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~lee~
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 Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 01:06:56 AM
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| Denver, next year, eh? |
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blackLight
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Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 10:10:33 AM
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| ... would love to hear about the dynamics of the three circles |
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Narc
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Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 10:21:25 PM
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... would love to hear about the dynamics of the three circles
Which three circles? Are you referring to the 3 zones of each instinct?
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Lake
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Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 10:25:46 PM
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... would love to hear about the dynamics of the three circles
Which three circles? Are you referring to the 3 zones of each instinct?
I will literally go and do that right now. |
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:13:08 AM
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Russ' latest insights on the instincts are truly revolutionary. I sincerely recommend that you attend one of his Three Instincts workshops if you have the opportunity. It really updates the old ideas and incorrect assumptions about the instincts that are prevalent in the enneagram community.
(i know there will be overlap here with things orph and quartz have already posted, but i'm just going to post what this lecture consisted of, and not edit out redundancies)
So, Russ started by drawing a person with a blue diamond on their crown, a green heart, and a red circle at the base of their trunk. He split the red circle into several sections, and said that is "kinda" where our instincts live (he went off about how there aren't 3 energy centers, but really 7 ... [chakra stuff] )
- The side effect of our instincts being out of alignment is personality.
- We can feel off when things start to line up.
- Our instinctual centers shifting and aligning can bring up FEAR --> the one that is off doesn't have a concept of bigger reality.
i personally really liked russ' physical movements to go along with what he was explaining, so i'm going to add those with ***______*** 
(As I understand, I don't remember him verbatim here)
Within each instinct, there are 3 subinstincts, or sort of 3 encapsulated components. The individual will naturally tend to favor one instinct "flavor" above the others.
SELF PRESERVATION: "INSTINCTUAL CENTER"
Location: base of spine.
So, I further noted the top circle as "self maintenance", the bottom left as "practical know-how", and the bottom right as "domesticity". (yes, counter-clockwise is how i'm doing it)
Can you see the distinction? I see it as self care, vs daily resource care, vs home care, respectively. (I also see some natural e-type affiliations in there too, but would love to hear what others have to say ...)
When self pres is healthy it supports our alignment --> arrange your life to support movement of what you love, what nourishes you
Side notes:
I: We did a meditation about feeling grounded in ourselves -- at home in our bodies. He had us check in with how we were feeling: "how do you feel sitting in your chair? how is the room temperature? how is your stomach (can you feel the coffee you drank this morning? did you eat anything -- can you feel your stomach and guts starting to work on that?)?
How I felt during the sp meditation: (like we were each yogis lol)
II: As I fidgeted
(I pushed my chair away -- I was on the outside edge of the aisle, but wanted more s p a c e to myself, fiddled with my scarf [Hmm ... am i going to be too hot if i wear it? well, then where do i put it? ew, not on the floor ... oh! back of the chair ...], mussed with my coffee [i don't want it too close to me to where i'll accidentally spill it, but i don't want it to be too far away that it'll be kicked over by anyone OR that i'll forget about it ... but i want to take notes ... where should i put my coffee!? oh, there, yes, perfect :)] )
he joked about sp's "setting up camp". "Where is the lighting the best? Where is the AC vent? Am I on the aisle so I can get out if I need to leave?"
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:19:52 AM
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Crooner
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:20:58 AM
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SEXUAL
As our Saturday Night DJ, Russ Hudson played James Brown’s Sex Machine.
All of us with a strong SX Instinct took our MOJO to the dance floor.
Hell, even Russ had to get out there with us.
Crooner
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:24:14 AM
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Originally posted by Lake
ADD TO SELF-PRES: eternal child -- "i'm never going to get my crap together"
The eternal child "i'm never going to get my crap together" is when self-pres is the blind spot. |
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:35:40 AM
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SEXUAL:
Location: the genitals, kinda like the Kundalini serpent energy -- rising quality -- ***made one arm into a serpent, began at genitals and snaked arm up and forward***
- What turns you on ... pulsing, whispy, flowing, electric, vital, alive, OOMPH.
i) Every type wants one-on-one, but with sexual it is about the flavor -- If you are lukewarm, I will spit you from my mouth.
vs social which is about the bond
- Breaking habits, potential -- imperative w/out cognitive fix --> we know we need to do it, or we'll feel dead inside
i) when we're not present, we will become attracted to people who capitate our narcissistic woundedness, and push away the 'good' -- we substitute adrenaline for real aliveness (w/o presence, there is a surrendering to the wrong things --> abandonment of intelligence)
I further divided these into:
top - "evolutionary drive" - imo, Darwinism (evolution or destruction), PUSH
bottom left - "broadcasting" - imo, "sex appeal", peacocking, PULL
bottom right - "immersion" - imo, intimacy and integrating ... a kind of creative force found through destruction and/or surrender ... ORGASM
Side notes:
I) We did a sort of electric meditation, "feel the pulses in your body ... how do your clothes feel against your skin? can you feel your blood flowing? your nerve endings tingling? can you feel the heat of your genitals?"
during I felt like:
II) He brought up, "some people are like, 'can you talk about the sexual instinct w/o talking about sex?!' NO! No, I cannot talk about the sexual instinct w/o talking about sex!"
