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dfgray44
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 Posted - 19 May 2010 : 09:13:25 AM
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One of the reasons that so/sp is the biggest scrambler, in terms of being able to type a person of that stacking, is that it brings powerful urges toward the theme of Purity.
The task is then to imagine how 'purity' would mix with the various types.
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dnimon
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Posted - 19 May 2010 : 10:33:53 AM
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I think Hitlers case is one of the loudest examples in which social, formative and psychological conditioning needs to be taken into consideration before his type can be better guessed at.........notwithstanding that, the thread has been informative and graphically interesting
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same. " |
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ptypes
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Posted - 19 May 2010 : 12:34:03 PM
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Originally posted by bear
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/arts/design/19abroad.html
Hitler was presented with the albums every Christmas and on his birthday. They featured reproductions of the latest art to go into the museum. The books were a virtual museum-in-waiting, a museum without walls. You imagine him cradling the bulky volumes, ogling bucolic scenes of a bygone German countryside now in ruins, imagining himself the next Medici.
It’s hard to overstate how seriously he took the whole project. Art collecting obsessed him for years; his staff endured nightly soliloquies, Hitler droning on about art while Germany collapsed around him. He fussed even about how the rooms in the museum should be decorated.
“I never bought the paintings that are in the collections that I built up over the years for my own benefit,” he took pains to write in his brief will, just before putting a pistol to his head, “but only for the establishment of a gallery in my hometown of Linz.”
"After the British burned Washington, D.C. and the Library of Congress in August 1814, Jefferson offered his own collection of books to the nation. In January 1815, Congress accepted his offer, appropriating $23,950 for his 6,487 books. The foundation was laid for a great national library. Today, the Library of Congress' website for federal legislative information is named THOMAS, in honor of Jefferson." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
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A model of Linz had already been moved to the bunker in Berlin so it would be among the last things he saw.
Hitler was fascinated by and obsessed with architecture. Jefferson also had a strong interest in architecture.
http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/wilson/home.html
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 12:00:09 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
Hitler on the other hand was not that
good at art and blamed others for not
being successful and found a way to get
even and to also be a success through
resentment. type 7 at 1 most likely.
Because everyone knows 7's aren't good at art, always blame others for their lack of success, and are bent on vengefulness and nursing resentments. Perfect pic of type 7, sure.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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Stormy
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 12:12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
Hitler on the other hand was not that
good at art and blamed others for not
being successful and found a way to get
even and to also be a success through
resentment. type 7 at 1 most likely.
Because everyone knows 7's aren't good at art, always blame others for their lack of success, and are bent on vengefulness and nursing resentments. Perfect pic of type 7, sure.
Type 7 at 1.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 1:25:44 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
He seems to me like a feeler (2/3/4)
You mean a heart type? Obviously, F's are not limited to the heart/image triad, which was probably not what you were saying.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 1:30:17 PM
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Originally posted by Stormy
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Originally posted by Desdemona
Because everyone knows 7's aren't good at art, always blame others for their lack of success, and are bent on vengefulness and nursing resentments. Perfect pic of type 7, sure.
Type 7 at 1.
Yeah, when we go to 1 we can't do anything artistic worth a [blocked due to guideline #4 violation]. "Bad at art" - a sure sign of 7 over 4.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
7w6 cp Sx/sp
ENFP
Dramatic/Mercurial/Adventurous/Idiosyncratic Style
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transformer
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Posted - 20 May 2010 : 8:45:01 PM
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EMike583
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Posted - 10 Jun 2011 : 5:17:35 PM
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Originally posted by transformer
Stormy-You really think Hitler was a 7? Are you smoking something strong or just playing devils advocate?
Hitler was a 1 with a connection to 7. His brother Peter Hitler brought out the Gluttony in him.
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dfoster
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the_eye
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 08:15:40 AM
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Reading threads like this reminds me why only m.o.r.o.n's and complete idiots spend their time debating Enneagram types and other Enneagram-related stuff. Why do I even bother? I must be a complete idiot, just like all of you.
First of all, you don't understand the Enneagram. And even if very rarely, someone does understand a thing, it's useless information. |
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montag
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 09:20:54 AM
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EMike583
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 09:48:36 AM
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Originally posted by montag
Hitler was a Two.
