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Odyssey
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 Posted - 09 Jun 2012 : 03:13:29 AM
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The Truth About The 9/11 Passengers -- per the Social Security Death Index:
- some of the "passengers" were already listed as 'deceased' on 9/11.
- some of the "passengers" are in the SSDI under another 'deceased' date than 9/11
- some of the "passengers" do not show up on the index at all
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Odyssey
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Posted - 09 Jun 2012 : 05:31:05 AM
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CORE OF CORRUPTION
On September 8, a large amount of put options were placed on United Airlines, American Airlines, and Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories at the WTC.
A put option is a bet that a trader places on a stock, predicting that the value of the stock is about to plummet.
The firm used to placed the put options on United Airlines stock was managed by the number three executive director position at the CIA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GReHupXbYiY&feature=related
Registered Al-Qaida operatives, living in plain sight in San Diego, receiving numerous (and tapped) phone calls from Yemen, connected to the Saudi embassy in L.A., operating under the watchful and benevolent eye of CIA and the FBI...
A week after 9/11, the Ben Laden family is flown out of the US by the US government, while no other airplane in the country is allowed to fly...
The American intelligence agencies are being wire tapped by the Mossad through an Israeli owned telecommunication company that offers wire tapping services in the US.
ALL US CALL RECORDS are gathered by an Israeli based private communication company called Amdocs Limited. Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest companies in America. It is impossible to make a call on a normal phone without generating an Amdocs record of it.
Israeli agents tied to the Mossad, specialized in telecommunications and demolition, were active in New York and New Jersey before the attacks. They were spotted driving two white vans, then filming the WTC before the first plane struck, chanting, cheering, high-fiving, dancing, during the tragedy. Later that day, truck loads of explosives were discovered by the Hudson river. There were also reports that a van exploded in the garage of the WTC. Reports of multiple explosions, and car bombs at the WTC. Multiple explosions, coming from the basement, were reported by all witnesses. Explosions also reported in the subway.
Reports that devices were found did make it to the airwaves on 9/11. Firemen at the WTC began to pack and leave just before the towers collapsed, because of suspicious devices being found.
THERE WAS A POLICE REPORT THAT A VAN WAS PULLED OVER FOR HAVING A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF IT DEPICTED A REMOTE CONTROL AIRPLANE FLYING INTO THE WTC.
POLICE OFFICER: "It's a remote controlled plane filled with explosives; the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street; two men got out of the truck and ran away; we have these two under k".
Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation, mentions this episode in his report of 9/11.
The investigation pertaining to these events was completely sealed off by the American government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_vuADyO_20&feature=related
On August 22 2001, FBI deputy director John O'Neill resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations regarding Al Qaida. Bush signed a presidential directive making it a crime to investigate or limit the operations of Omar and Abdullah Ben Laden. Bill Clinton was already hindering investigations of this family in the 90s. No one was allowed to pursue the guys who were giving money to Al Qaida operatives, powerful Saudi and Pakistanese families.
After he quit the FBI, John O'Neill went to work for Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC. First day on the job for this FBI whistleblower who had been actively investigating Ben Laden and Al Qaida. Little did he know that his new boss had taken a $7 billion insurance coverage on the towers two weeks before the attacks, and that his first day on the job would be his last day on earth.
The Man Who Warned America - John O'Neill
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Odyssey
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 04:15:07 AM
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US AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM - NORAD - CONFUSED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT:
"IS THIS REAL WORLD OR EXERCISE?"
For almost three years since 9/11 independent researchers have stockpiled individual smoking guns which prove that the official version of events was not only a lie but operationally impossible.
However, no single smoking gun has yet been forwarded to explain why air defenses categorically reversed Standard Operating Procedure and failed to respond to hijacked jetliners.
Until now. More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11.
It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.
The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked.
The drill scenario also explains a comment made by air traffic control personnel which was featured in a July 2004 BBC television report. The controller is told that a hijacked airliner is heading for New York and responds by saying, "is this real world or an exercise?"
Alex Jones was one of the first to highlight the wargames in his documentary film 'Masters of Terror', which was released in August 2002. Alex explains why the Associated Press later had to admit the fact that the CIA were running drills of crashing planes into buildings on the morning of 9/11.