III) He said that sexuals walk into a room, and their antennae come out ***used each pointer finder to make antenna on top of head*** "where is the juice?! ***moved head w/ 'antennae' from side-to-side*** ... mmm, right here ... yeah...    " Later discussed how sexuals look to play (exchange juice), and how this can be misinterpreted (ahem, not always bodily juices) ...
* oh, yeah, and there was a small earthquake while we were talking about the sexual instinct! it was perfect!!
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:42:44 AM
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Originally posted by Narc
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Originally posted by Lake
ADD TO SELF-PRES: eternal child -- "i'm never going to get my crap together"
The eternal child "i'm never going to get my crap together" is when self-pres is the blind spot.
are you saying sp-last?
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 01:50:42 AM
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 02:21:18 AM
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... i'll do the social instinct later ... i'm tired and need to go to bed ... i have work tomorrow ...
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 02:34:23 AM
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Yep
what about if it is neuroticized? i understood he was saying it was applied to sp-firsts, like they always had their eye on that -- never satisfied.
... i could see sp-last not even being conscious to think that ... though others may 
EDIT: eh ... perhaps a fleeting consciousness of it from the individual ...
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 02:44:36 AM
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Originally posted by Narc
Yep
what about if it is neuroticized? i understood he was saying it was applied to sp-firsts, like they always had their eye on that -- never satisfied.
... i could see sp-last not even being conscious to think that ... though others may
I see what you mean. But when Russ used that "eternal child" quote, he was specifically referring to how it feels if sp is your blind spot and you are being faced with sp issues.
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 02:52:12 AM
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I see what you mean. But when Russ used that "eternal child" quote, he was specifically referring to how it feels if sp is your blind spot and you are being faced with sp issues.
how're the rest of my notes there, narc? am i doing your pictures justice? LOL
cheerio 
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:09:50 AM
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The correct explanation of the Social Instinct is a vitally important part of his repertoire.
Mistypings are prevalent amongst Enneagrammers because there are well known Enneagram teachers (whose names I won't mention here) who are teaching the instincts according to a bunch of incorrect and outdated assumptions. Specifically a misinterpretation of SX and SO whereby SX is exalted into something romantic and celestial, and SO is reduced to the animal instinct for chit-chat.
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:15:34 AM
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| i'm going to do it, and i do a good job. calm down. |
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:15:37 AM
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| 10/10 Lake |
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:18:25 AM
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:19:49 AM
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Narc
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 03:20:44 AM
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| This shit is serious |
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Lake
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 09:41:18 AM
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| In due course. |
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quartz
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 10:31:10 AM
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Denver, next year, eh?
Possibly  . Too early to know. I'm hoping to take some trainings next year, so I'll have to see how the travel budget looks in light of that. There's also whether Dear One would want to go... I can go without him if it comes to that, but it makes the decision much easier if he wants to go too. And there's also a feeling component of "where I'm at" (qualitatively) as the conference approaches. Last year I had a strong desire to go (and did) and it was great. This year it just wasn't tugging at me -- I intensely wanted to meet boardies but didn't feel enough of a pull toward the conference as a whole to make me willing to spend the time and money (I live on the east coast). Probably next spring after registration opens I'll check in with all the various factors and see what seems to be happening.
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blackLight
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 10:39:04 AM
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Excellent lake thank you. What I was wondering if these had anything to do with centers. Each seems to correlate somewhat with domain of sp/sx/so (clockwise). You assigned each circle an overall gestalt - is that something that Russ also did?
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Crooner
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 12:26:33 PM
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Bear,
Russ essentially divided the Gut Center into three separate
centers for SP, SX, and SOC. So his point is that we actually
have a total of five centers.
BTW… your use of the word “field” has always intrigued me.
I immediately equate it with the result of interpersonal chemistry.
As I interact with people, I notice the flavor of our energetic field
or interpersonal chemistry.
In my mind, there is a difference between a group field and
a one-to-one field. I sometimes equate the latter with the
SX instinct, even though Russ may or may not agree.
Russ insists that SX is not “one-to-one” or “bonding.”
My point would be that the Bonnie & Clyde archetype would illustrate
my concept of SX one-to-one bonding. Ma & Pa Kettle would not.
Crooner
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