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dfgray44
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 Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 10:14:46 PM
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transformer-
I'd like to understand, if Hitler was a 6w5 (or a 1), how some of the "peripheral" vain-glorious traits that are typical to 8-dictators seem to have appeared in him. I'm talking about the things I've brought up like: "Heil Hitler", images of himself everywhere and other manifestations of his need for total reverence and signs of genuflection to his power. These specific traits turn up in a multitude of dictators that we would all agree are 8s, and these same traits are things we would put on the list of Traits of a Dictator: Phase One, In Which Doris Gets Her Oats.
I know you're so terribly tired of my idiotic ideas, but can you put in a little effort to counter these silly notions of mine? I'm just a lost child who's looking for some guidance. 
And please, make it good. I feel like I'm kicking your ass over here.
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lovemyth
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 10:34:57 PM
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df lovely.you feel like your kicking ass?
however i see that neither you or glasgow has made and serious points that are all that much considering though however intresting.
"the difference between me and you is that i'm not on fire"
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transformer
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 11:34:10 PM
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| The Heil Hitler and other Nazi totalataian images were more of a reflection of Hitler's obsession with a strong, rejuvanated Germany than with a desire to glorify himself or his personal power. The cult of personality that revolved around 8's like Mao, Stalin, and Mussolini had a distinctly different flavor than Hitler's. |
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Bluelamp
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 11:46:30 PM
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And I sinerely hope blue lamp is joking about Hitler being a 7w6.
Well Hitler as a 7 (ESFP) would be like asking if J[blocked] or Bill Clinton without any conscience could be Hitler-like. They are all good orators who can build a base at the grass roots level. Hitler in private conversations could actually seem a bit FP harmony-like. |
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transformer
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:01:45 AM
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| Uh No Blue Lamp. Aldolf Hitler is not a 7. |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:37:16 AM
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Originally posted by lovemyth
df lovely.you feel like your kicking ass?
Yeah. Come on, you know that feeling. It's neat-o. 
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atone
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:53:42 AM
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What about hitler, as a vengeful 2?
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 01:19:51 AM
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Originally posted by transformer
The Heil Hitler and other Nazi totalataian images were more of a reflection of Hitler's obsession with a strong, rejuvanated Germany than with a desire to glorify himself or his personal power. The cult of personality that revolved around 8's like Mao, Stalin, and Mussolini had a distinctly different flavor than Hitler's.
Yes, all three of the gentleman you've brought up here are 8w7s, rather than 8w9s. Hence, a different flavor of cult of personality. But, as you indicate about Hitler, a cult of personality existed, nonetheless. Now, describe Hitler's particular flavor of cult of personality and then let's list some other 6-leaders who could be said to have cultivated a cult of personality. [Is "cult of personality" really in the 6's bag of tricks. Me thinks, resoundingly, nay.]
And so, insisting that the members of his entire military greet each other with the phrase "Heil Hitler" was not indicative of an interest in personal glorification? It was really all about Germany? So, why not insist on a greeting such as "Heil Germany" or "Heil to the Fatherland". And what about "Mein Fuhrer", which means 'leader' but with a connotation of 'Lord'.
And I suppose having large scale images of himself in public places was probably someone else's idea......
Does the following article sound like a 6 or an 8? :
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The image of Hitler as a meddler in military operations is powerful and persistent. He was also stubborn, distrusted his generals and relied too much on his own instinct. Geoffrey Megargee examines the Führer's shortcomings as a military leader.
"How good was Hitler as a military commander? Was he, as his former subordinates claimed after World War Two ended, a meddlesome amateur who kept them from conducting the war properly? What were his strengths and weaknesses, his goals and methods? The answers to these questions reveal a man who was indeed responsible for Germany's downfall, though not entirely in the way that his generals claimed.
Hitler was, first and foremost, determined to command personally. According to his so-called Leader Principle (Führerprinzip), ultimate authority rested with him and extended downward. At each level, the superior was to give the orders, the subordinates to follow them to the letter. In practice the command relationships were more subtle and complex, especially at the lower levels, but Hitler did have the final say on any subject in which he took a direct interest, including the details of military operations, that is, the actual direction of armies in the field.
