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Kate
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 04:13:45 AM
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thomg,
And yeah, when a 7 slides down into the lower health levels, what happens is a desperate escape into what feels good, and to satisfy whatever pleasure highs you want.
"It isn't real pleasure"
Sure it is.
If you had a sexual fantasy come true, and you were in immense pleasure experiencing it, that's real pleasure.
Pleasure is simply the physical and emotional sensation of feeling good. If it makes my body and my emotive needs feel good than it is pleasurable. That's real. If I feel it. It's real.
The irony is as you said, that in the escape you end up in the prison you don't want. It's running away from pain to pleasure, but really what it is is running away from fear of being deprived, yet you still are because now you are repeating and you are stuck and you are still hurting inside.
When it gets to that point it can be sad. It's not because it's not real. It's sad because it is real. I'd never call it petty.
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thomg
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 06:26:27 AM
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I hadn't read the thread when I posted my previous comment.
Can I just say - what a total f.u.ckweasel this guy is. I hate him.
Best to get stacking first - clear sx last, probably so/sp.
There is no possible way he is a 1. Let alone an sx 1.
I guess you say that because he has surface competence features, 3-like, but his overall expression is head-type. So yes probably 7w6-3w2.
7's can use people as counters, as ciphers to manipulate. So, Timo, I think you made a good point on the 1st page, about 7's being a type with no direct connection to a heart centre, through either wing or DOD/DOI.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:19:26 PM
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Originally posted by Kate
I'll be in and give it my all - passion, enthusiasm, creativity, fun, adventure, etc. It is not however a thing for average 7s to work on a relationship because working on it means compliance and compromise which is something that is a 7 fear and makes them miserable. I do not think it's a natural thing for a 7 to do. It may be for you because you have a 4 fix and are comfortable looking inward and going into stuff and whatever, but the average 7 it is anathema.
To me, working on a relationship doesn't = "compliance". Now, I can't stand compliance, as far as being subservient, but I don't consider working on a relationship being subservient. Both partners have to work, obviously. I wouldn't want to hang in and keep working at something if the other person wasn't doing their share.
And compromise is something essential, in relationships. Now, everyone has certain core things that they don't need to compromise, but each partner has to compromise, at times, to have a healthy relationship. It can't always be "My way or the highway". And I don't think that's how you are in relationships anyway. I haven't seen you take a "My way or the highway" approach, though I don't doubt you may have done that at times. You've seemed to me to be pretty mature at trying to work things out in your relationships.
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You also seem to have a lot more tolerance for deprivation than I could ever have. Yeah, sure some pain and suffering if everything else is hunky dorey, but constantly striving? Give me a break.
Well, I wouldn't say I have much tolerance for deprivation. I'm not talking about "constantly striving", I'm talking about mature give and take, in working on relationships....not bailing the minute things aren't going the way you want. When it reaches the point of constantly striving, something's got to give. I won't stay in a relationship where I'm the only one working on things. Yuck.
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Yeah, 7s want what they want, and when they want it, but what they do NOT want is to be deprived and feel trapped. They do not want to give up being the one to have their cake and eat it too. That is what working on having a relationship entails. It's also full of pain, if you are deeply invested in it.
Certainly they don't want to be deprived or feel trapped, hell no, but when I really want a particular relationship to succeed, I don't consider myself trapped or deprived. I mean, if it's making me feel deprived for a substantial length of time, then it's not a good relationship, or anything I'd want to be in. And I never feel trapped when I want to be in the relationship.....only when I don't.
Sevens don't want to give up having their cake and eating it too? I think, if that were true across the board, no 7 would be able to have a healthy relationship. You may mean something slightly different, but I view that expression as in, having the person you're with, and others besides. When anyone is supposedly committed to a relationship, that should obviously be out of the question, unless it's some kind of open relationship, which isn't something I'd personally want.
And sure, relationships can be full of pain if you're "deeply invested", but if you can't deeply invest, you can't ever get to the best part, either. To me, the trade-off is worth it (with the right person).
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I have a positive outlook always. I can see an amazing bright future and blah, blah, blah. But, I would never "hang on until I get that thing". If I don't see the possibility of me getting mine somewhere in the near future, I'm out. Sorry Charlie.
