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Shinobi Shaw
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 Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 2:11:20 PM
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Originally posted by radical_ed
Shinobi,
It seems that desire is bad and intuition is good. Is this true? if so, why?
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Radical Edward
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Why the hell not? 
Because Desire is a lower principle of the Quarternary (which is a lower reflection of the Triad or LOGOS).
Desire which is the Will to unite subject and object still thinks in DUALITY, it believes in Dualism.
Also, Will works on all planes, The Divine has a will and so does Humanity. The former is truly Divine and spiritual and the latter is a clothed with Desire (hence imperfect).
DUALISM is an illusion (MAYA) as both subject and object are ONE, but the current state of Humanity and the Universe sees it as them being a apart.
You must aim to DESTROY all DUAL forms (that's quite hard to do, since you will have to drop or move on from most if not all things in your life) and aim for UNITY of the SELF.
UNITY of the SELF can only happen when you Unite Subject and Object, that you don't need or desire an external object (a reflection of an archetype overruling your soul if you will) to fullfill an inner subjective one.
You have everything you desire within YOU, but Humanity is not prepared yet to see this (though they once did, during the times before Humanity gained Self-Consciousness and EGO.)
This is the path of Immortality on higher planes and the break way from the Fatality of Reincarnation.
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Estranged Protractor
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 9:02:36 PM
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Hi Radical Ed. You've always been one of the people I've liked alot, so it's nice to see you well.
I started school again in January and have been splitting full time school and almost full time work this semester. So I stop by here once or twice in a new moon and have been posting once or twice in a blue moon.
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Shinobi Shaw
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 02:55:55 AM
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Also I wanted to mentioned that your Higher Manas/Higher Ego-Mind (3rd Human Logos) is a living entity (it is you and yet also not you) on a higher plane.
The Higher Manas is a 'vehicle' or emanation of Buddhi-Intuitional consciousness and once fully manifested onto the Human being, it will be your other half and raise you to such a higher level of consciouness that you will experience reality in a totally different way then you know it now.
This is the new level of consciousness that is taking place in Humanity right now (especially in North America and Australia) that will lead humanity to a new era of consciousness, a new Golden Age for humanity.
You must learn to raise your Lower Ego from the chain of the Desire principle and raise it toward your Intuitional center of consciousness (God the Son) if you want to manifest your Higher Ego/Mind (Higher Manas) within you.
By 2030 almost the entire human population would have manifested in them their Higher Manas/Higher Ego (3rd Human Logos).
Though many people are already (slowly but surely) manifesting and experiecing their Higher Manas within them already.
I myself have met my 3rd Human Logos (in one of my Lucid Dream states).
The word GENII (Genius) among plenty of other names is given by the ancients to the 3rd Human Logos (Higher Manas).
You must become one with your other half that is within you, your Higher Manas (Higher Mind/Ego) will be your soul mate---your other half-- which resides in you.
Only then can you experience a new level of consciousness, once you see the Living Flame of consciousness within you!
Deep Meditation and Silence-Stillness is key!
Finally here is a great quote explaning a bit about MANAS, (MIND EGO--higher and Lower):
"The higher and the lower Manas are one . . . and yet they are not -- and that is the great mystery. The Higher Manas or Ego is essentially divine, and therefore pure; no stain can pollute it, as no punishment can reach it, per se, the more so since it is innocent of, and takes no part in, the deliberate transactions of its Lower Ego. Yet by the very fact that, though dual and during life the Higher is distinct from the Lower, 'the Father and Son' are one, and because that in reuniting with the parent Ego, the Lower Soul fastens upon and impresses upon it all its bad as well as good actions -- both have to suffer, the Higher Ego, though innocent and without blemish, has to bear the punishment of the misdeeds committed by the lower Self together with it in their future incarnation. The whole doctrine of atonement is built upon this old esoteric tenet; for the Higher Ego is the antitype of that which is on this earth the type, namely, the personality" (TBL 55-6).
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radical_ed
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 12:54:47 AM
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Originally posted by Estranged Protractor
Hi Radical Ed. You've always been one of the people I've liked alot, so it's nice to see you well.
Hi, Estranged Protractor. I remember your insightful posts, but not the reason for your username. Maybe you'll come around and refresh my memory.
Stay productive, and achieve your dreams. But don't forget to have fun while you're doing it. There's no fun in achieving something you care nothing about. Trust me on this one.
