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Lenny306
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 Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 10:14:27 PM
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| Hi, I respectfully ask that persons put in parenthesis what the meaning of what they are saying is (ex. soc. and sp) as I am trying to learn as much as I can in a short period of time and I find so much confusing on here, even though I have three Enneagram books here at home. Realize that a new person to the enneagram may not understand exactly what you are talking about and please put it in laymans language. As a side note, as a new person it seems there is quite a bit of rudeness between the members. Is it in fun? |
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Abi
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 10:34:57 PM
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Welcome to the board, Lenny.
I doubt you will get people to do the notations but, if they do, keep in mind that there is often a lot of inaccurancy & confusion as to what different posters think is soc, sx or sp...or typish...or anything, actually.
Sadly, most of the rudeness is not in fun...at least not anymore. Of course, that's just my opinion and I could be confused.
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Kate
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 11:11:53 PM
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sp means self preservation instinct
so means social instinct
sx means sexual instinct
Welcome. :) |
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Lenny306
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 11:25:41 PM
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Thank you Kate! Just for reference, I feel I am a 6w7 female with sp instinct. Thank you for the welcome.  |
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Lenny306
Member
USA
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 11:28:24 PM
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| Thank you Abi. |
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Fleets
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 01:01:04 AM
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Originally posted by Fleets
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Originally posted by Lenny306
As a side note, as a new person it seems there is quite a bit of rudeness between the members.
Yes, and it seems pointless. A pointless activity.
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rockthrower
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 03:32:15 AM
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Hi Lenny, welcome.
I respectfully ask that persons put in parenthesis what the meaning of what they are saying is (ex. soc. and sp) as I am trying to learn as much as I can in a short period of time.
Well lenny 306, if I understand what you are asking.
One of the ways I simply understand (ex. soc. and sp), soc and sp, is like politics, generally there is a competition between the two main political forces, the left and the right.
In the country I reside within, (A little sensitivity there), there is two main political forces the Australian Labour party, (they generally consist of soc types and the Liberal National Party, they mostly consist of sp types.
And Likened to a pendulum, the power of governance shifts between the two Party’s as the primary custodian.
We have a third political force emerging, the Australian Green’s Party and there political platform is very much to the energy of, sx.
Although they are in a venerable stage of there development they are working as a fine catalyst between the fuddle verbal competition between the two major political Party's and there insistence to bend the agenda of business unto there own political bias’s.
Man works slowly within its maturation but I see authentic synergy on the horizon.
Lenny I am all most envy of your choosing, 308, my inner-computer seems to run at that same speed, lol
It is a difficult thing to explain the nuances of type, the flux is multiple layered and seems to me often to be no more then a tape loop nuance with in resonance.
Tensions, Strains, and Stress are sheared by all Nine energies / or as I would say 18 types.
Those; Tensions, Strains, and Stress are played out uniquely for all individuals and the politics that result can and make it extremely difficult to to hold resonance within awareness.
One way I think of those three ingredients is:
Sp = Tension.
Soc = Strain.
Sx = Stress.
And so a mask is needed to hide and distract, form the venerability’s pertaining from the fusion of the E within Self and Other.
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rockthrower
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 03:42:45 AM
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So it is like a cake or may be three forces injunct as Like lightning a plasma or and a, forest storm of synapses fire-ring; saying’ mm mm mmm chocolate. Chocolate sponge chocolate icing chocolate dusting.
Is it in fun?
It is in fun and in were ever people are at. Above all, it is only energy,
I don't take it on as an emotional assault, I find it amusing It generally informs me as to wether the person is left or right brain dominant by there retort's and aversions of passive evil  intent.. lol |
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Lake
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 04:30:05 AM
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Originally posted by Lenny306
As a side note, as a new person it seems there is quite a bit of rudeness between the members. Is it in fun?
hello, Lenny.
no, it's usually not in fun, imo-- that's typically any one, or combination of, unrefined idea, boundry, pecking-order, and ego assertion, and/or the tension of opposites.
i know for me I try and make it clear if I'm joking or not. sometimes I miss the mark though, for a bevy of reasons...
of course, there are also a myriad of different types of people here from varying view points, as well as varying levels of health and consciousness.
in other words... It's just like the real world-- perhaps even worse for the inherent anonymity.
I know I often use this place to stretch my 'forbidden muscles', as one prior member put it.
good luck out there.
*hands Lenny a helmet, a shield, and a sword* |
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Lake
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 04:45:13 AM
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There really are some truly amazing people here though. I've learned/am learning a lot... I hope  |
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skyboy
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 05:20:57 AM
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The concepts people use usually on this board, that you may not find in all books about the E are :
- instinctual stacking : this is an improvement of subtypes claiming that one instinct is dominant and more neurotic, the second one is average and less neurotic, the last one is avoided. You can find an intro to stacking out there : http://ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?&MMN_position=12:12
- tritype or trifix : this is a theory saying that, after the main type, two other types are also quite dominant in each person in each of the other centres. This can be a good introduction : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritype
After some time spent in observing myself and people, I am almost completely convinced by the fact that both of these theories are true and matching reality. I think most members of the board would agree.