Moreover, as time went on he took over positions that gave him ever more direct control. From leader (Führer) of the German state in 1934, he went on to become commander-in-chief of the armed forces in 1938, then commander-in-chief of the army in 1941. Hitler wanted to be the Feldherr, the generalissimo, exercising direct control of the armies himself, in much the same sense that Wellington commanded at Waterloo, albeit at a distance.
There were several broad sets of problems with Hitler's style of command. These revolved around his personality, the depth of his knowledge, and his military experience, and they exacerbated corresponding problems in the German command system. After the war, the picture emerged of Hitler as a megalomaniac who refused to listen to his military experts and who, as a consequence, lost the war for Germany. That picture emerged due largely to the efforts of his former generals, who had their own reputations to protect. The truth was more complicated, even if Hitler's failings remained at the heart of it.
Hitler did indeed distrust most of his generals - in part for good reason. He had to overcome a certain amount of timidity among his senior officers before the war - during the reoccupation of the Rhineland, for example - and his perception of them as over cautious set the tone for his relations with them.
Certainly his operational decisions, especially early in the war, were sometimes as good as, or better than, those of his generals. He was, after all, one of the two men who first thought up the campaign plan that the Wehrmacht (the German army) used against France with such stunning success in 1940, and he had to push hard before the General Staff would accept it. As time went on he came to believe that Germany's victories were his alone and that most of his generals were narrow-minded, overly cautious and incapable.
For their part, the generals expressed admiration for Hitler's political skills and goals. His defence minister from 1933 to 1938, General Werner von Blomberg, said that Hitler's rise to power represented 'a broad national desire, and the realisation of that towards which many of the best have been striving for years'. Their attitude toward his military leadership, on the other hand, ran hot and cold.
They often recognised his talents - far more than they later wanted to admit. At other times they tried to resist him - though less often, less effectively, and sometimes less justifiably than they later claimed. In any case, he grew ever more distrustful and contemptuous of them as a group, despite the unflagging loyalty that most of them displayed right to the end. As early as 1938 he was heard to say that every general was either cowardly or stupid, and his opinion only worsened with time.
Whatever the problems with his generals, however, there is no doubt that Hitler lacked many of the qualities he needed to control military affairs with consistent success. There have been examples - Churchill was one - of political leaders who successfully interceded in the details of military strategy and operations, but Hitler had neither the experience nor the personality for such a role. He shunned serious, comprehensive intellectual effort and was largely ignorant of military affairs and foreign cultures. He tended to reject any information that did not fit with his (often wildly inaccurate) preconceptions. Instead he relied on his 'instinct' and a belief that the will to win would overcome every obstacle in the end.
His talents - or lack thereof - aside, Hitler took the practice of personal command much too far. No military leader can hope to understand the realities of the situation on the ground from hundreds of miles away, and yet he came to believe that he could control all but the smallest units at the front. At the end of 1942, for example, during the battle of Stalingrad, he actually had a street map of the city spread out before him so that he could follow the fighting, block by block.
Similarly, near the end of the war he ordered that no unit could move without his express permission, and he demanded lengthy reports on every armoured vehicle and position that his forces lost. Such methods guaranteed that opportunities and dangers alike would go unnoticed, that good commanders would be trapped in impossible situations and bad ones allowed to avoid responsibility.
Arguments among his commanders and advisors did not help the situation. By late 1942 Hitler's subordinates had split into cliques that competed for increasingly scarce resources, while he remained the final arbiter of all disputes. His senior commanders felt free to contact him directly; they knew that the last man to brief him often got what he wanted. At other times, though, Hitler would cling to a decision stubbornly, regardless of its merits. His decision to attack in the Ardennes in 1944 is one good example: his commanders tried, both directly and indirectly, to persuade him to adopt a more realistic plan, without success.