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Radical Edward
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radical_ed
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 01:25:30 AM
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Shinobi,
All that you write is very interesting. What do you personally do to destroy Dualism?
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Radical Edward
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Shinobi Shaw
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 02:13:27 AM
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Originally posted by radical_ed
Shinobi,
All that you write is very interesting. What do you personally do to destroy Dualism?
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Radical Edward
sx/sp 7w8 ENTP
Why the hell not?
I am still learning myself have quite some time to go if I want to reach the state that trascended masters and Yogis go, that takes years of practice.
On a transcended level someone who no longer believes in Dualism will become an ascentic Hermit (but because we are reaching a new age, humanity will achieve a higher consciousness anyway to a certain extend of course).
For now....
Just be a watcher of yout thoughts, don't judge others, don't fall into the trap of the lower Ego and fall into its drama, see that you have everything you desire within yourself (and not the exernal world), and learn to let go of archetypal desires that feed to the lower Ego
's desire to exist on a dualistic level.
On a higher level someone who aims to destroy dualism starts to let go of old archetypal desire of a material nature (this means almost everything in your life as you know it now).
This is *not* easy, especially since those Archetypes literally start to haunt your Psyche, not to mention the DWELLER ON THRESHOLD (The Shadow-the BEAST EGO as many call it) won't be far behind to take you away from the path with its many temptations....
For now just start with little exercises (like being very watchful of your thoughts and how you judge others and don't fall for the Lower Ego's drama).
And as I said before, Deep Meditation exercises and being in Silence-Stillness works wonders!
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radical_ed
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 2:25:40 PM
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Shinobi,
Thank you for all you have written so far. The information you gave me has given me a lot to think about. If I have any more questions, I will let you know.
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Radical Edward
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Rich
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 9:07:10 PM
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Radical_Ed, if it isn't too personal, can you tell us the factors that lead you to type yourself, first as 3W2, and now as a 7W8? 
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ISTJ & SP-3W4
Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
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radical_ed
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Posted - 04 Nov 2009 : 10:25:25 PM
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Radical_Ed, if it isn't too personal, can you tell us the factors that lead you to type yourself, first as 3W2, and now as a 7W8?
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Long story. Part of it is that I was sick for a long time. I got properly diagnosed and got better. As I recovered, I felt like a different person. Lots of things changed: My moods, my learning style, my self-esteem, etc. I began to notice that I didn't give a [blocked due to guideline #4 violation] about what others thought unless it directly adversely affected me and I didn't want to pay that price for the consequences. I quit valuing efficiency for efficiency's sake and began to value process more than results. I looked for passion as well as personal health. I still value competence, but it's a matter of personal pride than whether other people will notice. The odd thing about all of these changes was an unexpected result: People like me more and I have many more friends and acquaintances now than ever before. I'm more popular now that I'm not trying than when it was the core of my existence.
Facing this, and stumbling upon research about the plasticity of the human brain -- that we are not "fixed" after a certain age, but change throughout life -- I began to wonder about my personality. I took the Riso-Hudson official tests and was very skeptical when I got sx/sp 7w8. But then, I read the descriptions in Personality Types, Understanding the Enneagram, and Wisdom of the Enneagram, and I found that they exactly described how I have been feeling since I got better. Hence, the change in typing.
I figure, why the hell not? So I put that in my description with a smiley face to indicate my amusement at the change. I view personality as more descriptive than prescriptive, an interesting systematic outlook at people rather than a cure for psychological illness. As a result, I'm more open-minded to change and differences in thought. You may find that I'm exactly the same as before. That's fine with me; maybe I'm just deluding myself. It doesn't really matter. This is all entertainment for me, and what I value more than ever is having fun. Life is too short to worry about doing things you don't like. Might as well enjoy yourself while you're still here. You could die tomorrow. Enjoy it while you can.
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Radical Edward
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Rich
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Posted - 05 Nov 2009 : 5:13:06 PM
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Radical_Ed, after you retyped yourself as a 7W8, did you find that you had " played the role of 3W2 "? If I might add a personal note, when I first joined this board, a wise lady told me that it looked like I was also role playing SJ & 3W4! I can honestly say that I see myself as primarily a SJ, and secondly a SP-3W4. BUT, examining how I present myself, well yes, I emphasize the SJ aspects ( which I know to be recognized, if not always welcome ), and hide and use misdirection on most of my SP-3W4 traits.... ( no need to bring up unpleasantness.... ) 
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Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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radical_ed
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Posted - 06 Nov 2009 : 09:36:56 AM
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Radical_Ed, after you retyped yourself as a 7W8, did you find that you had " played the role of 3W2 "?
