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Crooner
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 Posted - 30 Jul 2012 : 10:22:06 PM
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The original 2012 IEA Conference thread seems to focus on
our impressions of other EIDB members that we met in person.
I’m starting this new thread for comments/reviews of the
various presentations at the 2012 IEA Conference.
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Lake
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 12:58:54 PM
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I really enjoyed Russ, and his tri-fold instincts w/in each instinct lecture. I'll post my notes soon ...
I also liked Susan Olesek, and how she is using the E in the prison system. I left her lecture early, and don't have much notes to post on the topic, but I'll link up to her non-profit org.
I suppose i'll also post about my impressions of Condon ...
I'm sad face I missed the Fauvres. |
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Crooner
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 1:59:38 PM
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I submitted my contact info for Susan Olesek’s mailing list,
indicating to her that Soledad Prison is within driving range.
Her presentation included a vignette on how Vipassana meditation
has been transformative for some. As I recall, it was a clip
from a documentary film called The Dhamma Brothers.
I’m capable of both teaching meditation and teaching the Enneagram.
At this point in life, I have plenty of time for Pro Bono endeavors.
I recall Susan wearing a rather drab outfit, while most of the
IEA presenters were wearing suits. As I’m writing this, it just
occurred to me that her navy blue work shirt and matching navy blue,
loose-fitting trousers is what she wears to prison.
Susan is the antithesis of a couple guys I met (many years ago)
who told me that they were on their way to teach meditation in a prison.
Each of them were perfectly groomed, wearing suits and ties.
To me, they looked just like missionaries on their way to preach to
the savage natives… and my heart sank.
Crooner
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Kate
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 4:23:42 PM
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Susan Olesek and EPP - Ennneagram Prison Project
http://www.susanolesek.com/index.html
Deeply moving presentation. Susan radiates compassion and commitment. She's a social 1. Her photos don't do her justice because in person you get the full vibrancy of her being. She's like an angel on earth.
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Kate
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 5:17:09 PM
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I also took part in "The 9 Arts of Healthy Conversation" presented by Reba Herder.
Everylight is Reba's organization. You can read her bio and mission here:
http://www.everylight.org/resources/conversationcup.html
I came from that workshop with some fresh insight and useful information for having healthy and deeper conversations. The benefits which type brings to a conversation and also our pitfalls and blocks was great. I have notes that I can share from this session and will put them up if people are interested.
Most of the session was partner and small group work, followed by feedback and sharing, as opposed to lecture, which I liked. My favourited exercise in this session was the walking and talking one with my partner, a sweet lady from New Zealand (a 3w4). We clicked right away.
Reba had a diagram (which I'll post later) that showed the pitfalls we can get into when we think we're communicating.
Conversation that is shared without any overlay of need for outcome aside from connection.
Problem solving which is going into need to tell someone stops the healthy convesation.
Directing is going into needing to do something about 'it' and also stops healthy conversation.
She gave examples of times when problem solving and directing are appropriate, and compared these examples to when it gets in the way of healthy conversation.
There was a nice mix of types in the room, so it was cool to hear all the perspectives, coming from each type.
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Lake
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 6:01:44 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kate
Susan Olesek and EPP - Ennneagram Prison Project
http://www.susanolesek.com/index.html
Deeply moving presentation. Susan radiates compassion and commitment. She's a social 1. Her photos don't do her justice because in person you get the full vibrancy of her being. She's like an angel on earth.
Thanks, Kate! I lagged on posting her website. Anyway, you know I agree, Susan (who I'd say is a so/sx 1w9) glowed IRL (i also liked it when she joked about her own anger, and then did the "shhh" finger).
I'm bummed I missed the healthy conversation conversation, and would def be interested in your notes.
@crooner- that'd be fantastic if you worked with/for her non-profit! |
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Crooner
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Posted - 31 Jul 2012 : 11:52:30 PM
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The all-day preconference event with David Daniels and
Russ Hudson concluded with the audience breaking out
into groups. Preselected facilitators for each group posed
questions to the participants, recorded the responses,
and finally presented their synopsis after everyone
returned to their seats.
It’s important to understand that many in the audience were
“Enneagram professionals” or somehow used the Enneagram
in an entrepreneurial venture. Concerns among some in
my group included spreading word about the Enneagram
and building up business.
Immediately, I had a flashback to Wisdom of the Enneagram
asserting that, at the highest stages of development,
Image Triaders have “Nothing to Promote.”
Sure enough, the first thing that came out of Russ Hudson’s
mouth (and I paraphrase Russ) is that the moment we try to
promote the Enneagram, we are off the mark. Talk is cheap…
it’s all about “walking the talk.” It’s about embodying the
practice of presence in our day-to-day lives.
Kawaii and Xenobart were in the group whose feedback was
closest to Russ’s message. The entire group took the floor
along with the group facilitator. Then they all stretched
out their hands as they shook – embodying the vibrancy of
moment-to-moment presence. For that group, it was about
walking the talk.
