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Riley
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 Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 2:50:26 PM
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Because of the continued clashes regarding this system and the way it is promoted as superior to self-assessment, I thought it would be helpful to have a thread to explore the types arising from ganglion's program (G-Type) and how they correlate with EIDB members' self-typings.
Could you guys please post your self-typing and the type his system gave you? If you feel like going further, why do you agree or disagree with the system's typing of you? Did your result lead you to explore that other type? If so, what did you discover?
His website can be found here: Enneagram & Astrological Statistics. It includes typings of a lot of famous or well-known people, so feel free to also discuss why you agree or disagree with any of those.
This isn't meant to be a thread for beating up ganglion. The idea here is just to explore his system's results in one place, rather than splaying reactions across the board.
Using myself to start...
Self-Type: 8
G-Type: romantic 3w4 with a difficult path to the 6w7 (as 3w4>9w8>6w7)
It actually wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for my heart fix to be 3w4. I'm presently researching the type for resonance, even over 8.
By the way, I am open to hearing reasons people might think I'm a 3w4, because the result did lead me to explore it for the sake of thoroughness.
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quartz
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 3:01:42 PM
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Self-Type: 2w1
g: 3w4 (based on my birthdate)
g: 6w7 (based on my name)
Others whose birth dates I sent him:
self-typed (and I agree): 4w5
g: 6 or 9
my typing with VERY high degree of confidence: phobic 6w7 (6-9-2 tritype)
g: 8w7
my typing (moderate degree of confidence): 9w1
g: 3w4
my typing (high degree of confidence): 9w8
g: cp 6
Although I've not kept a running tally, my rough impression is that ganglion's system yields a very high proportion of 3, 6, and 9 typings.
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LeoDaVinci
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 3:21:39 PM
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Originally posted by Riley
His website can be found here: Enneagram & Astrological Statistics.
I don't understand.
How can I obtain my enneagram in this site? Where should I insert my birthdate?
I need a "ganglion for dummies"...
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LeoDaVinci
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 3:34:27 PM
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Thanks Riley! Just sent him an email!
I am really interested! |
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Fleets
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 7:03:22 PM
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Self type as a 6w5 (with ample reservations : )
Fleets (26/8) was born on a 2, 3, 4 and 6 day (15/6)
with 2, 3=6>9 dynamics (20/2)
under 4 and 5 houses (9)
yielding a 4w3 or cp6w5 with a lot of 4 ()
You were born on a attachment day
4w3 seems most likely and that is an etype that criticises him or herself. The 3 chooses an imago from the market and the unique 4 says but that is not me.
2nd choice (if you are do not recognise the 4) is cp6, that has often and on off pattern.
(Regarding notes beneath from Ganglion, yes I do have a relentless inner critic.)
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savory
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Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 7:41:54 PM
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self type as: mostly my tritype these days (4w3-5/7-9)
"Savory was born on a 3, 6 and 9 day (18/9)
with cp 6>3>9 dynamics(18/9)
under 1, 2 and 3 houses (6)
yielding a 3w2
The block on the 2 seems to stem from pluto in scorpio,
but in your houses (circumstances) the 2 is very strong.
Anyway, you seem to be a very driven person.
Not a person that can sit still to mediate"
If I'm a 3, then I'm a very fallen 3 who has been spending a great deal of time at 9. It's actually not too hard to imagine... ;P Though I think I'm generally too self-indulgent.
(heh, didn't catch the typo there on meditate, if it is a typo... if not, well 
"I have too much coffee to consume! Fix your own darn problems").
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Kitz
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 01:51:07 AM
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savory
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 02:23:05 AM
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Yeah I know, it is a typo.
Things like that always get stuck in my film projector of a mind and look very funny played out on my brain screen. 
"Can't mediate, must keep being driven"
I've got a cool moon roof so I can see the sun. |
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savory
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 02:35:53 AM
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Originally posted by Riley
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Originally posted by savory
Yeah I know, it is a typo.
Things like that always get stuck in my film projector of a mind and look very funny played out on my brain screen.
"Can't mediate, must keep being driven"
Just run over someone, then it all works out. 
LOL.
Reminds me of all the tender imaginary scenarios I and an intj friend had about his truck + hoards...
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LeoDaVinci
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 04:28:39 AM
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Self type as 6w5 or 4w5 or 5w4 or 5w6
LeoDaVinci (24/6) was born on a 3, 4, 6 and 9 day (22/4)
with cp6>3>9 dynamics (18/9)
under 1, 5 and 6 houses (12/3)
yielding a restless cp6w5 with 3>9
The ganglion system seems accurate.
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sunny
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 09:04:19 AM
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I self type as 9/1. G's system typed me as 6/5, which I thought was very interesting. I wouldn't totally rule out that I was born on a "6/5 day", in other words, that I was born a 6/5...but "moved" to 9/1 for some reason during my life. 6/5 doesn't fit for me now, but I was a very anxious little girl.
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ganglion
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 11:50:59 AM
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Originally posted by Riley
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Originally posted by manda7panda
Although I've not kept a running tally, my rough impression is that ganglion's system yields a very high proportion of 3, 6, and 9 typings.
