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thomg
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 Posted - 07 Apr 2012 : 11:18:11 PM
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Reading Albert Speer's 'Inside the Third Reich'.
Speer = 5w6 sp/so
Hitler = 8w9 sp/sx
Clear as day. Speer is the most intelligent eye-witness to Hitler's behind-closed-doors behaviour.
'Later I learned that he had a great gift for adjusting - consciously or intuitively - to his surroundings.'
'Hitler no longer seemed to be speaking to convince; rather, he seemed to feel that he was expressing what the audience, by now transformed into a single mass, expected of him. It was as if it were the most natural thing in the world to lead students and part of the faculty of the two greatest academies in Germany submissively by a leash.' = 8
'He paced back and forth angrily, slashing at the tops of his high boots with a dog whip and giving the general impression of a cross, uncontrolled man who treats his associates contemptuously. This Hitler was very different from the man of calm and civilized manner who had so impressed me at the student meeting. Although I did not give much thought to it, what I was seeing was an example of Hitler's remarkable duplicity - indeed, "multiplicity" would be a better word. With enormous histrionic intuition he could shape his behaviour to changing situations in public while letting himself go with his intimates, servants or adjutants. = 8-4
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thomg
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 : 11:33:51 PM
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Goebbels = 6, and interacts with Hitler as a 6 interacts with an 8
'this conjunction of power and servility on Goebbel's part struck me as weird. There was something fantastic about the absolute authority Hitler could assert over his closest associates of many years, even in matters of taste. Goebbels had simply groveled before Hitler.
Speer = 5, and interacts with Hitler in that peculiarly fraternal way that 5's and 8's can sometimes interact with each other:
'Hitler had undoubtedly taken a special liking to me, although I was by nature reticent and not very talkative ... given the fact that Hitler so often acted in a purely intuitive way, why he took to me so warmly remains a mystery. = Hitler is a gutter
'it would be a mistake to try to look within Hitler's mentality for some ideologically based architectural style. That would not have been in keeping with his pragmatic way of thinking.' = 8
On Hitler's preference for gigantic architecture (as Gray has said, indicative of 8):
'Early in 1939 Hitler, in a speech to construction workers, undertook to justify the dimensons of his style: 'Why always the biggest? I do this to restore to each individual German his self-respect. In a hundred areas I want to say to the individual: We are not inferior; on the contrary, we are the complete equals of every other nation'.
This love for vast proportions was not only tied up with the totalitarian cast of Hitler's regime. Such tendencies, and the urge to demonstrate one's strength on all occasions, are characteristic of newly acquired wealth ... Hitler's demand for huge dimenosons, however, involved more than he was willing to admit to the workers. He wanted the biggest of everything to glorify his works and magnify his pride. These monuments were an assertion of his claim to world dominion long before he dared to voice any such intention even to his closes associates.
I, too, was intoxicated ... But I found Hitler's excitement rising whenever I could show him that at least in size we had "beaten" the other great buildings of history ... He was sparing in his use of high-sounding words to me. Possibly at such moments he actually felt a certain awe; but it was directed toward himself and toward his own greatness, which he himself had willed and projected into eternity. = 8 8 8'His passion for building for eternity left him without a spark of interest in traffic arrangements, residential areas and parks. He was indifferent to the social dimension.' = so-last 8
'Faced with such resolution, Hitler could only give up, but he was in bad humor for the rest of the evening. Moreover, he could never forget such defiance and took revenge at the first opportunity.' = 8
'Most architects will put a wide variety of ideas down on paper, and see which lends itself best to further development. It was characteristic of Hitler that he regarded his first inspiration as intuitively right and drew it with little hestitation. Afterward, he introduced only small retouchings to eliminate glaring defects.' = 8 and undoubtedly core gut not head energy
'painfully self-assertive' = 8 |
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thomg
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Posted - 07 Apr 2012 : 11:39:13 PM
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One reason why cp 6w5 looks plausible is the demented hysterics of speeches/rallies that you see in films or documentaries.
What needs to be kept in mind is that Hitler was acting the part and also feeding back to the crowd their own predominant 6-ness (Germany, generalising terribly, being a very 5-6 culture). As an 8 demagogue, this was the most pragmatic way of achieving the power he wanted over the people.
'A few weeks before Hitler had put on an exceptionally effective performance at the Nuremberg Party Rally, playing the enraged leader of his nation; and supported by the frenzied applause of his followers, he tried to convince the contingent of foreign observers that he would not shrink from war. That was, judged with benefit of hindsight, intimidation on a grand scale ... He loved to sharpen his mettle by such audacities, going so far that he could no longer retreat without risking his prestige. |
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 06:41:27 AM
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Tom Condon types Hitler as a 6
David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
Helen Palmer types Hitler as a 6
Don Riso types Hitler as a 6
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enneathing
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 06:43:06 AM
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David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
They do?