The image of Hitler as a meddler in military operations is powerful and persistent. One should bear in mind, however, that his desire to control his armies' movements was not the most important factor in Germany's defeat. Hitler's truly critical decisions concerned strategy, that is, the war's timing, targets and goals. His was the only voice that counted at that level, and it was his strategy that led inevitably to Germany's eventual defeat.
He began by accepting war against the British Empire without any clear conception of how to win it. When his initial attempts to solve that problem failed, he reacted by turning against the Soviet Union - his preferred target in any case, for ideological as well as strategic reasons. There again he assumed an easy victory and had no back-up plan when success eluded him.
Then, even as the failure of his eastern offensive was becoming obvious, he took on the United States, with whom he considered war to be inevitable in any case. At that point, with Germany fighting simultaneously against the world's three greatest powers, only a miracle could have staved off defeat, and none was forthcoming. From 1942 on, Germany could only hang on and try to exhaust its enemies, but their superior resources and increasingly skilled armies made the outcome first predictable and then inevitable.
This was a situation that Hitler created. Where the Allies had a clear strategic concept, he had none. Ultimately he believed that war was his only tool, that his armies would win the war simply by winning battles, and that they would win battles in large part because of their racial and ideological superiority. He never balanced ends and means at the national level, and no matter how many battles he won, there always seemed to be another one to fight. In the end, his was the nation that exhausted itself.
A final judgement on Hitler's role is one that calls for some balance. No commander works in isolation, no matter how absolute his power might appear. Germany's senior military leaders bear a large measure of responsibility for the onset, character and outcome of World War Two.
They shared Hitler's weaknesses as strategists - in fact they were arguably even less talented than he was - and their political attitudes and expansionist ambitions put most of them squarely in the Nazi camp. They supported Hitler's goals but could not help realise them at the strategic level. There was no Alanbrooke or Marshall in the group, nor even an Eisenhower. And for all their supposed professionalism, their operational abilities were not so great as their memoirs make them appear.
The fact remains, however, that Hitler was the driving force behind the war. It was Hitler that provided its ideological basis and its strategic direction; his generals merely went along, however willingly. Hitler also had a hand in nearly all the major operational decisions concerning Germany's running of the war, and his was the leadership that took Germany and Europe into the greatest catastrophe of modern times."
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transformer
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 01:36:41 AM
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dfgray-what is it whith you and this weird 8w9 thing you have with typing celebrities? Lets see..have you SEEN Hitler in his speeches. Hes yelling into the microphone, very emotional.8w9's dont act like this, except in short bursts of anger. They dont act this way in speech after speech. Hitler liked the spotlight, while 8w9's almost dare people to understimate them.
Aldolf Hitler is not the same type as Vito Corelone. Period. In terms of speaking styles, he had more in common with other cp charasmatic 6w5's like Malcolm, not quiet and menacing like John Wayne, or Darth Vader, both 8w9's.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 02:20:34 AM
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I was hoping you would read the article and comment on it. I was hoping you would actually answer each of my carefully-considered points. I am still optimistic about all of that.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 09:19:05 AM
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Mate, you are on the wrong track.
The article gives no information concerning the subsumption of his E-Type.
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anon
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 09:24:21 AM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I was hoping you would read the article and comment on it. I was hoping you would actually answer each of my carefully-considered points. I am still optimistic about all of that.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:17:30 AM
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Originally posted by Glasgow
Mate, you are on the wrong track.
The article gives no information concerning the subsumption of his E-Type.
Cheers
Mr Glasgow,
The article practically yells in one's face that the gentleman in question is an 8. Now, I suggest you argue that its author is an idiot or is somehow completely in error - this would be a better tactic than to make the claim that the article speaks nothing of his E-type. If it will help you, I will gladly highlight the text so as to bring the 8-ish aspects into sharper relief. I'm always available with such a helping hand for one of my distinguished colleagues.
And finally, the person who reads that article and still believes Hitler to be a 4 surely has a strikingly original understanding of that type, I would say. It's a very bold move on your part. I praise your unmitigated temerity.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:30:43 AM
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Originally posted by Glasgow
Mate, you are on the wrong track.
