
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btw
however sometimes it really seems you're looking for trouble or as we say in german as you would cry for beating.
i mean your opinions are appreciated while your style to explain some of them is something one has pretty much get used to it, to put it mildly.
I really don't agree.. Jol, sunny, whatever is simply speaking from a perspective reality. hers. That anybody else is reactive to it says more about them than her.
and to add.. she freq. seeks a kind truth. In this sense I give her the benefit of doubt. Again, those that feel verbally violent toward her are really acting out they own shiz. She's a lightning rod for men and women hiding their anger.
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TYPES of the MEMBERS who want to be typed II
