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ptypes
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 Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 12:48:38 PM
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I think that Barack Obama is positively Lincolnesque. I type him the same as Abe Lincoln, 9w1.
"Compared to other candidates, Barack Obama stands out in a singular way for having a unique combination of political leadership abilities like Lincoln had. Like Bill and Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney, Obama has strong intellectual aptitude, which he has demonstrated dating back to when he was president of the Harvard Law Review. More uniquely, though, Obama appears to possess remarkable personal character. He understands who he is, exemplified by the comfort he has in his own skin, his past judgments stand up well against the test of time, and he displays strong consistency grounded in a steady adherence to his guiding principles.
"At a time when the country deserves and perhaps needs an exceptional president, a Lincolnesque leader may be in our midst."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-sims/the-abe-lincoln-of-2008_b_79252.html |
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 1:08:45 PM
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When I was in South Dakota in September I got to hear a Lincoln impersonator, who was great! He delivered a wonderful speech oriented to the conflicts between the tribes and the settlers that led rise to an uprising in Minnesota way back then but which drew multiple parallels to the complex threads of what's going on now. How there are so many different interests at stake with any decision and how moral conflicts are frought with considerations and ambiguities.
I talked with the guy afterwords to thank him -- he said he'd spent years studying all of Abe's speeches and letters and the relevant historical source material.
Can we have true civil discourse in this country now? |
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 1:26:44 PM
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dfgray44
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 1:38:34 PM
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No, 9w8.
The energy is higher - he's more expressive and openly expansive than 9w1s. Politicians who are 9w1s are a little (or a lot) more stiff and reserved ('wooden'). Obama allows himself the expression of exuberance and passion. Besides type-and-wing, this is also from his soc-first stacking - so/sp.
Also, criticism is not a natural element in him. The one-wing makes criticism much easier for the 9.
I see Al Gore and John Kerry as both 9w1s, BTW. Hence, "wooden".
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nature
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 1:50:33 PM
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I don't know what type he is and don't have the benefit of television, which I do think can give some useful insight.
I see the validity of the comparisons to Lincoln; I just deeply hope that they don't share the same ultimate fate ... a real possibility I suspect.
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 1:55:00 PM
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Well, it's going to be hard to parse such a statement from what his core type is, i.e.- the 9's desire to dissuade conflict.
I say he's a good "referee" - Riso's title for 9w8.
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 2:03:38 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
Well, it's going to be hard to parse such a statement from what his core type is, i.e.- the 9's desire to dissuade conflict.
Relatively, the 9w1 is less conflict oriented than the 9w8. Else, what is the significance of the 8-wing. |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 2:21:22 PM
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Relatively, yes. But a cornerstone of E9 is conflict-avoidance, so statements such as you've cited will easily flow from those of either wing.
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 2:25:46 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
Relatively, yes. But a cornerstone of E9 is conflict-avoidance, so statements such as you've cited will easily flow from those of either wing.
Seems like a logical fallacy: because the sterotype of E9 is conflict avoidance, neither wing-type can be relatively less conflict-avoidant. |
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dfgray44
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 2:36:42 PM
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Don't you think either winged subtype of 9 would be prone to say "Why can't we all just get along?" ?
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 3:18:17 PM
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Originally posted by dfgray44
I say he's a good "referee" - Riso's title for 9w8.
He actually fits better Riso's "The Dreamer" image. And that's how his opponents have been characterizing him.
Hey, Stormy, do R&H anywhere differentiate the 9w1 as more idealistic than the 9w8?
Also the 1-wing would signify more of a "Reformer" like Obama is, no? |
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 3:21:41 PM
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anon2
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 3:41:13 PM
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Originally posted by ptypes
I think that Barack Obama is positively Lincolnesque. I type him the same as Abe Lincoln, 9w1.
"Compared to other candidates, Barack Obama stands out in a singular way for having a unique combination of political leadership abilities like Lincoln had. Like Bill and Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney, Obama has strong intellectual aptitude, which he has demonstrated dating back to when he was president of the Harvard Law Review. More uniquely, though, Obama appears to possess remarkable personal character. He understands who he is, exemplified by the comfort he has in his own skin, his past judgments stand up well against the test of time, and he displays strong consistency grounded in a steady adherence to his guiding principles.
"At a time when the country deserves and perhaps needs an exceptional president, a Lincolnesque leader may be in our midst."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-sims/the-abe-lincoln-of-2008_b_79252.html
I agree. 9w1.
He also has a strong connection to his 3 point. He is pretty healthy.
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dsc
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 3:52:24 PM
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 3:53:48 PM
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| Hi lilalove. I'm thinking of you and hoping for the best. |
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anon2
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 4:12:19 PM
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Thank you, Dave.
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ptypes
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anon2
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 4:15:18 PM
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Thank God.
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ptypes
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 4:33:31 PM
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MANCHESTER, N.H. — Looking to deny Barack Obama another win, a noticeably more freewheeling Hillary Rodham Clinton subtly likened her rival to Democratic Party nemesis President Bush on Saturday
"She drew laughs from the audience with a derisive portrayal of Bush that could also be used to describe Obama."
"He said he'd be a uniter, not a divider. He said he'd bring America together," she said of Bush. "He didn't need a lot of experience, he had this great intuition, he understood people, he could go meet with rogue leaders, look in their eyes and their souls, solve our problems. Remember that?"
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Odyssey
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 4:55:07 PM
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He has class.
He's from another time...
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"I am not a number, I am a free man !" The Prisoner
"That night though, he wasn't smoking a cigar : he was smoking a stick of dynamite. A huge golden spill lit the night for a second. It was Langlois' head... which had finally reached the proportions of the universe". Jean Giono |
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anon2
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 5:06:49 PM
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Barack Obama has very strong gifts in diplomatic problem solving.
He also gave one of the most inspirational speeches I have heard in my life time. He is a strong leader. He leads with hope. He appeals to our higher natures.
Love is stronger than Hate. It's about uplifting.
Mike Huckabee underlines that same message.
The Iowa Caucus of 2008 has much to feel good about. They made evolved choices this year. Both sides.
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Art_Skidmore
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 5:42:18 PM
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4 interest....Barack means blessed in Arabic and Swahili.
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dfgray44
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 6:24:50 PM
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Originally posted by ddscbs
i was about to say, at first glance obama struck me as being a 3w2.
As I've said many times to standing-room only crowds on my sold-out E-tour, the 8-wing (in a 9) makes the expression of the line to 3 much easier. This is why many see him as a 3w2.
In a 9w1, the 3-line often gets expressed as a haughty (sometimes moralistic) snobbery - that's the combo of 3 and 1.
Obama is also soc-first, which adds an element that can mimic the One-wing - and that is an interest in 'idea proliferation'.
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anon2
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 6:28:49 PM
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In a 9w1, the 3-line often gets expressed as a haughty (sometimes moralistic) snobbery
Obama does not do great in debates for the very reason that he seems too haughty.
Watch him tonight. He keeps his head raised so high he almost looks like he is looking down his nose.
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Edited by - anon2 on 05 Jan 2008 6:31:18 PM |
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