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Lenny306
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 Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 11:37:13 PM
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Here is my latest thought after reading several comments on the board: And, yes, I think this way myself and try to act accordingly. What if a person you respected was watching your every move? Your pastor, priest, parent you respect, or another person you would like to be seen well by? Would you post the same content you post anonymously?
Would you act the same? Would you open the doors for others at the store, return carts, and let people in line in traffic? Would others opinions influence you to be a "nicer" person? And if so, why aren't you doing those things now? Of course being nice is relative. I am talking about doing things to strangers generally accepted as nice. |
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Timo84
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 11:52:43 PM
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No, I wouldnt post that many things and I am a bit afraid to be seen and found out. Besides that Id like to mention that quite a few post personal information and pictures here, so its not that anonymous.
Besides that I bet that you are either a 1 to which this superego-structure of yours might fit or a 9 who cannot stand conflicts... isnt that the case? |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 3:56:28 PM
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whitelila
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 4:05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Lenny306
Here is my latest thought after reading several comments on the board: And, yes, I think this way myself and try to act accordingly. What if a person you respected was watching your every move? Your pastor, priest, parent you respect, or another person you would like to be seen well by? Would you post the same content you post anonymously?
Would you act the same? Would you open the doors for others at the store, return carts, and let people in line in traffic? Would others opinions influence you to be a "nicer" person? And if so, why aren't you doing those things now? Of course being nice is relative. I am talking about doing things to strangers generally accepted as nice.
If someone was watching me all the time, no matter who they were, i would seek to have them locked up away from me.
But to answer your question, yes, I know what "good behavior" is. It is a social mask. It is the civilized animal that can live in a small space with other humans.
In small spaces we must be civilized animals in order to survive as a species.
For the record, I like large houses with my own room.
Just so you know, the people I respect know all about this board and my behavior on it. It's the people I don't respect that I wear a social mask for all the time. |
Edited by - whitelila on 19 Jun 2012 4:15:19 PM |
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Stormy
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 4:06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Lenny306
Here is my latest thought after reading several comments on the board: And, yes, I think this way myself and try to act accordingly. What if a person you respected was watching your every move? Your pastor, priest, parent you respect, or another person you would like to be seen well by? Would you post the same content you post anonymously?
Would you act the same? Would you open the doors for others at the store, return carts, and let people in line in traffic? Would others opinions influence you to be a "nicer" person? And if so, why aren't you doing those things now? Of course being nice is relative. I am talking about doing things to strangers generally accepted as nice.
Depends why I respected the person.
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jevoudrais
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 4:07:54 PM
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It depends. What is the pastor wearing? Rowr... 
Here is the "dishy vicar" from Keeping Up Appearances.
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whitelila
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 4:13:37 PM
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Originally posted by jevoudrais
It depends. What is the pastor wearing? Rowr...
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jevoudrais
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 4:33:04 PM
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I like the way light bounces off his toes. I want to draw them.
Also, I approve of wearing pajamas when you take your horse for a walk in the desert.
Horse: I think I'll water this [blocked]ly pear.
Guy in pajamas: *Yawn* Wotever, horsey horse. When we get back to the ranch, I'm going right back to bed.
Horse: *snorts* |
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Fleets
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 6:14:32 PM
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Des, was that 'sick face' in response to my post. or
in relation to the general thread?
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Invicta
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 7:24:34 PM
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| Kind of creepy for someone to be cyberstalking me enough to know my screen name on the internet. I would hope that such a person was offended by something I did or said, as a form of justice. |
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sunny
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 8:25:29 PM
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Originally posted by Fleets
Des, was that 'sick face' in response to my post. or
in relation to the general thread?
I deleted my post which was between your's and Des's, so for sure it had nothing to do with you Fleets.
(I was pretty sure it wasn't about what I said either.)
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Fleets
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 8:40:17 PM
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Originally posted by sunny
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Originally posted by Fleets
Des, was that 'sick face' in response to my post. or
in relation to the general thread?
I deleted my post which was between your's and Des's, so for sure it had nothing to do with you Fleets.
(I was pretty sure it wasn't about what I said either.)
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Ah, thanks Sunny, that clears it up. I generally find it is better to ask.
(I deleted mine too, more caution than content.) |
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Lake
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 9:31:54 PM
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Desdemona
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Posted - 19 Jun 2012 : 11:25:17 PM
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Originally posted by Fleets
Des, was that 'sick face' in response to my post. or
in relation to the general thread?
The initial post.
Being monitored in such a manner would make me kill myself quickly. The horror. And not because I feel I should live up to anyone else's standards of proper behavior, but because I just couldn't function under that kind of invasion.
Had nothing at all to do with your post.
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Fleets
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 01:21:05 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
quote:
Originally posted by Fleets
Des, was that 'sick face' in response to my post. or
in relation to the general thread?
The initial post.
Being monitored in such a manner would make me kill myself quickly. The horror. And not because I feel I should live up to anyone else's standards of proper behavior, but because I just couldn't function under that kind of invasion.
Had nothing at all to do with your post.
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Many thanks, Des.
Regarding your comment, this is precisely the function of the inner
critic - from which there is never an escape. The most one can do is reason with the bastard, if he cannot be shouted down.