What were the drills called and what was their nature?
1) OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11 and ensured that on the morning of 9/11, jet fighters were removed from patrolling the US east coast and sent to Alaska and Canada, therefore reducing the amount of fighter planes available to protect the east coast.
2) BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Alex Jones first reported on this back in May when Rudolph Giuliani let the details of it slip in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. FEMA arrived in New York on September 10th to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10th. This was originally dismissed as a slip of the tongue. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. As we reported back in January, Giuliani knew when to leave WTC 7 because he got advanced warning that the Trade Towers were about to collapse. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News. How did Giuliani know the towers were about to collapse when no steel building in history had previously collapsed from fire damage?
3) OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector and started to coincide with 9/11. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise." This is another example of how the numerous drills on the morning of 9/11 deliberately distracted NORAD so that the real hijacked planes couldn't be intercepted in time.
4) OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.
5) OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.
Another example of how air defenses were purposefully kept preoccupied so they couldn't protect New York was reported by this website in December of 2003. The Air National Guard's 177th Fighter Wing, based at Atlantic City International Airport in Pomona, were just eight minutes away from New York and could have intercepted both Flight 11 and Flight 175.
Under NORAD procedures that date to the Cold War, two F-16 fighters from the 177th were parked around the clock on the Atlantic City runway. Pilots waited in a nearby building, ready to scramble.
But on the morning of 9/11, the F-16's were performing bombing runs over an empty stretch of the Pine Barrens near Atlantic City after being decommissioned from their usual role of protecting the skies of the east coast.
It was only after both trade towers were hit that the two F-16s landed and were refitted with air-to-air missiles, then sent aloft.
Now that we have established how NORAD were confused, delayed and distracted by the numerous wargames, the next question to ask is who if anyone was aware of which planes were 'real world' and which planes were 'exercise'? The answer to this question will provide us with the name of the individual who ran the operatonal execution of the 9/11 attack.
[blocked] Cheney.
Cheney was initially taken by the secret service to an underground bunker in the White House called the Presidential Emergency Operations Center.
From there, according to CNN, Cheney directed the US government's response to the unfolding attack.
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta was in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as Flight 77 approached Washington, D.C. On May 23, 2003 in front of the 9/11 Commission, Secretary Mineta testified:
"During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
As the plane in question hit the Pentagon, what else can we conclude but that the 'order' was not to shoot down the aircraft and to let it find its target.
Mineta stated that he did not know what the 'order' was because he wasn't there when it was made.
After the Pentagon was hit, Cheney was transfered to another bunker in what the Philadelphia Daily News describes as 'the underground Pentagon'.
Site R, a highly secure complex of buildings inside Raven Rock Mountain near Blue Ridge Summit, Pa., close to the Maryland-Pennsylvania state line and about seven miles north of Camp David, is a 53-year-old facility conceived at the start of the Cold War as an alternate command center in the event of nuclear war or an attack on Washington.
The bunker is built into a mountain hillside and is virtually camouflaged to the naked eye. The location betrays itself by the vast gaggle of satellites, microwave towers and antennae that festoon the perimeter. Inside the facility there are computer filled caverns and communication and tracking technology that would put a James Bond movie to shame.
The entire facility is guarded by heavily armed military police.
Within hours of 9/11 unfolding, five choppers had landed on the facility's helipad and top officials such as Paul Wolfowitz were ushered in to join Cheney in the command bunker.
Site R - also known as Raven Rock or the Alternate Joint Communications Center is from where vice-President [blocked] Cheney ran the aftermath of the 9/11 attack. Cheney's command superceded the orders of the Pentagon, the FAA or the White House. He is the number one suspect in the murder of nearly 3,000 innocent people.
In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.
The smoking guns of 9/11 are no longer disparate jigsaw pieces that serve to just raise more questions than they answer. We now have a coherent and plausible explanation of how the events unfolded, why there was no air defense response, and a prime suspect as to who executed these actions. The facts fit this version of events.
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Odyssey
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 04:31:52 AM
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Bush Senior Met With Bin Laden's Brother on 9/11
Comment: Despite studying September 11 for two years solid, one fact I only just discovered is that George W. Bush's father was meeting with Osama bin Laden's brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11. They were on Carlyle Group business just a few miles from where hijackers supposedly acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden would fly a plane into the Pentagon.