With a One-wing (The Humanitarian.)
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EMike583
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 09:52:09 AM
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montag
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 09:52:18 AM
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EMike583
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 10:01:33 AM
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This motherfuhrer was a Four after all he was once an artist
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skunk
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 10:34:53 AM
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Originally posted by the_eye
Reading threads like this reminds me why only m.o.r.o.n's and complete idiots spend their time debating Enneagram types and other Enneagram-related stuff. Why do I even bother? I must be a complete idiot, just like all of you.
First of all, you don't understand the Enneagram. And even if very rarely, someone does understand a thing, it's useless information.
Jawohl, mein Fuhrer !!
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sunny
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 10:34:55 AM
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Originally posted by EMike583
This motherfuhrer was a Four after all he was once an artist
9w1
Not all artists are 4s though. |
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montag
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 12:16:23 PM
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| And not all Twos are Hitler! |
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mystery2me
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 12:22:29 PM
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| All prussian type Sixes are Hitler. Lol. |
Edited by - mystery2me on 11 Jun 2011 12:25:40 PM |
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EMike583
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 1:21:07 PM
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Hitler was bi-polar ( manic-depressive ) and had Borderline Personality d/o
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EMike583
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 1:24:08 PM
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Aslo,skitzafrennia
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skunk
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mystery2me
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 2:02:23 PM
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For Type 5:
Schizotypal Personality Disorder (DSM 641) may begin at Level 7, as may Schizoid Personality Disorder (DSM 638).
For more information and deeper levels, see Riso & Hudson.
For Type 6:
Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder (DSM 733) may begin at Level 5.
Dependent Personality Disorder (DSM 665) may begin at Level 7.
Paranoid Personality Disorder (DSM 337) may begin at Level 8.
Borderline Personality Disorder (DSM 650) may begin at Level 9.
For more information, see Riso & Hudson.
For Type 7:
Histrionic Personality Disorder (DSM 655) may begin at Level 5.
Hypomanic Episode (DSM 335) may begin at Level 7.
Manic Episode (DSM 328) may begin at Level 8.
Bipolar Disorders (DSM 350) may begin at Level 9.
For more information, see Riso & Hudson. |
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Glasgow
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Posted - 11 Jun 2011 : 3:29:45 PM
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 5:00:42 PM
Originally Posted by the_eye
Hitler also had a Jewish grandfather, not to mention Eva Braun who had been a Jew all the time.
no. eva braun was catholic like her family.
good morning, the eye. wake up.
and no, hitler had no jewish grandfather. there is no proof. the father of hitlers father is unknown. so there are only some vague speculations.
fact is that his best friend in vienna was jewish.
after studying more and more about hitler and at the latest finally i have heard secret recordings of hitler's 1942 visit to finland, (the only known recording of adolf hitler not taken of him ranting at a party rally. the only known example of hitler where hitler speaks freely chatting in his normal voice )
so, hell, i have to change my opinion:
update: sx/so8w7--6w5--4w3
so my plea for the sx4w3 i correct to a strong tritype heart fix 4. and the stacking sx/so is fourish, too (fire and ice). his detached eyes now i relate to his dissociations and not to the fourish patterns anymore.
still strange is his performance during his speeches, his body language and his gestic is still not eightish for me. e.g. he was a man of weak strength and he touched his hair in a feminin style, he clenched his fist and folded his arms very feminin , he act like a fruitcake at this point. i don't understand this. (i'm not sure, maby it was choreographed or maby it was his style cause he wanted to be different from his eightish father who was the macho type or he wanted to hide his working class family background and tried to be aristocratic statesmanlike or he wanted to hide his evil intentions. speculations, nothing more. i read that he tried to be artistic in order to defy conventions and rebel against his rude father) . nevertheless his words, voice full of anger, rhetoric, emphasis , dynamic and intensity apart from the choreographed pathos were kind of eightish from my intuitive point of view..
it is difficult to analyze ex post if he had mental disorders.
you can see this because a lot of psychiatrists had tried that ex post and came up with very different diagnosis
most common are dissociative disorders combined with narcistic- paranoid - antisocial disorders.