That's been my impression, too. I know it's generally suggested that those are the most common Ennea-types, but still.
It depends on the time you were born in.
Time: E-type that predominates with 1SD
Pluto in Twins (1883 tot 1913): 5, 7
Pluto in Cancer (1913 tot 1937): 7, 8
Pluto in Leow (1937 tot 1958) 7
Pluto in Virgo (1958 tot 1971) 3, 6, 9
Pluto in Libra (1971 tot 1983) 3, 6
Pluto in Scorpio (1983 tot 1995) 3, 6
Pluto in Sag (1995 tot 2008) 1, 4, 7, 8
See: http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/inleiding.html#Pluto%20in%20de%20tekens
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pork
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 11:58:47 AM
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Pork (32/5) was born on a 3, 4, 6 and 9 day (22/4)
with 3>9>6 dynamics (18/9)
under 3 houses (3)
yielding a 3w4 with a path to the 6w7 (22/4)
Close.
Thanks, ganglion.
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dnimon
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 12:39:27 PM
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The first step of the reform was to realign the start of the calendar year (1 January) to the tropical year by making 46 BC (708 AUC) 445 days long, compensating for the intercalations which had been missed during Caesar's pontificate. This year had already been extended from 355 to 378 days by the insertion of a regular intercalary month in February. When Caesar decreed the reform, probably shortly after his return from the African campaign in late Quintilis (July), he added 67 (= 22 + 23 + 22) more days by inserting two extraordinary intercalary months between November and December. These months are called Intercalaris Prior and Intercalaris Posterior in letters of Cicero written at the time; there is no basis for the statement sometimes seen that they were called "Unodecember" and "Duodecember". Their individual lengths are unknown, as is the position of the Nones and Ides within them. Because 46 BC was the last of a series of irregular years, this extra-long year was, and is, referred to as the "last year of confusion". The first year of operation of the new calendar was 45 BC.
A passage in Macrobius[15] has been interpreted to mean that Caesar decreed that the first day of the new calendar began with the new moon which fell on the night of 1/2 January 45 BC.[16] However, more recent studies of the manuscripts have shown that the word on which this is based, which was formerly read as lunam, should be read as linam, meaning that Macrobius was simply stating that Caesar published an edict giving the revised calendar.[17]
The Julian months were formed by adding ten days to a regular pre-Julian Roman year of 355 days, creating a regular Julian year of 365 days: Two extra days were added to Ianuarius,[3] Sextilis (later changed in name to Augustus) and December, and one extra day was added to Aprilis, Iunius, September and November. Februarius was not changed in ordinary years, and so continued to be the traditional 28 days. Thus, the ordinary (i.e., non leap year) lengths of all of the months were set by the Julian calendar to the same values they still hold today. (See Debunked month length myths below for stories purporting otherwise).
Macrobius states that the extra days were added immediately before the last day of each month to avoid disturbing the position of the established Roman fasti (days prescribed for certain events) relative to the start of the month. However, since Roman dates after the Ides of the month counted down toward the start of the next month, the extra days had the effect of raising the initial value of the count of the day after the Ides. Romans of the time born after the Ides of a month responded differently to the effect of this change on their birthdays. Mark Antony kept his birthday on the 14th day of Ianuarius, which changed its date from a.d. XVII Kal. Feb. to a.d. XIX Kal. Feb., a date that had previously not existed. Livia kept the date of her birthday unchanged at a.d. III Kal. Feb., which moved it from the 28th to the 30th day of Ianuarius, a day that had previously not existed. Augustus kept his on the 23rd day of September, but both the old date (a.d. VIII Kal. Oct.) and the new (a.d. IX Kal. Oct.) were celebrated in some places.
The old intercalary month was abolished. The new leap day was dated as ante diem bis sextum Kalendas Martias, usually abbreviated as a.d. bis VI Kal. Mart.; hence it is called in English the bissextile day. The year in which it occurred was termed annus bissextus, in English the bissextile year.
There is debate about the exact position of the bissextile day in the early Julian calendar. The earliest direct evidence is a statement of the 1st century jurist Celsus, who states that there were two halves of a 48-hour day, and that the intercalated day was the "posterior" half. An inscription from AD 168 states that a.d. V Kal. Mart. was the day after the bissextile day. The 19th century chronologist Ideler argued that Celsus used the term "posterior" in a technical fashion to refer to the earlier of the two days, which requires the inscription to refer to the whole 48-hour day as the bissextile. Some later historians share this view. Others, following Mommsen, take the view that Celsus was using the ordinary Latin (and English) meaning of "posterior". A third view is that neither half of the 48-hour "bis sextum" was originally formally designated as intercalated, but that the need to do so arose as the concept of a 48-hour day became obsolete.[18]
There is no doubt that the bissextile day eventually became the earlier of the two days. In 238 Censorinus stated that it was inserted after the Terminalia (23 February) and was followed by the last five days of February, i.e. a. d. VI, V, IV, III and prid. Kal. Mart. (which would be the 24th to 28th days of February in a common year and the 25th to the 29th days in a leap year). Hence he regarded the bissextum as the first half of the doubled day. All later writers, including Macrobius about 430, Bede in 725, and other medieval computists (calculators of Easter) followed this rule, as did the liturgical calendar of the Roman Catholic Church until 1970.
