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Not2bforgot10
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 Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 8:06:06 PM
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Hey, does anyone know of the type 4 that's said to look like a type 8? If so, which 4 is this? Like, what stacking is it, and what all do you know about it?
Also, does anyone have the link to the Enneagram forum on here that has this test (It's located on my page on the bottom right side) on it:
http://www.myspace.com/not2bforgot10
Thanks!
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Edited by - Not2bforgot10 on 05 Oct 2006 8:11:30 PM |
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anon1
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 10:22:55 PM
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Type 8 comes with a posse.
4w3 sx/sp/so
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Not2bforgot10
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 10:51:53 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
Type 8 comes with a posse.
4w3 sx/sp/so
one big blooming buzzing confusion
What do you mean? Tell me more please :)
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heratyck
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Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 6:35:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dee
Type 8 comes with a posse.
yeah but only the female eights... 
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zenbrat
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Posted - 07 Oct 2006 : 2:39:16 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard of such a creature.
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FDG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2006 : 2:41:19 PM
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You are an ENFJ not INFJ. 6w7.
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Orpheus
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Posted - 07 Oct 2006 : 3:06:18 PM
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yea, i thought there were a few threads about you being a 6w/7, like those "post pictures of 4's and 6's" threads.
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traci
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Posted - 08 Oct 2006 : 12:17:24 PM
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em,
wondering about this 4 who looks like an 8. who is this person, why do they look like an 8 to you?
traci g 4w3 soc/sx gemini INFJ
"love is not love which alters when it alteration finds, or bends with the remover to remove; o no, it is an ever-fixed mark that looks on tempests and is never shaken..." |
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amour a mort
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Posted - 08 Oct 2006 : 9:59:57 PM
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| If a 4 looks like an 8, they are probally counterphobic 6. I know that 4s and 8s are both in the reactive triad, but I don't know how they would get confused with one another. 4s and 6s resemble each other, and 6s and 8s resemble each other. Are you sure the person, might not be a 6? |
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CEB
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 2:37:17 PM
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Originally posted by Not2bforgot10
Hey, does anyone know of the type 4 that's said to look like a type 8? If so, which 4 is this? Like, what stacking is it, and what all do you know about it?
Also, does anyone have the link to the Enneagram forum on here that has this test (It's located on my page on the bottom right side) on it:
http://www.myspace.com/not2bforgot10
Thanks!
Em.
From reading posts and seeing pictures and myspace profile,I think Not2Be4Gotten is 6w7 as FDG has said. I don't know if that was the question to be answered though. . . if not 4 and 8 don't really get confused too often. 8 is ambivilant to mother, 4 is disconnected from both parents. This feels very different. Eights feel guilt, and fours feel shame. Both can be reckless (reactive) seeming to outsiders, but the motive is different.
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traci
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 2:54:35 PM
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i'd like to say something more about this 4/8 thing. i am a 4 and i know i've come across as 8ish. and i've done so to not2b4gotten. i've be aggressive and insensitve to her trying to figure out her type. i chatted with her a week or two ago and pretty much insulted her and was very aggressively [blocked due to guideline #4 violation]y about her seeming to apparently not really WANT to figure her type out. it seems she been trying to get others to help her type herself for at LEAST a year now. but anyway, i've been very confrontational not only with her but others as well. and i believe firmly that there's a lot more to 4's than just the stereotype dreamy, depressive, melancholy, lazy, pouty, image of 4's. i've been very 8ish before like confrontational, aggressive, take chargish, argumentitive before and frankly i don't know if this is 4ish or the 3 wing in me. but i know it's not just me because i have a couple of other 4 friends who i've seen been like this before too. it's rare, but we can be like this on occasion.
traci g 4w3 soc/sx gemini INFJ
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4wants8
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 3:48:29 PM
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Originally posted by traci
i'd like to say something more about this 4/8 thing. i am a 4 and i know i've come across as 8ish. and i've done so to not2b4gotten. i've be aggressive and insensitve to her trying to figure out her type. i chatted with her a week or two ago and pretty much insulted her and was very aggressively [blocked due to guideline #4 violation]y about her seeming to apparently not really WANT to figure her type out. it seems she been trying to get others to help her type herself for at LEAST a year now. but anyway, i've been very confrontational not only with her but others as well. and i believe firmly that there's a lot more to 4's than just the stereotype dreamy, depressive, melancholy, lazy, pouty, image of 4's. i've been very 8ish before like confrontational, aggressive, take chargish, argumentitive before and frankly i don't know if this is 4ish or the 3 wing in me. but i know it's not just me because i have a couple of other 4 friends who i've seen been like this before too. it's rare, but we can be like this on occasion.
I understand. "Blunt" is a label that is commonly slapped on me unless I preemptively carefully censor my speech.