It wasn't like I was "playing a role." It was like I was shedding a skin. I simply grew out of the 3w2 role because it was old and no longer what fit me. I could have kept the label and said I was just very healthy because I no longer was a slave to what others thought, but that would not have been accurate. It was more accurate to say that, for whatever reason, my type has changed. I know that flies in the face of Enneagram convention, but that convention doesn't fit the reality. Thus, the convention doesn't matter a bit to me. Reality does.
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Rich
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Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 3:37:56 PM
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Radical_Ed, its interesting that you are one of the lucky people who's MB and Ennea type fit together well, thereby avoiding serious internal conflict. Pat Wyman and Renee Baron, have gone into that dynamic. Both claim that one's MB type is the real self, while the Ennea type is a defensive self, for what its worth....
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Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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radical_ed
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 10:41:40 AM
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Originally posted by Rich
Radical_Ed, its interesting that you are one of the lucky people who's MB and Ennea type fit together well, thereby avoiding serious internal conflict. Pat Wyman and Renee Baron, have gone into that dynamic. Both claim that one's MB type is the real self, while the Ennea type is a defensive self, for what its worth....
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I am, aren't I? I have been very fortunate in life. What have Wyman and Baron written about that topic in particular?
Changing the subject a bit (OK, a lot): You know, it's strange. After dating/being involved with several 3s in my life, I seriously wonder if I had mistyped myself. The difference between me and these 3s was that I seriously wanted to be accepted and loved for who I truly was, not what I could do or produce, and sought after that dynamic in my closest relationships. The 3s I was involved with wanted to be admired for their image, desired and placed on a pedestal in relationships, but relatively unknown as a person with weaknesses and flaws. Today I finally pieced together my frustrations with these people and why we had never worked out. And then it dawned upon me that our core motivations were the exact opposite of each other's.
Perhaps the Enneagram theorists are right, that type does not change. Perhaps the elements of 3 in myself have to do with a 6-wing (not an 8-wing) that disintegrated into 3. I read the 7w6 description in Personality Types, and the desire for unhealthy 7w6s to be "tearfully but obnoxiously demanding that others solve their problems for them" reminds me of a good friend's description of me being an "high-pitched chihuahua" when especially anxious and depressed. LOL. It's true. Too true.
As for stackings: Even though the official test characterized me as Sx-first, I am wondering about that. Another site characterized Sx-first 7s as people who the rock star lifestyle appealed to them, and that is not true of me. I'm now suspecting a sp-first orientation, probably sp/sx. Tests, while providing good food for thought, aren't everything.
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Radical Edward
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Rich
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Posted - 08 Nov 2009 : 7:18:26 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by radical_ed
[quote]Originally posted by Rich
I am, aren't I? I have been very fortunate in life. What have Wyman and Baron written about that topic in particular?
*** Radical_Ed, Wyman says that she is 3-INFJ, while Baron says that she is a 2-ENFP. Both of them say that your MB type is your " real self! " I consider that to be too simplistic. For example, my wife is a marvel of organization as an ISFJ. While I have the 3 attitude, " I can deal with that, if it ever arises. ", so I don't do extensive planning. ( Its a time waster, a lot of the time, the progression of events is nothing like what you thought would happen.  Therefore, I don't have much of the SJ planning ability and interest.
Changing the subject a bit (OK, a lot): You know, it's strange. After dating/being involved with several 3s in my life, I seriously wonder if I had mistyped myself. The difference between me and these 3s was that I seriously wanted to be accepted and loved for who I truly was, not what I could do or produce, and sought after that dynamic in my closest relationships. The 3s I was involved with wanted to be admired for their image, desired and placed on a pedestal in relationships, but relatively unknown as a person with weaknesses and flaws. Today I finally pieced together my frustrations with these people and why we had never worked out. And then it dawned upon me that our core motivations were the exact opposite of each other's.