The article gives no information concerning the subsumption of his E-Type.
Cheers
Mr Glasgow,
The article practically yells in one's face that the gentleman in question is an 8. Now, I suggest you argue that its author is an idiot or is somehow completely in error - this would be a better tactic than to make the claim that the article speaks nothing of his E-type. If it will help you, I will gladly highlight the text so as to bring the 8-ish aspects into sharper relief. I'm always available with such a helping hand for one of my distinguished colleagues.
And finally, the person who reads that article and still believes Hitler to be a 4 surely has a strikingly original understanding of that type, I would say. It's a very bold move on your part. I praise your unmitigated temerity.
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If you wanne know something about the personality of Hitler in order to type him according to the enneagram typology read the detailed analysis of his personality of Hitler by Dr. Murray ordered by the CIA including his childhood , relationship to his father and mother and forget this article which gives no hint relating to his E-Type.
If you just wanne have fun typing Hitler without the preference to know the truth then read any articles refering to Hitler and type him on that base..
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transformer
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:34:08 AM
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This is getting absurd.
Lets just take a vote.
1, 3, 4, 6, or 8 and tally the winnings.
I vote for Hitler as a 6.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:45:16 AM
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Originally posted by transformer
This is getting absurd.
Lets just take a vote.
1, 3, 4, 6, or 8 and tally the winnings.
I vote for Hitler as a 6.
Oh transformer. Just one small request - read the article and tell me whether it's ludicrous of me to be considering E8 for Hitler.
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transformer
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:50:24 AM
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 10:55:18 AM
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Glasgow,
So, that article gives no hint whatsoever about his E-type? Interesting.
I've read the report you cite. I have no problem with the typing I have argued for when I read it.
Let me assist you: The way to do this is for you to say that although the article I've cited does seem to hint at Hitler being an 8, it is nonetheless one person's opinion. To which I will reply the same about the article which you've cited. Then we start to get a little closer.
As I said, I can be very helpful here. We can start to build an Alliance Of Truth. Maybe even an Axis Of Evil. Or some combination.
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Veiled One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:13:11 AM
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What about reading Mein Kamph? That will be closer...first-hand account and all.
To be honest, I fell asleep somewhere in the middle of that work. So...probably not Four, and not likely Eight either.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:43:54 AM
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I did a good bit of reading in Mein Kampf last night. He's all over the place with wild contradictions. One moment championing the individual and the next, calling for unified 'this' or 'that'. One moment railing against "the masses", and the next calling for a "popular" movement. He seems ultimately to be building an argument for centralized power (and seems to feel he is "chosen" for such a position, which doesn't sound very 6-ish to me) but trying his best to couch all this in words that won't make him appear "too megalomaniacal" while he uses the book as a tool for his rise. I think it is evident that he clearly favors "the individual". And I see someone who's challenging (or taunting) his audience, as if to say "are you a coward or will you join me in the biggest battle of our lives?" He seems to want to recruit the meanest, most fiery-eyed and steely-willed soldiers attainable.
Here are some quotes from the book:
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The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Was there any form of filth or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least one Jew involved in it? If you cut even cautiously into such an abscess, you found, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light - a kike!
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Never forget that the most sacred right on this earth is man's right to have the earth to till with his own hands, the most sacred sacrifice the blood that a man sheds for this earth....