Additional usual vocabulary on the board :
DOD : direction of disintegration = the stress arrow
DOI : direction of integration = the growth arrow
Even though people on this board are usually not experts, some might sometimes overestimate their abilities, this is globally a good place to learn and put theoretical knowledge to practice. Some members here are very good at typing celebrities for example, and their insights about it are often better than some by well-know E-teachers. It's up to you now to find out who they are... 
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Abi
Member
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 08:51:31 AM
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Kate - aha...thx!
I was reading the board much too late in the day for me and didn't get what Lenny was requesting.
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shakti
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 12:12:08 PM
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Lenny, beyond the rudeness and the reality of mixed perspectives that don't offer offer a clear stream of insight or knowledge, there's still good stuff here and moments of sweetness and generosity, too. Of course, it is the Internet and one ought to exercise some degree of caution about sharing personal email addresses, meeting in person and so on, but many regulars have met others offline, and some groups of people who post here end up meeting at the IEA (Enneagram Conference) each year.
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 1:35:36 PM
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Is it in fun?
i think 90% of the time it is in fun. However, i think reading the responses from people are interesting. Like with abi, she has a sharp wit and often claims things were said in fun. I have a hard time reading her and have been hurt by her before. she could say the same about me.
I think most times people are being playful.. but fail.
That is just my opinion and my reality. I am only not being playful rarely when i sass or act weird. That play is to defect like wonderwoman's wrist bands or to let someone know i like them. As a 6w7.. you understand that what R&H wrote about 6's at level 2 can be found in 6's of all health levels.
Keep in mind people may post drunk, stoned, both or on other drugs, and that can alter their ability to read others and lead to unintended conflict. Try not to take things personally. That is a huge one. Most people live in their own bubbles and assume a lot. They see each other on this form almost like talking characters in a book and they embellish those characters with their own imaginations often, not knowing they are doing so. there is a lot of dissociation because of the net realm we live in on this board. Sit back, try not to be upset if your soul is not understood.
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skyboy
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 3:08:12 PM
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Lila quote:
They see each other on this form almost like talking characters in a book and they embellish those characters with their own imaginations often, not knowing they are doing so.
I may sound completely naive, but I just realized what you say one week ago. 
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rockthrower
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 3:14:54 PM
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| Lenny306, have you an interest in the art's, drawing, writhing, dance? |
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BADMAN
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 6:01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Abi
Welcome to the board, Lenny.
I doubt you will get people to do the notations but, if they do, keep in mind that there is often a lot of inaccurancy & confusion as to what different posters think is soc, sx or sp...or typish...or anything, actually.
Sadly, most of the rudeness is not in fun...at least not anymore. Of course, that's just my opinion and I could be confused.
I think it's time for you to retire from the board, Abi.
BADMAN did you a service years ago. When you kicked up about shinobi shaw...shinobi shaw was barely heard from again after that due to the intervention of BADMAN and others that followed the charge behind BADMAN. And I'm sure the people that were there remember the favor I done for you and you weren't kicking up about me helping you out none. When you needed a friend, and could find no protection in the so-called customs of the land, it was BADMAN that extended his long arm of power. When you wanted justice, BADMAN was the one that gave it to you.
But you showed yourself to be another judas on the Stackemup thread...ungrateful. Ya tried to negatively get in BADMAN's business on that other thread with that screenshot but missed. You missed. And those two sockpuppet cronies from the old days missed as well. Now I reckon it's time for you to retire.
the slam dunk skunk...
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Analog_Music
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 7:27:01 PM
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This place falls into the realm of "Murderous Spiritual Prosperity."
ie: I am a highly evolved, intellectually and spiritually superior person who has spent many many years on my own personal development AND I WILL KILL YOU TO PROVE IT.
Huge egos about transcendence of ego, I think it's poetic. |
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Kate
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 7:43:20 PM
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Originally posted by whitelila
Most people live in their own bubbles and assume a lot.
Most. Not all. How we define says something of our own experience.
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Originally posted by whitelila
They see each other on this form almost like talking characters in a book and they embellish those characters with their own imaginations often, not knowing they are doing so. there is a lot of dissociation
Again. I think some do this. Not all.
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Originally posted by whitelila
because of the net realm we live in on this board.
Some live in it. Some don't.
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Originally posted by whitelila
Sit back, try not to be upset if your soul is not understood.
Getting a picture of a dentist's drill. 
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Fleets
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 8:49:56 PM
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Originally posted by Analog_Music
This place falls into the realm of "Murderous Spiritual Prosperity."
LOL Yes, there's humour in it. |
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whatscookin
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 9:00:18 PM
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Originally posted by BADMAN
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Originally posted by Abi
Welcome to the board, Lenny.
I doubt you will get people to do the notations but, if they do, keep in mind that there is often a lot of inaccurancy & confusion as to what different posters think is soc, sx or sp...or typish...or anything, actually.