Perhaps the Enneagram theorists are right, that type does not change. Perhaps the elements of 3 in myself have to do with a 6-wing (not an 8-wing) that disintegrated into 3. I read the 7w6 description in Personality Types, and the desire for unhealthy 7w6s to be "tearfully but obnoxiously demanding that others solve their problems for them" reminds me of a good friend's description of me being an "high-pitched chihuahua" when especially anxious and depressed. LOL. It's true. Too true.
*** Radical_Ed, if you'll pardon me for saying so, you being 7W6 seems to square much more with what you have said about yourself.  You never came across as being so aggressive, hard-nosed, and materialistic as 7W8 can be when unhealthy. I worked with a lady 7W6-ESFP for 18 years, she is a quick learner, caring, and family oriented. After AT&T, she went into real estate. Her biggest weakness was, that she could never postpone using up her vacation at the beginning of each year. She tried to get her cheating husband to stop, but he wouldn't. So did what she had to do for the rest of her family.
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Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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radical_ed
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 02:33:43 AM
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*** Radical_Ed, if you'll pardon me for saying so, you being 7W6 seems to square much more with what you have said about yourself. You never came across as being so aggressive, hard-nosed, and materialistic as 7W8 can be when unhealthy. I worked with a lady 7W6-ESFP for 18 years, she is a quick learner, caring, and family oriented. After AT&T, she went into real estate. Her biggest weakness was, that she could never postpone using up her vacation at the beginning of each year. She tried to get her cheating husband to stop, but he wouldn't. So did what she had to do for the rest of her family.
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I agree about being 7w6, Rich. I do like Joan Collins (a sx 7w8), though. I identify with her attitudes toward sexuality and personal health. But no one will ever think I am as sexy as Joan Collins ever was -- at least, not on a daily basis. I clean up well, but I'm too busy learning stuff to put a lot of effort into my beauty routine. But on the inside, I feel much more sexy than what people typically see of me -- I look relatively nerdy and androgynous to them. That's fine -- I like to see their jaws drop when I do take the time to clean up. If I had to choose one for the rest of my life, I'd rather be competent in what I love than being gorgeous and gawked at. And the type of men I prefer are attracted to how I look right now. They assume gorgeous women are automatically bimbos. There is a bit of truth to that assumption, sadly. A woman can be beautiful and educated, but due to time constraints, she usually has to choose one or the other. At least, that has been my experience.
While it is often more practical for a woman to be beautiful for a variety of reasons, I prefer to be educated. 7w8s are very practical and cynical, from what I've read. I'd be idealistic and optimistic. I realize that the latter attitude occasionally gets me burned, but I find the attitude makes me, overall, much happier in life.
Today I found a good video of my namesake, Radical Edward, an anime character who is a zany 13-year-old girl and happens to be a computer prodigy. I've read somewhere that she's also 7w6, which amuses me to no end. I was like her when I was a little kid -- ridiculously smart and ridiculously happy. Then things happened and I was sad for a long time -- and not as smart. Now, I'm happy again -- and dare I say smarter? . Although I have a little more self-control now, people who didn't know me when I was sad describe me as "happy-go-lucky" and are shocked when they find out I was seriously depressed for years.
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Rich
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 5:55:07 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by radical_ed
While it is often more practical for a woman to be beautiful for a variety of reasons, I prefer to be educated. 7w8s are very practical and cynical, from what I've read. I'd be idealistic and optimistic. I realize that the latter attitude occasionally gets me burned, but I find the attitude makes me, overall, much happier in life.
*** Radical_Ed, while being educated is a vital necessity, there is a lot to be said for being practical and cynical. Being practical and cynical is a great help, as long as you don't let yourself become embittered..... As for appearance, I think that its best to be smarter than you look. What you are doing makes you happy, well that's great for you, since there are lots of unhappy people out there!
Today I found a good video of my namesake, Radical Edward, an anime character who is a zany 13-year-old girl and happens to be a computer prodigy. I've read somewhere that she's also 7w6, which amuses me to no end. I was like her when I was a little kid -- ridiculously smart and ridiculously happy. Then things happened and I was sad for a long time -- and not as smart. Now, I'm happy again -- and dare I say smarter? . Although I have a little more self-control now, people who didn't know me when I was sad describe me as "happy-go-lucky" and are shocked when they find out I was seriously depressed for years.
*** I'm very glad that your depression has been treated! My late mother in law, suffered from a bad case, later in life. We shared the same birthday, and it got harder and harder to jolly her along as the years went on, when our birthday arrived.... 