But you're not a sx, and your main focus of what you want isn't the same. I won't hang in if (a) it isn't something I deeply want or (b) I don't think I can get it. But if I deeply want a particular person/relationship, I will hang on past difficulties to get there. I mean, why give up something you really want just because you have to fight for it a little?
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He's talking about how to get his ideal mate and maybe his ideal mate at this point in his life is a one night stand.
I just don't see it as him trying to get an "ideal mate". As far as I can tell, he's just trying to hook up. He doesn't talk about looking for a certain type of person with particular qualities, just someone who'll hook up.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:27:53 PM
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Originally posted by thomg
7's can be - people as counters, as ciphers to manipulate. So, Timo, I think you made a good point on the 1st page, about 7's being a type with no direct connection to a heart centre, through either wing or DOD/DOI.
Well, I don't feel cold, when it comes to sx relationships. I do feel more of a coldness when it comes to the social realm, but with the people I really want to interact with, it feels anything but cold or distant. I don't feel disconnected from my heart center, for that matter....but I've always said that.
7w6cp Sx/sp
ENFP
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:36:48 PM
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Originally posted by Timo84
What do you thing this guys type is: http://www.youtube.com/user/RSDTyler ?
I think he is difficult to type. I have my opinion already but won't say it yet. What's your guess?
I watched 60 seconds and no more. His facial expressions convey contempt and smug narcissism. If you take anything he says seriously then he will find you stupid and on some level hate you. Because. under all that "Mike Damone" (Fast Times at Ridgemont High) Bla`se´, is a very angry man.
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Stormy
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:45:11 PM
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Originally posted by Timo84
What do you thing this guys type is: http://www.youtube.com/user/RSDTyler ?
He reminds me of Derren Brown.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:46:20 PM
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Originally posted by whitelila
"Mike Damone" (Fast Times at Ridgemont High) Bla`se´, is a very angry man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjm6YwKUrY
And despite all that hoopla, he wasn't even very good at all when he hooked up with Jennifer Jason Leigh's character.
7w6cp Sx/sp
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 12:50:23 PM
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And despite all that hoopla, he wasn't even very good at all when he hooked up with Jennifer Jason Leigh's character.
yeah, he was the worst and most boring kind of lover. They really did a good job creating a scene of total empty sex. No more than masterbation in a hole. |
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Veiled One
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 1:01:28 PM
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Am thinking sp/soc actually. There is zero energy in his eyes. Zero. I find this tired unalert look to happen more with sp/soc.....didn't feel much soc scanning around......sx-first? Outta the question.
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aestrivex
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 2:51:12 PM
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Okay, let me ask you this, Timo, not just talking about this guy specifically, but any guy who makes it his mission to [blocked] one woman after another -- to focus his drive on that one goal.
Do you think there is some anger in that? Do you think he may be projecting and releasing something?
Also, here's something else to think about it. Repression and the sex drive. It goes against his natural inclination, particularly for a competency type male. Therefore it will show up in some interesting ways. Now, what if he turns it outward? He has to somehow. How do you think he might express it sexually?
Do you think conquering has some validity when you look at it this way?
you didn't ask me, but i don't think there is necessarily anger present in the content matter that he is describing. for whatever reason, he has decided that it is important in life to be good at picking up women. like others in this thread, i think that is a somewhat wasteful life goal and i doubt i would get along with him very well.
i happen to think that the domain he has been describing is at least a bit characteristic of his type (which i think is likely 3) but i am far more interested in the information contained in his choice of how he goes about doing this. it isn't impossible, say, that a 1 would decide to go around picking up women and having one night stands if they had repressed anger, or if they decided it was morally normal, or whatever. but they would do it in a somewhat understated way -- as opposed to this guy, who uses language about being the best, and giving everything his all and being more and greater than what he can be -- all in all achieving as much as worldly possible. to me it is far more the way he is describing his approach than the subject matter of his approach that is informative with respect to his personality.
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Kate
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 3:42:24 PM
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Des, Okay. Letting you know I read your post.
I have nothing more to add. Sorry, I can only do so much (very little) relationship talk before I get the heebeejeebees.
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Kate
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 3:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Am thinking sp/soc actually. There is zero energy in his eyes. Zero. I find this tired unalert look to happen more with sp/soc.....didn't feel much soc scanning around......sx-first? Outta the question.
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
What type?