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traci
Member
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 4:12:40 PM
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yeah, i think sometimes it's unexpected. when people think of 4's they may think of these quiet, mysterious, little people who speak in cryptics and sigh, and who'd rather be painting or writing.
if someone sees a 4 being loud and obnoxious especially if she's female then it's like hey, she's acting like an 8!
traci g 4w3 soc/sx gemini INFJ
"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. "
Carl Jung
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heratyck
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 4:41:04 PM
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Originally posted by traci
i've been very 8ish before like confrontational, aggressive, take chargish, argumentitive before and frankly i don't know if this is 4ish or the 3 wing in me. but i know it's not just me because i have a couple of other 4 friends who i've seen been like this before too. it's rare, but we can be like this on occasion.
Most likely it's due to a 3 wing paired with a so/sx stacking...
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traci
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 5:13:35 PM
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it's weird when i think of that though about the 3 wing. because the other 3's i know don't act like that.
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4wants8
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traci
Member
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512 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 5:21:31 PM
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hey i know this is off the subject but can anyone explain how i can insert like little smileys and stuff from other sites? everytime i try to do it i mess it up.
traci g 4w3 soc/sx gemini INFJ
"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. "
Carl Jung
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anon1
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 7:05:32 PM
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4w3 sx/sp/so
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anon1
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 7:06:56 PM
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Is that the one you wanted, Traci?
right click on the image, copy from Properties, paste between img that you select from the Format bar 'Image'.
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anon1
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 7:17:44 PM
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the 8 thing. We will look alike when things get heated.
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traci
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 7:33:59 PM
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traci g 4w3 soc/sx gemini INFJ
"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. "
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anon1
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 8:04:35 PM
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here let me put some music to that.
4w3 sx/sp/so
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pork
Member
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 11:09:02 PM
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Twice have I been typed as an Eight, both times vis a vis in person (i.e., not on the Internet), once by someone who knew the Enneagram very well but who was meeting me for the first time and once by someone who knew me very well but who had only the skimmiest knowledge of the types.
Neither Fours nor Sixes seem like Eights to me. When I read "Sixes can seem like Eights," the closest mental connection I can make is "A description for Six can sound like one for Eight...." The near-ubiquity of the Six/Eight similarity idea seems to almost depend on a restriction of the concepts to summary verbal descriptions and a lack of the third dimension.
If you want a better picture of the reactive style coping group, I suggest that you read Claudio Naranjo. Read his stuff on Four because nobody else really writes about Sexual Four. Naranjo compensates for this imbalance by overfocusing on that variant. Read his stuff on Six because he offers a more comprehensive description of Six than any of the higher-profile authors; in particular, he discusses the Sexual variant at length, which, as with Four, fills a gap left by many authors. Naranjo's stuff on Eights is closer to what readers of R&H and Palmer are probably used to, but Naranjo doesn't tread a completely well-worn path here, either; while the common trend is to focus overmuch on the Sexual variant, Naranjo's Eight is mainly SP/SX.
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Orpheus
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 01:28:21 AM
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i've met a few 6's who are 8ish. really asserting themselves almost like an 8 but with a nervousness and quickness behind it.
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pork
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 11:04:11 AM
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lovexsaidxno: i've met a few 6's who are 8ish. really asserting themselves almost like an 8 but with a nervousness and quickness behind it.
Not that I disagree about the "-ish" matters, but I'm not talking about that. I almost never do. Every Enneagram type, especially given certain instinctual variants and M-B types (sometimes particular combinations), can be "really asserting themselves." I would exclude the "almost like an 8" part, because such examples, "really asserting themselves" though they may be, are essentially nothing like Eight. An old friend of mine is a paragon of counterphobic Sixness but nonetheless about as Eightish as 3 plus 3. I'm talking more about the gestalt sense of each type.
Sturgeon48: which of Naranjo's books....
I have Character and Neurosis and Transformation through Insight and recommend both highly; if you have to choose only one, I'd go with the latter. (I could explain a bit, but I gotta get back to work. "Go Ogle" it or something.)
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OwlFlight
Member
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 1:02:01 PM
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I asked this same question a while back. My best friends daughter comes off very 8ish, and our mutual therapist even typed her that way. She is there for the underdog, she can be pushy, she has a posse - and they come to HER. The biggest thing that started tipping us off was the lying. 8's don't feel the need to lie. Like it or lump it, it usually doesn't occur to them.
Then, we started looking more closely at the other behaviors - the things she does when no one is looking. That's where it all started to make sense. She had adopted a lot of 8 characterics for show. It was part of her "romantic orientation to life."
When these things were pointed out to her, and she was shown she was a 4.... she was [blocked due to guideline #4 violation]. Lol.... I told her Mom she would be. We're still wondering about her wing some.
Vanessa
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4 that looks like an 8?