some say he was schizophrenic. some say he had a borderline personality. a few say posttraumatic stress disorder..
some say he had bipolar disorder( manic-depressive).
others say asperger syndrome psychopathy etc..
a minority opinion counters that his personality in the whole was healthy apart from paranoid structures he was enthusiastic and pride about his doing..
especially the jewish community sees him healthy and state explicitly to refuse that hitler is associated with disease and to declare him as certifiably insane cause he should have full responsibility like all the germans.
hitler was traumatized and i personally see aspects as to narcistic- and antisocial disorder structure and dissociations but in a way he had the ability to control this most of the time as to his appearance...and this hatred and belligerence maby had been more or less more normal at this times of war as it would be nowadays. i think if he would live nowadays he would just be seen as a crackpot and an unhealthy 8 in germany cause the people have other problems and perspectives today..
anyway it is proved that his brutal father tortured him and his whole family during his whole childhood e.g. he was whipped nearly every day and in the first world he was also traumatized as a young man after gas poisoning and cadaveric poison in flanders , so that he was temporarily amaurotic in the military hospital ( btw he got the german cross of iron first class and was a war hero at that times, see somewhere above).
i personally think that he was very much affected by his brutal father and on the other hand by his mother who had pampered adolf hitler when his father had not been in the house. and last but not least by the first world war.
hitler's characteristics were revenge and punishment of others in the name of truth and justice, bloated ego, obsession, will power, passion, power-addicted , full of anger, revolutionizer, getting lust by fight and triumph , deadhearted, willing to take risks, feeling of inner emptiness, doggedness, hardness, mental passion and thought of revenge, enthusiasm, 8ish defiance, strictness, narcism, high intelligence, megalomania, hatred, intimidation as defense mechanism, he hated weaklings, pity, lacrimosity, he was grandiloquent , seductive in the name of power, typical his reckless endangerment, unscrupulousness, fearlessness, outburts of fury and paranoid attacks etc.
there was no phobic problem as to jewish people and the communists and slavs but hatred and sadism towards all human beings he could realize as to the jews, communists and slavs cause at this times especially the jewish people were the perfect scapegoats like they often had been in european history..and also the communists and slavs, especially russians(cause they tortured the working class and countrymen)were guilty in the perspective of the germans at this times ..
concerning other countries like france , usa , great britain etc it was the revenge on account of the first world war and the "versailler vertrag". the gemans believed that they were innocent concerning the first world war. hitler played on that..(btw there were relatioships between the nazis and england including english royalty so that hitler sympathized with england. he wanted to spare england and 24-may-1940 near dünkirchen he spared hundred thousend of british soldiers in france but churchill refused to be controlled by hitler so the war between england and germany took its course..
and btw he was conscious about high probability to lose the war against russia . everyone advised him against the two-front war but he felt defiant to do the opposite they expected him to do..he developed his frowardness against the whip of his sadistic father by provoking him as not being obedient and thus to get hurted harder, that was his only answer as a child as to his powerlessness..so with his necrophiliac decision he punished himself and the german nation)
he was searching for someone he could put the blame on, who was guilty cause deep inside he felt guilty because he let happened all this suffer in his life beginning with his sadistic father..(8 theme)
his paranoid and hysteric attacks appeared as to his nightmares concerning his brutal father and the first world war.
its typical 8 that he suppressed his fears , in order to feel strong so that they appeared in his dreams. repression of pain, hurt and super-ego..
he acted out his impulses with reckless endangerment as to his destructive , necrophiliac decisions and doing (e.g genocide) as consequence of his own unlived life..
he suffered as a child , see above, and then he turned the tables on his enemies. he became a monster, a psychopath!
thats what mistreatment , torment and war can produce: monsters and psychpaths. we all know that!
(you, americans, know e.g. that after vietnam, (where mainly very young soldiers , like hitler, had to fight) 100 000 of vietnam veterans were traumatized, mentally ill , had commited violent crimes , had been thrown into prison or died in the consequence of all this and 200 000 us-soldiers suffered and suffer from remote damage)
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Edited by - Glasgow on 11 Jun 2011 8:14:39 PM |
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What is Hitler's type?