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Kate
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 4:05:35 PM
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Originally posted by whitelila
I watched 60 seconds and no more. His facial expressions convey contempt and smug narcissism. If you take anything he says seriously then he will find you stupid and on some level hate you. Because. under all that "Mike Damone" (Fast Times at Ridgemont High) Bla`se´, is a very angry man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjm6YwKUrY
This could point to 4 as rockthrower was seeing. Envy based Love-Hate.
Yeah there's a ton of anger there.
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 5:13:19 PM
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I see huge image issues and serious rage under the "cool guy" act, but i'm not picking up 4. Maybe 3w4 heart energy. Is he homosexual? I picked up some of that around his mouth movements. But that is just a hunch, nothing more.
He has some early childhood damage. I'm not sure what, but it is all over his energy stamp.
but then, keep in mind I only watched 60 seconds and I do not want to go back and watch more. so take what I say with that fact to balance it. |
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Kate
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 5:29:35 PM
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Originally posted by whitelila
I see huge image issues and serious rage under the "cool guy" act, but i'm not picking up 4. Maybe 3w4 heart energy. Is he homosexual? I picked up some of that around his mouth movements. But that is just a hunch, nothing more.
He has some early childhood damage. I'm not sure what, but it is all over his energy stamp.
Yeah, Lila. I thought about 3w4 as well.
I also see the huge image issues and it strikes me as 4ish more so than 3.
I could see a combo of 1-4 of someone with sexual issues turning them into an angry hate-[blocked]er. And if you look at it a metaphorically, a low 4 could be playing out some envy issues by repeatedly taking. There are some male 4s in low health who have this princey pattern.
But your point about 3 is something to consider. Although, his entire energy mark is not core 3, to me at least. If anything I would say 4w3.
I also got a gay or bi vibe off of him or some kind of feminine energy in there. Yeah, he's def working out some wound.
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whitelila
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Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 5:42:08 PM
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he's def working out some wound.
yeah.. he is a puss filled fellow. I did not watch enough of him to type him. He could be a 4w3.. but he seems to lack elegance and I don't pick up any kind of disabiliating self consciousness, i'm not thinking the image/act is to cover that dynamic.
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thomg
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 12:44:08 AM
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What I said about him being 'clearly' so/sp was bugging me. There's broadcasting, but also a kind of averageness. His overall schtick would be pretty out there for an sp/so though.
I haven't rewatched the vids, as he makes me sick, but I agree with the comments about the 3-ness. A case can be made for sx-last 3w2.
I still lean towards core 7w6. There may be a dynamic here, which I sometimes feel with 7's, where they 'perform' the second type in the tritype so well that it's confusing. For instance, if you catch them at the right time, female 7's with a 7-2-x tritype can seem awfully 2-ish.
The idea of him as a triangler just doesn't seem right. And there is the whole zappy, quick intelligence and fast mode of speaking and other secondary 7 pointers. |
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 01:18:45 AM
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I don't understand why people see this guy as the embodiment of human evil.
I think his global assessment of Socially Conditioned "Narratives" is correct.
As a 4w5 I think it is good that he has honnered, his own critical thinking and examined the statuesque.
Most 4w5's basically plicate to the power structure/ the system and allow then selves to be trained to take a station with in the system and follow the the proscribed guide lines and protocols and pick up their pay checks at the end of the week.
If you don't think Socially Conditioned "Narratives" are real then you may be a 9, living in a dream would, whoops interlecual-Socially Conditioned "Narratives". exploiting the nine, with in, all of us.
The multiplicity is a function of the triangle 3,6,9.
I an amazed the Enneagram Institute dose not address this component of the working E. But; it is a business structure, that operates with in, regulated guide lines.
Not all truths are to be freely spoken about especially the misuse of the multiplicity by the Top End of Town / and globule business.
9's are critical thinker who see the game for what it is, thats why the social engineers have labelled 9's, as neurotic's and indolent-slothfull Being's, A crises management stratagum another misuse of the multiplisity. Fear and deceit are the tools utilised via the manipulation of the multiplisity.
If you don't be leave me then have a good look at the operations of the system that operates all around yourself as you orientate your way though your busy / business day. 
Fear and deceit have always stifled Unconditional Love, that is one resin point nine is an ineffective force within this modern age.  |
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 02:12:57 AM
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Who is not damaged whitelila, that is the nature of two force conciseness, dual conciseness.
Some times when we try to be really good people, we forget, the game we are playing.