Recall that the chief financier of the so-called hijackers, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with Bush administration officials the week before 9/11. He also met with Bob Graham and Porter Goss on the morning of the attacks, who would later go on to head the first 9/11 investigative committee.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/new_revelations_on_911
The Bush senior/bin Laden meeting was reported on by CBC. See http://www.propagandamatrix.com/021103fifthestate.html
This was also reported by the London Observer. See the last paragraph at http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html
"On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama." |
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Odyssey
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Posted - 10 Jun 2012 : 04:37:22 AM
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HOW DID GIULIANI KNOW THAT THE FIRST TOWER WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE?
WHY DIDN'T HE WARN THE PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THE TOWER?
No steel framed building had ever collapsed from fire damage before in history. The event was unprecedented. To know the building was about to collapse would require inside knowledge of 'the 9/11 script' and how it was supposed to unfold on that fateful day.
Remember, right before the building collapsed, firefighters reported minimal fires which they could quickly and easily extinguish.
Why didn't the brave firemen and rescue workers who were rushing into the building get the same warning? Even if the warning was only only communicated minutes before the collapse, countless lives could have been saved.
Consider the amount of people on the lower floors, in the lobby and immediately outside that could have rushed to safety in those few minutes.
Giuliani was operating out of Building 7 which he evacuated before that too was 'pulled' by means of demolition as Larry Silverstein admitted in a September 2002 PBS documentary.
""We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse." Rudolph Giuliani
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Posted - 14 Jun 2012 : 04:58:07 AM
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82% OF CNN VIEWERS BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A COVER-UP ABOUT 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YCTUnsohU8&feature=related
i prefer not to use "what the man on the street" believes as a guide about anything.........82% of cnn viewers have minds that barely generates enough power to keep their hearts pumping~
as oscar wilde said; i paraphrase, "i'm always concerned when people agree with me; makes me think that i might be wrong"
If you're going to tell people the truth, be funny or they'll kill you.
- Billy Wilder
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Odyssey
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 : 12:08:09 AM
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I think what the CNN poll means is that these viewers believe that the government knew and let it happen.
But if you told these fine people that the neo-cons instigated the whole thing, they would choke and nohhhh....
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Posted - 16 Jun 2012 : 9:18:10 PM
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From a distance, it's like - oh, you crazy conspiracy theorists (kinda like, oh, that crazy hysterical Hitler).
Then I look at the evidence again. WTC 7 is always what pulls me back into doubting 9-11, as implausible as such a massive conspiracy seems at first sight.
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dnimon
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Posted - 17 Jun 2012 : 08:47:51 AM
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Originally posted by thomg
From a distance, it's like - oh, you crazy conspiracy theorists (kinda like, oh, that crazy hysterical Hitler).
Then I look at the evidence again. WTC 7 is always what pulls me back into doubting 9-11, as implausible as such a massive conspiracy seems at first sight.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out/
indeed, and the specific explosives used have been identified and confirmed by peer reviewed scientific evidence, there is an inverse correlation, the greater the scale of deception, the less likely people are to see and believe it.
If you're going to tell people the truth, be funny or they'll kill you.
- Billy Wilder
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 05:31:13 AM
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MH
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 05:43:01 AM
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lol well lets be fair.. there is mk ultra and haarp should open up the sky for the four horsemen to do a scroll thing
Somewhere in there theres a hot model/ assassin.
I think if people are that concerned they would spend better time studying herbology because it could probably save quite a few people they might want to stick around than banging and banging. If there are "limits to growth" isnt it better to know what plants might save your ass? |
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chemical_art
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 05:48:27 AM
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If I feel up to it, I'll concoct the necessary turn of events necessary for an inside 9/11 job to happen.
The short version of it:
The US government would have to exhibit a level of competence magnitudes higher then at any time in a century. Not just 3x better, but more like 100x better then its administration at the time demonstrated.. |
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MH
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 06:01:45 AM
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most of the guys in the fbi and cia do keep secrets because they cut bureaucratic tape.
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If I feel up to it, I'll concoct the necessary turn of events necessary for an inside 9/11 job to happen.