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
In actual fact the pacifistic-humane idea is perfectly all right perhaps when the highest type of man has previously conquered and subjected the world to an extent that makes him the sole ruler of this earth… Therefore, first struggle and then perhaps pacifism.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
All great movements are popular movements. They are the volcanic eruptions of human passions and emotions, stirred into activity by the ruthless Goddess of Distress or by the torch of the spoken word cast into the midst of the people.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
The art of leadership. . . consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. . . . The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Mankind has grown strong in eternal struggle, and only in eternal peace does it perish.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Nature . . . puts living creatures on this globe and watches the free play of forces. She then confers the master's right on her favourite child, the strongest in courage and industry . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
All the human culture, all the results of art, science and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word "man." He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose shining brow the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illuminated the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of the earth . . . It was he who laid the foundations and erected the walls of every great structure in human culture.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Blood mixture and the result drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is continued only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons . . . Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
From millions of men . . . one man must step forward who with apodictic force will form granite principles from the wavering idea-world of the broad masses and take up the struggle for their sole correctness, until from the shifting waves of a fre thought-world there will arise a brazen cliff of solid unity in faith and will.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
The spark of a genius exists in the brain of the truly creative man from the hour of his birth. True genius is always inborn and never cultivated, let alone learned.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Armies for the preservation of peace do not exist; they exist only for the triumphant exertion of war.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfil the mission assigned to it by the creator.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
For there is one thing we must never forget… the majority can never replace the man. And no more than a hundred empty heads make one wise man will an heroic decision arise from a hundred cowards.
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
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Veiled One
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:03:25 PM
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Oh god, Hitler bores me to tears, dfgray. And those quotes actually showed him to be a superego type (what with all the shoulds and musts peppering half of them?)
I have known Ones and Sixes who claimed to be chosen by God and be doing the works of the Almighty...(think of those religious fundamentalists that permeated all corners of the world throughout history). And not as a means to excuse myself, I knew Fours and Fives who did that too.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:19:35 PM
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VO,
Hitler is openly saying that "most of God's children" don't have the will or insight or understanding to make right decisions for themselves. How many of the Ones and Sixes, "chosen by God", make a very public display of their disparagement of the majority of "God's human creation"? I would say such Ones ad Sixes, for the very most part, hold that card extremely close to their vest.
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Bluelamp
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:21:52 PM
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Uh No Blue Lamp. Aldolf Hitler is not a 7.
Well from the Wikipedia quote below, I can see Hitler has a Keirsey-like SP rebellion against school. The interest in art seems to indicate an SFP and his abilities with large crowds and political party members would seem to indicate ESFP aka a 7 (ESFP is the MBTI type most correlated with a 7, in fact it has the highest correlation of any MBTI type with any Enneagram type).
Now I have certainly cherry picked Wikipedia for the stuff to back an arguement for 7. I'm playing devil's advocate (literally devil's advocate). What in particular about ESFP don't you like? Feel free to cherry pick.
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"Hitler claimed his educational slump was a rebellion against his father, who wanted the boy to follow him in a career as a customs official; Hitler wanted to become a painter instead. This explanation is further supported by Hitler's later description of himself as a misunderstood artist. However, after Alois died on January 3, 1903, Hitler's schoolwork did not improve. At age 16, Hitler dropped out of high school without a degree... Hitler served in France and Belgium as a runner for the 16th Bavarian Reserve Regiment (called Regiment List after its first commander), which exposed him to enemy fire. He drew cartoons and instructional drawings for the army newspaper...In July 1919, Hitler was appointed a Verbindungsmann (police spy) of an Au[blocked]lärungskommando (Intelligence Commando) of the Reichswehr, both to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate a small party, the German Workers' Party (DAP)... Hitler was discharged from the army in March 1920 and with his former superiors' continued encouragement began participating full time in the party's activities. By early 1921, Hitler was becoming highly effective at speaking in front of large crowds. In February, Hitler spoke before a crowd of nearly six thousand in Munich. To publicize the meeting, he sent out two truckloads of party supporters to drive around with swastikas, cause a commotion and throw out leaflets, their first use of this tactic. Hitler gained notoriety outside of the party for his rowdy, polemic speeches against the Treaty of Versailles, rival politicians (including monarchists, nationalists and other non-internationalist socialists) and especially against Marxists and Jews."
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:31:44 PM
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And VO,
For you to say that Hitler bores you to tears is another of your lovely displays of haughty arrogance and absolute assumed superiority. As you said earlier today to Dreamy4 (in another thread), leave this silly thread to we simpletons who are somehow still dumb enough to be entertained by this hilariously insignificant "Hitler" person. We are truly bugs for you to squash.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:50:15 PM
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I own my arrogance, VO. Will you join me in the Superiority Dance?
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What is Hitler's type?