If you are a practitioner of dual conciseness then you are no better than him.
Your sexual ethos, may be more reserved and refined via your own definition and personal standards, of correct social conduct and discourse.
He is really quite average, the way he hunts for gratification is fairly average of people of his age in the modern western liberal fast lane party play arena.
It's not my cup of tea rather whitelila but that's the real thing in the real would.
I could post some links of sexual action recorded on the internet that would blow your mind and understanding of the average lustful activities and behaviours of people of the age of 24-36 but I know that these sight would distress you, so I will not pass on the links, but be leave me he is tame.. compared to some people of his age and generation.
It really is any thing goes between consenting adults with in appropriate forums.
Sad to say this, but it is true, that's the way it is.
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 02:47:24 AM
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Now this seems to me to be severn energy, perhaps - So/Sx or Sx/so ?
Or; an Sp/Sx 7w6 or 8w7, dealing with overload, from exploring the emotion (So point: 7) and Identity (Sx point: 5) of form. From the perspective of Sp/Sx points, 2 & 4 actual (Sp point: 2) & design (Sx point: 4).
Eivør - Hounds Of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVimRZ3jScU&feature=BFa&list=FLQMICqNtVsBlT_4rqCCMTKA
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whitelila
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 07:47:11 AM
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Originally posted by rockthrower
Who is not damaged whitelila, that is the nature of two force conciseness, dual conciseness.
Some times when we try to be really good people, we forget, the game we are playing.
If you are a practitioner of dual conciseness then you are no better than him.
Your sexual ethos, may be more reserved and refined via your own definition and personal standards, of correct social conduct and discourse.
He is really quite average, the way he hunts for gratification is fairly average of people of his age in the modern western liberal fast lane party play arena.
It's not my cup of tea rather whitelila but that's the real thing in the real would.
I could post some links of sexual action recorded on the internet that would blow your mind and understanding of the average lustful activities and behaviours of people of the age of 24-36 but I know that these sight would distress you, so I will not pass on the links, but be leave me he is tame.. compared to some people of his age and generation.
It really is any thing goes between consenting adults with in appropriate forums.
Sad to say this, but it is true, that's the way it is.
Indeed. You are the one that defined what people saw in him as evil. No one else has.
I pointed out his illness, which is a rational and actually compassionate way of explaining the recoiling reaction, and even name calling, from others. The pack spotted a wounded member of the human race. He is trying to sell his decease (ego defense) as something worth emulating. It is the selling of it which repulses on an instinctive level. And yes, it is sadly average and common enough, which is why i pointed out the movie character of it.
Does my observation make me a hypocritical meanie? sure, but I would never tell you to try and be like me. I'm far to snobbish to want a following of mini me's. I would want to kill them all. Am I sane? I'm pretty sure, not all the way.
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Glasgow
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 08:37:41 AM
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Originally posted by Veiled One
Am thinking sp/soc actually. There is zero energy in his eyes. Zero. I find this tired unalert look to happen more with sp/soc.....didn't feel much soc scanning around......sx-first? Outta the question.
8w7 soc/sx, because sexual fives suck
classic so/sp imo. very in his head. didactic tendencies.complicated monologues (especially for a 7w6). lots of principles. exhausting to listen to him.
" Tangential. Lots of details and analysis. Very in-their-head and intellectual, and lacks sensuality" 
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 09:04:20 AM
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| Evil means: harmfull kate. |
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 09:07:08 AM
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| I don't won't to hear your neuroses Kate save it for the team, that's their job, I'm not on the pay role! |
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rockthrower
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Posted - 19 Jul 2012 : 10:03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Timo84
What do you thing this guys type is: http://www.youtube.com/user/RSDTyler ?
I think he is difficult to type. I have my opinion already but won't say it yet. What's your guess?
I'm in to this...4 this is how you do it, 4 joyn in , its a happening thing, this is how you do it.... play the game.
4w5 with frunt to show his metal in what he wishes to promote, vie bias.
But could be 3w4 as gang-along thinks, he dose repeat him self often, maybe I am incorrect but boys do repeat them selves it is a testosterone; boy thing ramble ramble in and out in and out ramble ramble. So I am think still 4w5.
My friend, Debbie Lynn, she thinks he is a 2w3. Can some one please Email him and invite him to do the comprehensive E test. May be we can all chuck in for the expense, lol. |
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