Crooner
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Kate
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Posted - 01 Aug 2012 : 12:39:01 AM
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I arrived to the boat reception late. Most people had already gone and there were small groups left. I strolled around the Queen Mary and took some photographs and then met an interesting group after striking up a conversation on deck.
Deborah Ooten, Zachary White and a few others whose names I have to find, have created an interactive role playing game based on Enneagram types. The artwork is amazing. The role playing actually remembers where you are at and grows with you and challenges you. They are looking for backers to and have 5 year plan to get this out. I went to their presentation on Saturday and there was a lot of interest.
Deborah is the spearhead of the whole thing. She has some financial backing already. I wish I had noted the artist's name. I can't find anything yet on the net about it. Zach is the game developer.
They made bookmarks as a promo thing and this mine for type 7.
Oh, I videoed their presentation and when I have some time to go through them, I'll note more info including the artist's name and such.
A couple of pics from the Queen Mary
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Narc
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Posted - 01 Aug 2012 : 01:37:03 AM
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Russ' latest insights on the instincts are truly revolutionary. I sincerely recommend that you attend one of his Three Instincts workshops if have the oportunity. It really updates the old ideas and inccorect assumptions about the instincts that are prevalent in the enneagram community.
Other than that, I highly recommend Beatrice Chestnut's contribution. She has provided us with a clarity of distinction regarding the 27 subtypes that surpasses the information found in any of the popular enneagram publications.
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Crooner
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Posted - 01 Aug 2012 : 3:01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Kate
The artwork is amazing.
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I wish I had noted the artist's name.
Robin Grant
I sat at Deb's table aboard the Queen Mary and she introduced me to him.
He held up his name tag. What are the chances of two guys named Robin?
Crooner
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Kate
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Posted - 01 Aug 2012 : 10:35:39 PM
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Healthy Conversations
Ancient wisdom, new frontier
from Reba Herder
director Everylight
Nine Arts of Healthy Conversation
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Art - Grace
Stopper - Judgment
2
Art - Comfort
Stopper - Arrogance
3
Art - Appreciation
Stopper - Untruth
4
Art - Originality
Stopper - Imagination
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Art - Education
Stopper - Cynicism
6
Art - Awareness
Stopper - Rejection
7
Art - Joy
Stopper - Distractions
8
Art - Trust
Stopper - Intimidation
9
Art - Acceptance
Stopper - Withdrawal
The nine arts of conversation are organic. They are part training, part practice, part talent and part self-expression.
8 Trust is built with equality and leadership.
9 Acceptance is being available, welcoming and engaging.
1 Grace is healing, forgiveness and compassion.
2 Comfort is physical, emotional and intellectual
3 Appreciation is maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses.
4 Originality is vitality, creativity and eccentricities.
5 Education is teaching, listening and learning.
6 Awareness is noticing thoughts, choices, and emotions in ourselves and in others.
7 Joy is growing into the extraordinary possibilities of being alive.
*Notes:
She talked about how each bring our particular art to a conversation and can add to by our natural talent. The stopper is how we end up going off of a healthy conversation. How we can do this unconsciously due to our fixation. It can be something that stops us because we are uncomfortable for whatever reason. It can also be something we do to others in a conversation, which then stops it.
I have more notes on examples of how some of the types do this. I'll come back to add.
The stoppers can also be used in a healthy way when we need to take care of ourselves.
From her handout:
We need conversation stoppers to help set reasonable limits and protect us from unhealthy conversations (which she described as healthy boundary violating), when they are used to relate to others, they are poisonous, creating unhealthy conversations.
8 We need intimidation to forcefully end a conversation on the spot.
9 We need to withdraw physically, emotionally or mentally when we face discouragement.
1 We need judgment to determine what is and isn't helpful.
2 We need arrogance to speak up for ourselves.
3 We need untruth to avoid truth paralysis so that we can move forward.
4 We need imagination to give us a broader perspective.
5 We need cynicism/skepticism to test what is said.
6 We need to reject putdowns and excuses.
7 We need distractions to open us to new possibilities.
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Kate
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Posted - 01 Aug 2012 : 10:52:34 PM
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For anyone interested, most of the sessions were recorded. I haven't received any info from the IEA admin about the recordings. But you can find them here for purchase online:
http://www.conferencerecording.com/
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Kate
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Posted - 02 Aug 2012 : 12:09:39 AM
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Examples of Types using conversation stoppers:
A 1 will stop non-outcome based conversation by going to judgment like they need to solve a problem and get on with it. Because of their need for competency they can slip out of Grace which has more of an open hearted flow of compassion and what's integral is forgiveness. If you break the word for-give-ness down, you can see there is an allowance in grace in it. They can become rigid and have to stick to a kind of relegated needing to fix or accomplish something with the dialogue. Their conversation style tends to be formulaic and they are have a hard time with 'overlappers' or people who move freely around in conversation.