I suppose (if) this applies to externalized circumstances, action might be preferable to suicide. |
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enneathing
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 01:25:05 AM
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Originally posted by Invicta
Kind of creepy for someone to be cyberstalking me enough to know my screen name on the internet. I would hope that such a person was offended by something I did or said, as a form of justice.
lol, yeah. |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 01:45:57 AM
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Originally posted by Fleets
I suppose (if) this applies to the circumstance, action might be preferable to suicide.
I don't know that I'd actually kill myself in that situation, rather than taking some other kind of action....although the scenario would lead to a massive amount of frustration, and God knows if I ever killed myself, it would be out of frustration. I was really just trying to express how horrific the idea is to me.
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Fleets
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 01:48:34 AM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
I don't know that I'd actually kill myself in that situation, rather than taking some other kind of action....although the scenario would lead to a massive amount of frustration, and God knows if I ever killed myself, it would be out of frustration. I was really just trying to express how horrific the idea is to me.
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Yes, I understand.
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Kate
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 02:47:21 AM
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Originally posted by Fleets
Many thanks, Des.
Regarding your comment, this is precisely the function of the inner
critic - from which there is never an escape.
That was astute. Yeah, I see it the same way but would add on the archetypes of Father and God.
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Originally posted by Fleets
The most one can do is reason with the bastard, if he cannot be shouted down.
Or perhaps integrate or assimilate that which has become something onerous.
This made me think of a section of chapter, in a book I read recently:
quoted from: Seventy-Eight Degrees of Wisdom: A Book of Tarot, by Rachel Pollack
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The Emperor
For each child its parents are archetypes. Not just mother and father, but Mother and Father. Because our mothers give us life and feed us and shelter us we tend to see them as figures of love and mercy (and get very upset when they act harshly or coldly). but the Father, especially in traditional times when the sex roles were stricter, remained more remote, and therefore a figure of severity. It was the father who bore the authority and thus became the judge, the father who punished (and the mother who intervened) and the father who taught us the rules of society and then demanded obedience. To the child the father is in many ways indistinguishable from society as a whole, just as the mother is nature itself. One of the painful moments of maturity for many people comes when they discover the limited humanity of their parents.
In Freud's scheme of mental development the father and the rules of society become direcly linked. The infant pyche demands constant satisfaction, particularly in its desires for food and physical pleasure from the mother.
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By interfering in the child's relationship to its mother the father arouses the child's hostility, and for the still unrepressed infant, this means a desire to do away with the interference altogether. The urge to destroy the father, however, cannot be consummated or even recognized, and so the psyche, to relieve the terrible dilemma, identifies itself with the Father image, creating a 'super-ego' as a new guide for the self.
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But, what form does this super-ego take? Precisely that of the rules of society, traditionally learned from the father's guidance.
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the Emperor carries the wider significance of the social world 'married' to nature. He symbolizes the laws of society, both good and bad, and the power that enforces them.
bold mine
It seems that our relationship to being watched might have something to do with our image also and our experience with this says something of our psychic relationship with how we are seen (judged by Father, The Emperor).
It doesn't surprise me that our image/shame fix is tied to our relationship with our father.
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eidbuser
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 02:57:25 AM
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this is me in the future |
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Kate
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 02:59:42 AM
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Originally posted by eidbuser
this is me in the future
*hand pump* 
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 12:38:17 PM
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It doesn't surprise me that our image/shame fix is tied to our relationship with our father.
Dunno, it's my mother I'd rather avoid being monitored by. Ugh. The initial post assumes that we'll want to be what the "watcher" wants us to be. I don't feel a need to be what anyone else wants, but in terms of my parents (mother especially), I do like to avoid haranguing. I do what I want and let her believe what she likes so she won't harass me about it indefinitely.
I like Invicta's answer, though, heh.
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Stormy
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 12:44:30 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
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Originally posted by Kate
It doesn't surprise me that our image/shame fix is tied to our relationship with our father.
Dunno, it's my mother I'd rather avoid being monitored by.
Me too; Ichazo stated the relationship with one's father determines Fixation in the Image Triad, but correlated the Image Triad with anger, not shame per se.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 1:01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Stormy
Me too; Ichazo stated the relationship with one's father determines Fixation in the Image Triad, but correlated the Image Triad with anger, not shame per se.
That's interesting. Can you explain more about that?
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Stormy
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 1:56:46 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
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Originally posted by Stormy
Me too; Ichazo stated the relationship with one's father determines Fixation in the Image Triad, but correlated the Image Triad with anger, not shame per se.
That's interesting. Can you explain more about that?
According to Ichazo, each Type in the Image Triad - of Living Group, as he called it - has a Fixation rooted in a form of hostility, which colours the relationship with the father figure:
E2 - Envy - controlled by father figure
E3 - Hatred - ignored by father figure
E4 - Jealousy - criticized by father figure
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Edited by - Stormy on 20 Jun 2012 1:57:13 PM |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 Jun 2012 : 2:03:14 PM
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Thanks for elaborating, Stormy. I'll have to think about that. I know I didn't feel ignored by my father. We always had a very positive relationship, though there were elements of feeling both criticized and controlled, which I think is pretty normal in a parent/child relationship.
I find it interesting that they differentiate between jealousy and envy. I think of these as the same emotion. How would envy be different than jealousy? The only context I can think of where they'd be different is romantic, and I understand that difference very well, but otherwise I'm not sure.
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What if you were being watched?