Sadly, most of the rudeness is not in fun...at least not anymore. Of course, that's just my opinion and I could be confused.
I think it's time for you to retire from the board, Abi.
BADMAN did you a service years ago. When you kicked up about shinobi shaw...shinobi shaw was barely heard from again after that due to the intervention of BADMAN and others that followed the charge behind BADMAN. And I'm sure the people that were there remember the favor I done for you and you weren't kicking up about me helping you out none. When you needed a friend, and could find no protection in the so-called customs of the land, it was BADMAN that extended his long arm of power. When you wanted justice, BADMAN was the one that gave it to you.
But you showed yourself to be another judas on the Stackemup thread...ungrateful. Ya tried to negatively get in BADMAN's business on that other thread with that screenshot but missed. You missed. And those two sockpuppet cronies from the old days missed as well. Now I reckon it's time for you to retire.
the slam dunk skunk...
Dear Mister Badman,
The world will not end tomorrow. I guarantee it. |
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dusty
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 9:11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Lenny306
As a side note, as a new person it seems there is quite a bit of rudeness between the members. Is it in fun?
I don't think the rudeness ever gets too bad actually. I can be as rude as anybody, but once I unload whatever it is that I'm stewing over then I can put the issue behind me and even start liking whoever it was that bothered me so. |
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thomg
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 9:23:33 PM
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Originally posted by Analog_Music
This place falls into the realm of "Murderous Spiritual Prosperity."
ie: I am a highly evolved, intellectually and spiritually superior person who has spent many many years on my own personal development AND I WILL KILL YOU TO PROVE IT.
Huge egos about transcendence of ego, I think it's poetic.
LOL.
And huge assumptions that ego/type is something that can (and should) be transcended.
There is huge narcissism (and unreality and lack of humility) in that assumption, common to much 'spiritual' literature.
And this dovetails with the narcissistic superiority in thinking one has in fact transcended ego/type - or at least, has transcended much more than others.
Of course, when the emptiness of the notion of transcending type in the name of presence/essence is raised by people like me on the board, it evokes reactions like 'you're a nihilist'. I take this as projection of their own nihilism implicit in the notion of 'transcending type', which is essentially an anti-human concept (masquerading as a more truly human one). Very much like Nietzsche's diagnosis of the nihilism in the spiritual assumptions of Christianity that then projects nihilism onto those who criticise or eschew those assumptions. |
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Orpheus
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 11:04:46 PM
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who talks about transcending type around here?
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Originally posted by BADMAN
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Originally posted by Abi
Welcome to the board, Lenny.
I doubt you will get people to do the notations but, if they do, keep in mind that there is often a lot of inaccurancy & confusion as to what different posters think is soc, sx or sp...or typish...or anything, actually.
Sadly, most of the rudeness is not in fun...at least not anymore. Of course, that's just my opinion and I could be confused.
I think it's time for you to retire from the board, Abi.
BADMAN did you a service years ago. When you kicked up about shinobi shaw...shinobi shaw was barely heard from again after that due to the intervention of BADMAN and others that followed the charge behind BADMAN. And I'm sure the people that were there remember the favor I done for you and you weren't kicking up about me helping you out none. When you needed a friend, and could find no protection in the so-called customs of the land, it was BADMAN that extended his long arm of power. When you wanted justice, BADMAN was the one that gave it to you.
But you showed yourself to be another judas on the Stackemup thread...ungrateful. Ya tried to negatively get in BADMAN's business on that other thread with that screenshot but missed. You missed. And those two sockpuppet cronies from the old days missed as well. Now I reckon it's time for you to retire.
you make yourself into a joke.
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King Night
Mutima kwithu kuli nkongono, para kakuwira comene
Love has come to rule and transform.
Stay awake, my heart, stay awake.
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 11:08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kate
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Originally posted by whitelila
Most people live in their own bubbles and assume a lot.
Most. Not all. How we define says something of our own experience.
quote:
Originally posted by whitelila
They see each other on this form almost like talking characters in a book and they embellish those characters with their own imaginations often, not knowing they are doing so. there is a lot of dissociation
Again. I think some do this. Not all.
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Originally posted by whitelila
because of the net realm we live in on this board.
Some live in it. Some don't.
quote:
Originally posted by whitelila
Sit back, try not to be upset if your soul is not understood.
Getting a picture of a dentist's drill.
Um, i have now decided they all do it. You have no say in my world. 
I'm the master. You suck my toes in the shower.
You might say none of that is true.. not true in your world.
ha!
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jun 2012 : 11:10:14 PM
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Originally posted by skyboy
Lila quote:
They see each other on this form almost like talking characters in a book and they embellish those characters with their own imaginations often, not knowing they are doing so.
I may sound completely naive, but I just realized what you say one week ago.
4w5 SP/SO (Tritype 451)
It says a lot that you figured it out though. It holds true in real life too, but maybe more subtlety.
The thing of it is, not all people share the same humor.
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