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Glasgow
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 06:49:33 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Narc
Tom Condon types Hitler as a 6
David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
Helen Palmer types Hitler as a 6
Don Riso types Hitler as a 6
no germans
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loscust
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 06:50:08 AM
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Originally posted by enneathing
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David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
They do?
o.O
he did get rejected from art school, so the whole WW2 deal was just revenge of the dejected e4
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Edited by - loscust on 08 Apr 2012 06:50:33 AM |
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enneathing
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 06:51:23 AM
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he did get rejected from art school, so the whole WW2 deal was just revenge of the dejected e4
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Edited by - enneathing on 08 Apr 2012 06:52:58 AM |
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Glasgow
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 08:31:41 AM
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update:
adolf hitler: so/sp8w7--6w5--4w3
8:ego-vengeance. lust as passion. denying any weakness.strong-willed.image is more of an instrument to get what he wants, to get his way.
8w7: narcistic. believing that the world revolves around him. assertiv. conquerer. gets openly very angry for little reason. moody.explosive. choleric then suddenly calm again as though nothing happened. too all this chaos in the world and the battle fields fits with 8w7 who can be very destructive.
so/sp: seems to be very in his head. strong sp. formal. serious. pulls from sp/sx a self -contained style (typewatch). more stubborn than so/sx. pundit and judge in personal union. social skills. knowledge of human nature. feeling for trendyisms. image. adapting. propagandist. broadcasting. we against them.
(there are private recordings and you can hear his voice in a private atmosphere talking to the finnish president mannerheim on his birthday.) his voice has a raspy touch and sometimes a heavy accentuation (very 8w7 -like). he also changes his voice adapting the social situation and the context and talk status. chameleon like emphasis and dramaturgy- sofirst style.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 08:33:30 AM
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dfgray44
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 09:36:50 AM
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so/sp = exterminator
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.ron4
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 2:17:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Glasgow
[quote]Originally posted by Narc
Tom Condon types Hitler as a 6
David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
Helen Palmer types Hitler as a 6
Don Riso types Hitler as a 6
no germans
and Ron types Hitler as a 7.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 2:34:22 PM
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do you think he was a funny austrian?
well...
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.ron4
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 2:39:39 PM
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a frustrated austrian ?
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change". |
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Kate
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 2:59:08 PM
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Originally posted by .ron4
no germans
and Ron types Hitler as a 7.
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
a frustrated austrian ?
"If you wanna make the world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change".
lol!
Ronnie, I think you're right. He was a master charlatan. Put on a grand show. Watch out for those 7s when they don't get what they want. 
Makes me wonder now. German women had to go without finery because that was whorish and just become breeding machines for the state, but Hitler himself, so I've read loved Eva Braun in finery, and to smoke cigars and she was big into nude sunbathing.
Also that would solve the whole endless 6/8 argument. He had both wings to work from.
He does seem VERY frustrated. Poor guy. And that moustache...what a dandy. My grandmother thought he was pretty hot in her time.
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 5:51:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Glasgow
quote:
Originally posted by Narc
Tom Condon types Hitler as a 6
David and Katherine Fauvre type Hitler as a 4
Helen Palmer types Hitler as a 6
Don Riso types Hitler as a 6
no germans
I too don't see Hitler as a 6. His unwavering independent and charismatic leadership is historically unrivaled. These characteristics are so unlike 6.
But I am not convinced of 8 either. He's just not rugged enough to be an 8. He actually looks rather prissy in fact.
Pondering Katherine and David Fauvre's published typing of Hitler as a 4w3. What do you think is their reasoning behind this? Has anyone got any specific reason why Hitler cannot be a 4w3? Are there any characteristics you see in Hitler that would be totally inconsistent with type 4?
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 6:01:54 PM
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And he is so vain!
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sunny
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 6:49:11 PM
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My mom is very vain and she's a 6sp/sx. I notice 3ness in her often.
(Also, she's enough like Hitler that I can see him as a 6.)
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.ron4
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:02:38 PM
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his art had no expression of feelings.
he was a public speaker.
that's two reasons.
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:18:53 PM
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Yes JoL, there are many arguments to support the opinion that Hitler was a 6. There are also very compelling arguments here for why he was NOT a 6 by people who think he was an 8 and there are arguments for why he is NOT an 8. But I do not yet see any reasonable argument against the Fauvre's 4w3 opinion and I am baiting those who can challenge this opinion.
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:22:09 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by .ron4
his art had no expression of feelings.
he was a public speaker.
that's two reasons.
Yes his art was just buildings. Architectural. Regarding public speaking, many fours are great performers are they not? Particularly with a 3 wing.
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sunny
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:25:26 PM
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The best arguments against 4 are those that explain why he's more like a 6. I see the 6-3-9 more than 4-1-2. Introverted feeling? I can't see it.
Introverted thinking and counterphobia...yes..in spades.
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:26:32 PM
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This is one of his sketches:
And a painting:
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dusty
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:43:06 PM
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Narc
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Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 7:43:53 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by JoL
The best arguments against 4 are those that explain why he's more like a 6. I see the 6-3-9 more than 4-1-2. Introverted feeling? I can't see it.
Introverted thinking and counterphobia...yes..in spades.
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I agree with Glasgow's 864 opinion on tritype. Hitler was not a slippery covert chameleon-like persona as in 3. He was very hateful, openly aggressive, and flagrantly narcissistic.
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What is Hitler's type?