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ISTJ & SP-3W4
Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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radical_ed
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 01:11:41 AM
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*** Radical_Ed, while being educated is a vital necessity, there is a lot to be said for being practical and cynical. Being practical and cynical is a great help, as long as you don't let yourself become embittered..... As for appearance, I think that its best to be smarter than you look. What you are doing makes you happy, well that's great for you, since there are lots of unhappy people out there!
Oh, I can be very practical and cynical -- I've learned to assume incompetent before proven competent. Makes my life a bit easier, as too many people take no pride in their work.
I'd try to be smarter than I look, but then I'd have to be a supermodel.  I've long since given up on hiding my intelligence. It's true that lots of folks can't forgive someone who makes them feel dumb, but people seem to like me anyway since I can make them laugh. And the world is always in short supply of laughter, so I'm always in demand.
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 3:42:32 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by radical_ed
Oh, I can be very practical and cynical -- I've learned to assume incompetent before proven competent. Makes my life a bit easier, as too many people take no pride in their work.
I'd try to be smarter than I look, but then I'd have to be a supermodel. I've long since given up on hiding my intelligence. It's true that lots of folks can't forgive someone who makes them feel dumb, but people seem to like me anyway since I can make them laugh. And the world is always in short supply of laughter, so I'm always in demand.
*** Radical_Ed, actually I have found that what you say is pretty much true. While I do hide how alert and discerning I am, I am frank about how much I know, having read 1000s of books ( due to a misspent youth and middle age.... ) You will be amused to know that it is my knowledge of American movies, that most impresses people, since I can quote the great lines, plot, etc....
I too have the gift of making people laugh, so I know what an advantage is. It pleases me when people tell me, that me being funny makes them laugh, and that they what to be around me!
Radical_Ed, earlier in your tread I mentioned that some writers see one's MB type as the " true self ". I would suggest that your Ennea type could your undeveloped " shadow ", my shadow of ISTJ is ENFP. Ptypes when he defined his " Inventive Style " ( compensatory narcissism ), correlated that style with ENTP/ENFP. And Ptypes correlated his style with 3W4. In my case a taciturn, buttoned down ISTJ seems an unpromising fit for the very extroverted, highly social 3. On the other hand, a 3-E, F/T,N/S and J/P Ennea type would slove a lot of the MB weakness. Do you think that your Ennea type could plug some of the weaknesses of you MB ENTP?
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ISTJ & SP-3W4
Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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Posted - 16 Nov 2009 : 1:40:33 PM
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Radical_Ed, earlier in your tread I mentioned that some writers see one's MB type as the " true self ". I would suggest that your Ennea type could your undeveloped " shadow ", my shadow of ISTJ is ENFP. Ptypes when he defined his " Inventive Style " ( compensatory narcissism ), correlated that style with ENTP/ENFP. And Ptypes correlated his style with 3W4. In my case a taciturn, buttoned down ISTJ seems an unpromising fit for the very extroverted, highly social 3. On the other hand, a 3-E, F/T,N/S and J/P Ennea type would slove a lot of the MB weakness. Do you think that your Ennea type could plug some of the weaknesses of you MB ENTP?
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Not really. 7 complements ENTP so well. The energy and passion for life 7 gives the ENTP personality provides the fuel necessary for the ENTP's many projects. My shadow is ISFJ. I do get pensive and isolating when I am down, but I get creative with my writing as well, which to me suggests ISFP. But I am VERY P, so I'm not sure why that is. The 5 security point explains some of my behavior when I'm down because of a need to understand the world.
Mercurial fits me best of those listed on ptypes' site. I was grateful to learn recently that I didn't need anyone to feel complete. Of course, ptypes suggests that I should trust God instead of another person to be happy. I think that's just switching dependencies. One should trust in oneself.
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Posted - 16 Nov 2009 : 8:29:10 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by radical_ed
Not really. 7 complements ENTP so well. The energy and passion for life 7 gives the ENTP personality provides the fuel necessary for the ENTP's many projects. My shadow is ISFJ. I do get pensive and isolating when I am down, but I get creative with my writing as well, which to me suggests ISFP. But I am VERY P, so I'm not sure why that is. The 5 security point explains some of my behavior when I'm down because of a need to understand the world.