Would really like to see it
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The US government would have to exhibit a level of competence magnitudes higher then at any time in a century. Not just 3x better, but more like 100x better then its administration at the time demonstrated..
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chemical_art
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 11:05:00 AM
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Let's see, to start we need to map out what exactly was done:
There are varying degrees of conspiracy. From the government faking everything to just parts of it, so it needs to be analysis ed what could be faked.
I'll go from what is probably easiest to hardest to form a outline:
-The government managed to secretly recruit, train, and deploy 4 radical Islamic teams to hit high value targets against its own people. There are varying degrees of conspiracy here from the government just giving the training necessary and they did the rest to they carrying out the goal themselves to the government selecting the target as well as causing security to look the other way.
---This would involve keeping probably over 100 people silence perfectly. Could be done completely in house using the agencies skills except for those civilian pilot courses, which could in theory not needed to be in the know to begin with.
-The government managed to not only do the above, but spent months to deploy 2 simultaneous implosions on the same day that are almost 3x as tall as the second tallest implosion in history. They managed to brib enough custodial staff, bug killers, security staff, and employees in the 24/7 building that they have had 100% silence.
--They did the planning and preparation completely in house, for civilians can't understand secrecy and the world order. They then managed to deploy both the initial implosions with spot on timing with the planes hitting and the secondary implosion was timed well enough to fool engineers who would later analyze the situation.
---In all this would be have taken over 1000 people completely silenced. The agencies don't have the historical skills to carry this out, so they did their first venture into building implosion with a record almost as good as the pros despite it being 3x higher.
Now, to compare, I'll throw out a different situation to illustrate how hard it is to keep secrets.
The raid of Osama Bin Laden was carried out with the highest degree of secrecy by the US military which in itself is well trained to keep secrets. It involved with killing one of America's universally hated enemies, and less then one hundred personnel were intimately involved in the plan either in planning or its execution. In less then 2 years a book with a detailed account of the event came out.
-To recap: Hated person, organization well suited to secrecy and its mission, less then one hundred people. Secrecy blown in less then 2 years.
-9/11 conspircay: Killing own people, any implosion not in organization's specialty, 100's of people in the loop. Not one peep in 10 years. |
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 9:38:31 PM
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Originally posted by chemical_art
Not one peep in 10 years.
I've posted 50 links involving THOUSANDS of whistle blowers who have been speaking up for 10 years. Firemen, policemen, fighter pilots, commercial pilots, demolition experts, engineers, witnesses, CIA operatives, FBI agents, the Secretary of Transportation himself in his 9/11 testimony.
The problem is not lack of leaks.
The problem is that no one is listening.
If it's not on the 5 o'clock news, it doesn't exist for people like you whom we will call the silent majority.
And the other tens of thousands anonymous people who know the truth, prefer to keep quiet.
Why?
a. Because under the fascist Bush regime 2000-2008, speaking up meant the end of your career, and possibly, the end of your life.
b. Because after making fun of Hitler and the Germans for 70 years ( "how could they let that happen!? how could a people be so weak!? ) , it would really su/k for the puritan 'goody-two-shoes- United States to admit that they have become the new fascist state.
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MH
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 9:49:25 PM
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Are you ready Odyssey? If things break apart tomorrow?
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possibly, the end of your life.
I dont know nearly enough but I do know the retired talk. |
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dnimon
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 9:53:26 PM
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clearly a fascist state........state controlled capitalism........is, by definition, fascism.
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MH
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 9:55:10 PM
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And the other tens of thousands anonymous people who know the truth, prefer to keep quiet.
so the majority knows the truth but figures it is better to curtail it in case of a disaster scenerio? I think you are way underestimating other people |
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dnimon
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 10:05:01 PM
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not at all, it's a question on what the media covers, and what it does not; esp in america the tendency to have faith in govt and go along with what is reported through the media is widespread........but in spite of that, when surveyed the majority of americans believe there was something dirty with 9/11, and that the govt knew something about it, probably since the bin laden family, in america, were flown out of the country within a day of the event.
9/11, the huge deception, has no public voice....only conspiracy"" web sites........so the subject gets laughed off, at least outwardly as the delusions of feeble minded paranoids
If you're going to tell people the truth, be funny or they'll kill you.
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