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Originally posted by dnimon


i find the symbolic architecture on some too precise and detailed for them to be attributed to fraud

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Originally posted by dusty

Creepy and weird.

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Originally posted by lovemyth

i shouldn't talk to you. but in some of your harsh judgement i see some of myself and so i want to share some things that i found to be interesting.

Yet the ongoing and increasing phenomena is hardly covered by commercial media;

media is faddish but very much a reflection - and it was the focus for a while but it grew tired over time. isn't there something interesting in the cycle of our interests and what it can tell us about the zeitergiest? can't we just use the fact of it- instead of getting upset at it for not reflecting us personally and what we believe is true and important? thus judging it as ignorant or shallow or trite or trivial?

I agree that media is a reflection, but the reflection disturbs me; i guess its the tenacity with which the individual, and hence the collective adheres itself to any given prevailing world view, and or the security of biology, darwinian thinking, closed mindedness.....that people prefer to let others determine what they should think...rather than think for themselves.....yes it frustrates me a lot sometimes.

But then, people feel safe in the "known world", the known spheres of knowledge, and tend to fear and reject the unknown, and, in cases like these they have no frame of reference to accommodate the information. The vacuous news reporter style i described embodies all of the above, and yeah, i just want to break something over their heads.

Opinion can be of different quality, it can be the result of lack of real thought, following along behind the herd, and the herd moves without discriminating between the abattoir and the green pastures. Yeah its a weakness on my part, that it pees me off so, but it does


and yes your view of it i think is very interesting. but can you separate yourself from your view to see it as an interesting view? another one in the very different ways we can approach a thing?

I'm not so big on the "your truth, my truth/your view my view approach", because to me it misses what is crucial, i much prefer, "your thinking, my thinking".....not, everyone else seems to think this, so that's my view; again i agree we approach a given things in different ways, but which way, and based on what?....our own investigation, our own thinking........or merely the ad tedium recital of what social convention dictates/what others think


seriously i am not trying to be offensive and i hope to not startle your defenses. it is very interesting your views on the circles and what they represent. i don;t know about pi or mayan something or another. i just though the second one was very beautiful.

The crop circles interest me because they show something new, interesting and mysterious; they invite us to explore, understand and learn something entirely fresh, to expand our insight and knowledge.........so when i see these kind of phenomena approached with vacuous gawaffing about little green men, it evokes considerable hostility in me.

The circles are often very beautiful. for some people thats enough, and i can respect that, but from the scientific community i expect something very different; i expect a good knowledge filter, that is, methods be applied with equal rigour and to the same measure regarding all phenomena. What happens instead is that social convention determines how these methods and measures are applied; in the case of darwinian evolution, ufo's and crop circles in particular is "we know these things are rubbish, so all that remains is to find or invent some way in which they can be explained according to our established beliefs..............this may well be entrenched human behavior, but it poos me no end nonetheless.

please feel free to ignore me if you feel i'm being lame or what i have said is irrelevant to you. just wanted to share.

Meh, i don't have the slightest issue with you lovemyth, but i can understand how you mighthave thought that i did, i do have a talent for unwittingly peeing off people.

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Originally posted by lovemyth


i think it's important to you to especially distinguish yourself as a thinking, curious, exploratory daring sort.

it's in my nature to be that way..i can't make myself otherwise by any means, sometimes i really feel cursed by some of it, thinking is rubbish compared to the practical talents i see in others which blow me away, sometimes i struggle to hammer a nail in straight or remove an oil sump plug

which you are it would seem to me. and many people do not value what can be gained from being so. but that's kinda good because if they did then what would you have to bring? they bring them and you can bring you right?

possibly,its conditional and there's dimensions to it, others may bring beautiful art, music, and all kinds of capacities...by all means bring them, i don't even mind rubbish brought, under most circumstances. thinking is somehow different for me, i'm immersed in it, that's not to say my thinking is always worth much.....but just that it brings me pleasure and its default behavior.

you seem sensitive to the idea that what you have to bring will not be valued by others.

haha, actually not all that much, i mean i've spent 8 years in a forum whose ideology i reject completely, other than the enneagram symbol is worth a great deal.I expect most of my thinking on the subject to be greeted with disdain, but obviously i like it when its not

in that maybe i see some devaluation of others as protection.

to an extent, but this has other origins, low self esteem of my formative years, and habits stemming from this period, including self pity, if the appropriate triggers are struck

it's probably based on very real experiences- i've felt the same. but not everyone is so closed to you. just some people.

this kinda relates to misconceptions some have about me; i don't come here to seek love acceptance, to find friends or relationships, seek pity and so forth, i come here to express myself and sometimes to share ideas, find interesting perspectives.........and to occupy myself.

i also view it the collective worldview as being more naturalistic and more pervasive and subtle than as something that is being adhered. shared collective experiences- particularly sometimes in all having to view- the previous worldview that came before them- with the same constant restrictions of limited sense of context- that i think is universal- limited contexts, i mean.

its hard to escape yeah, but advantageous to do so as much as possible, its one of the few areas of history i find of great practical use. In australia there is so much trumped up guilt about being responsible for the social more/truths, world view of long past social mores. i find it ridiculous to pay compensation to women who lived under a patriarchal more....or ethnic groups who lived under a racist more, or christians who once lived under polytheism, or descendants of those people from countries in europe brtualized by one hostile invasion after another....so yeah, it pays to realise that the valued we hold dear and to be true in this social more, have no intrinsicd relationship to fact, truth or reality.


what is being missed in your opinion between view and thought?

views are easily arrived at without thought, thought changes views and usually/inevitably away from those of a given cultural more.

and also so what does the second one mean- in the crop circles pictures i mean?

i havent looked into any meanings behind the second circle, i included it because of its aesthetic




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i buy this phenomena, obviously not each and every one, some are forged but not, imo, those with astonishing scale and complexity which very often appear overnight, and sometimes over two nights, after the crop circle enthusiasts have arrived day one.

i find the symbolic architecture on some too precise and detailed for them to be attributed to fraud, and the time frame to create some of these, impossible to achieve overnight , without dozens of skilled people and a whole heap of floodlights.

What is almost never reported is that on a number of occasions mulitple credible witnesses have seen them form in a matter of minutes,

here are a few that impress me

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Originally posted by lovemyth

i don't come here to seek love acceptance, to find friends or relationships, seek pity and so forth,

i didn't think so- i was just viewing it as necessary by product of interacting with people in general , know what i mean?

but yeah thanks for speaking with me and giving me some understanding of you.

yeah i do....i've never had a problem at any stage with you LM, and i certainly didnt flame you as part of some push pull six agenda; i get shocked when people react strongly because i rarely set out to achieve that....i do have a long history of inadvertently pisssing people off irl as well though, and it upsets and mystifies me.precisely because it was not my intention.......and actually sometimes i am trying for just the opposite......in the case of this thread though....i was just passing time, and my attention was piqued by the nature documentary idea..........and it all went pear shaped from there



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