Mercurial fits me best of those listed on ptypes' site. I was grateful to learn recently that I didn't need anyone to feel complete. Of course, ptypes suggests that I should trust God instead of another person to be happy. I think that's just switching dependencies. One should trust in oneself.
*** Radical_Ed, it would be of interest to you, to find the 3-5 major styles that YOU have. You will find out more about your internal conflicts. You notice that I list 4 styles each, for my wife and myself. The biggest shock for me, was to find that I had the Sensitive Style. ( avoidant )
When young, I had the E 5 dream too. But one can never know enough to be really safe.... Being a historian, and having been in Vietnam, I think that " time and chance " rule our lives. Even with super intelligence, no one can see all the random factors and variables that each of us encounter, in our passage through time. The capable person is very good at coping with all the curve and foul balls, life pitches at us. And being a believer, I would remind you, " God helps those, who help themselves! " I'm grateful to God for all that God has done for me and my family, but God is never going to do for me, what I can do for myself. ( With God's help, of course.... )
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ISTJ & SP-3W4
Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
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Edited by - Rich on 16 Nov 2009 8:32:56 PM |
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radical_ed
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Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 12:07:43 AM
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*** Radical_Ed, it would be of interest to you, to find the 3-5 major styles that YOU have. You will find out more about your internal conflicts. You notice that I list 4 styles each, for my wife and myself. The biggest shock for me, was to find that I had the Sensitive Style. ( avoidant )
When young, I had the E 5 dream too. But one can never know enough to be really safe.... Being a historian, and having been in Vietnam, I think that " time and chance " rule our lives. Even with super intelligence, no one can see all the random factors and variables that each of us encounter, in our passage through time. The capable person is very good at coping with all the curve and foul balls, life pitches at us. And being a believer, I would remind you, " God helps those, who help themselves! " I'm grateful to God for all that God has done for me and my family, but God is never going to do for me, what I can do for myself. ( With God's help, of course.... )
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Top 3 styles, based on self-evaluation: 1) Mercurial, 2) Adventurous, 3) Vigilant.
I alternate between 7 and 5. 7 = experiencing the world, 5 = contemplating the previous experience. If I experience without thinking or think without experiencing, I don't have enough information to make a reasonable decision. Neither one is sufficient alone.
You believe in God, probably the Christian one. What more can I expect from an American SJ? I tried to believe in God for years, I really did, and I wasn't helped by my belief. Recently, I finally bit the bullet and became an atheist on a 30-day trial. It was a fantastic 30 days. I haven't looked back.
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Rich
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Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 3:16:39 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by radical_ed
Top 3 styles, based on self-evaluation: 1) Mercurial, 2) Adventurous, 3) Vigilant.
*** Radical_Ed, that likely makes you a person who exhilarates from living life to the full, while being wary about other people's intentions.... As as check, from my wife's and my styles: we are the cautious, careful, frugal, and practical types.... ( Little wonder we type as Keirsey's SJ temperament.... )
I alternate between 7 and 5. 7 = experiencing the world, 5 = contemplating the previous experience. If I experience without thinking or think without experiencing, I don't have enough information to make a reasonable decision. Neither one is sufficient alone.
***My wife and I also have that touch of 5, which seems to be a behavior pattern, that one runs into now and then, no matter what E type the person actually is.
You believe in God, probably the Christian one. What more can I expect from an American SJ? I tried to believe in God for years, I really did, and I wasn't helped by my belief. Recently, I finally bit the bullet and became an atheist on a 30-day trial. It was a fantastic 30 days. I haven't looked back.
*** Radical_Ed its worse than you thought, we both are observing Catholics. In the full bloom of youth these things, you mention happening to you, seem to happen to many, it happened to me after Vietnam. ( I was saved by the love of a good woman!  ) To put it in Enneagram terms, some of us start off from something like E 1, all rational and full of a desire to make sharp distinctions.... But with the passage of time, we end up at something like E 4 or E 9, life and reality seems more subjective, and the individual has to accommodate themselves to how life turns, whether the individual is happy or not about the outcome.
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ISTJ & SP-3W4
Serious-Sensitive-Inventive-Leisurely Styles
HER:Self Sacrificing-Dramatic-Conscientious-Aggressive styles SP-2W1 ISFJ
My philosophy of life: Love will get you through.
I learned to dissemble at an early age. |
Edited by - Rich on 17 Nov 2009 7:37:38 PM |
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