2s look to create comfort. They notice what you need or think you need (arrogance) and concentrate on making you comfortable. The arrogance comes in with this is they can become pushy with this. For a 2 their challenge is to not always being looking outward and be more aware of their own comfort. She talked about how 2 are often overfocus outside of themselves.
3s art is showing appreciation. They are highly skilled at adapting to any conversation. The stopper is when they feel their ego is threatened, they will stonewall will untruth about themselves to not go deeper. She gave an example of trying to talk to her 3 daughter about an issue, and she was kind of blown off with a pat answer. 3s are good at giving people what they want to hear in order to continue their own self-deception.
4s bring originality to the conversation. They are the ones who are 'out there' and idiosyncratic. The stopper is when they move in imagination, and fantasy. They are no longer present and will start concocting altenate universes, like in convrsation suddenly it's like they writing the next Twilight episode.
5 bring the focused education to a conversation. They add the expertise of learned knowledge. The stopper for a 5 cynicism or skeptism, which is a negative kind of abnegation. They become closed off and naysayers.
6s bring intuitive awareness. They are ones who notice everything about people. They can be astute observers and in-tune. The stopper is when they start rejecting due to fear. A 6 will reject by projecting otherness onto someone and outcasting them.
7 bring enthusiasm, possibilities, openness, and joy. They love to add new things and opportunities to a conversation. They tend to be overlapping conversationalists. Their stopper is when they become bored or restless or not focused, they are all over the place with distractions. They will also look for something new, if feeling too stale or stagnant in the conversation.
8s bring a grounded sense of trust to a conversation. They are forthright and generally honest, no beating around the bush. You always know where you stand with an 8 in conversation. They instill a protective leadership quality. Their stopper is they will overpower and intimidate if they are not in charge.
9s art is acceptance of the other. They are open to everyone and make people feel at peace and accepted. Their stopper is withdrawal which comes from their murky sense of self. They will retreat and disappear.
If you look at the types and each of their art there is a tension with the connecting points and also movement between adjacent wings. We all have something to learn from one another and each of our styles.
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Fleets
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Posted - 02 Aug 2012 : 12:43:30 AM
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Thanks Kate, these notes on conversation stoppers
are helpful.
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blackLight
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Kate
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Posted - 02 Aug 2012 : 1:49:07 PM
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Oh, I just caught this in time. Thanks, bear.
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Narc
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Crooner
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Posted - 03 Aug 2012 : 4:25:44 PM
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Originally posted by Lake
@crooner- that'd be fantastic if you worked with/for her non-profit!
I’m open to the possibility.
If it happens, it happens. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.
By signing up on Susan’s list, I’m just throwing my name into the hat.
During the breakout session in the Daniels-Hudson presentation,
I stated my view on how the proverbial Path to Perdition is
paved with good intentions. If it’s the ego that makes the
kind of resolve that a “do-gooder” would make, the ego also
stands to muck things up.
In my view, authentic compassionate action arises from the
spontaneous opening of a loving heart; it is not premeditated.
Crooner
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Kate
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Posted - 03 Aug 2012 : 5:03:03 PM
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You're welcome, Fleets and bear.
That was a good interview. Glad I caught it.
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Narc
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 10:01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Narc
Russ' latest insights on the instincts are truly revolutionary. I sincerely recommend that you attend one of his Three Instincts workshops if you have the opportunity. It really updates the old ideas and incorrect assumptions about the instincts that are prevalent in the enneagram community.
SELF PRES
SEXUAL
SOCIAL
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Originally posted by Narc
Other than that, I highly recommend Beatrice Chestnut's contribution. She has provided us with a clarity of distinction regarding the 27 subtypes that surpasses the information found in any of the popular enneagram publications.
The 27 Instinctual Subtypes Described In Detail
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Lake
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 1:55:44 PM
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Lake
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 2:16:42 PM
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| Narc- would it be cool if I changed your photos to IMG on here and added my own notes? |
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Narc
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 2:53:57 PM
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Originally posted by Lake
Narc- would it be cool if I changed your photos to IMG on here and added my own notes?
of course, it's cool |
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quartz
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 4:58:08 PM
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| Thanks, everybody. Am enjoying reading this and the other thread. Would have liked to have met you all, but wasn't willing to do the travel this year. So thanks for posting your notes, pics, impressions, etc. |
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~lee~
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 5:56:26 PM
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Hi Quartz
Somebody at the IEA--forget who--said that I reminded them of you. Maybe there's a tritype gestalt. |
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quartz
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 7:39:16 PM
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Originally posted by ~lee~
Hi Quartz
Somebody at the IEA--forget who--said that I reminded them of you.
I'll take that as a compliment.  You are so on my short list of boardies I have to meet. |
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