During the late Middle Ages days in the month came to be numbered in consecutive day order. Consequently, the leap day was considered to be the last day in February in leap years, i.e. 29 February, which is its current position.
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much....Oscar Wilde
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Lake
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 1:26:17 PM
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I think I am a 279/972.
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From Ganglion:
Cakes444 (38/11) was born on a 3, 6, 7 and 9 day (25/7)
with cp6>3>9 dynamics (18/9)
under 3, 6, 8 (and 9) houses (17/8 or 26/8)
yielding a 3 or cp6w7 with a difficult path to the 9 (18/9) as 3=>6>>9
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this is perplexing for me, but actually still makes sense. i look at myself now, and who i've been, and see a rainbow with high contrast. i almost could be any e-type, imo. i've been many things--changed by my experiences, i think. just yesterday, one of my long-time best friends (INFP sx/so 5) told me i have done a "complete 180" since i was younger. she said i am much more laid back and open-minded now, which i see. i've almost grown younger as i've gotten older.
go fig.
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anyway, i vaguely remember now that i had ganglion do my numbers a bit ago, b/c i remember loving my "life path" of 11.
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LIFE PATH 11
You have a potential to be a source and inspiration for people. You possess an inordinate amount of energy and intuition. There is so much going on in your psyche that you are often misunderstood early. Which makes you shy and withdrawn. You have more potential than you know.
You galvanize every situation you enter. You inspire people, but without conscious effort. Energy seems to flow through you without your control. This gives you both power, and sometimes emotional turmoil.
You are a channel for the information between the higher and the lower, between the realm of the archetype and the relative world. Ideas, thoughts, understanding and insight come to you without you having to go through rational thought process. There seems to be a bridge, or connection, between your conscious and unconscious realms, that attunes you to a high level of intuition through which even psychic information can flow...
http://www.ofesite.com/spirit/numerology/path11.htm |
Edited by - Lake on 27 Oct 2011 2:04:13 PM |
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Lake
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 2:11:34 PM
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i'm glad someone relates my friends in high school used to joke and call me 47. now, i see people looking at me like i am immature/naive, which i know i am definitely not.
case in point: i never used to dance; i was too self-conscious and didn't see the point, really. now i dance pretty much every chance i get. it just feels good. i actually recently got kicked out of a bar for dancing, b/c no dancing was allowed. what kind of footloose [blocked due to guideline #4 violation] is that? i wasn't even drunk; i just liked the song on the juke box--why not dance?
EDIT: OF COURSE you're a 22 life path. seriously. |
Edited by - Lake on 27 Oct 2011 2:27:48 PM |
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MH
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 3:13:56 PM
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lol Wtf? Well good for you feeling free enough to do it! I've never been comfortable dancing in front of other people, though I do it a lot when I'm alone. It seems too intimate to me, but I'm weird about stuff like that.
I have to be wasted or completely alone,unless im with someone who is also shy about dancing..then I am more than willing to make an[blocked due to guideline #4 violation]out of myself to show the other person hey have fun..its vicarious.lol
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MH
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 3:20:38 PM
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How about with your kids?
lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0
When I posted the ballerina video for the eye lydia heard the music..She said "whats that sound mommy" and crawled onto my lap We spent the rest of the day twirling. She wants a ballerina for christmas.
Justice is my goofy dancer,and Liyah has moves but she is even more shy than I am.
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Lake
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 3:22:21 PM
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Originally posted by May Hem
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lol Wtf? Well good for you feeling free enough to do it! I've never been comfortable dancing in front of other people, though I do it a lot when I'm alone. It seems too intimate to me, but I'm weird about stuff like that.
I have to be wasted or completely alone,unless im with someone who is also shy about dancing..then I am more than willing to make an[blocked due to guideline #4 violation]out of myself to show the other person hey have fun..its vicarious.lol
"He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts."
yeah, i mean i definitely turn it on depending on who i'm with. i am lucky to have a few people in my life who we just kind of have this inside joke like "yeah, i'm a giant dork, fuck-it". we do random stuff for the sole purpose of making the other laugh. otherwise, i dance at home with my boyfriend, cat, and/or alone. i play this game on the wii called, "just dance II" LOL. i think it's b/c at my job i am an authority figure, and pretty serious all the time, so i just have to get that silly energy out somewhere.
riley- yes i do greatly appreciate how kids approach the world. in sort of the cliff's notes: i feel i can learn a lot about how to live through connecting with a sense of wonder and enjoying simple pleasures, and taking that with me through the tough times.
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Lake
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 3:23:52 PM
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Originally posted by May Hem
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How about with your kids?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astISOttCQ0
When I posted the ballerina video for the eye lydia heard the music..She said "whats that sound mommy" and crawled onto my lap We spent the rest of the day twirling. She wants a ballerina for christmas.
Justice is my goofy dancer,and Liyah has moves but she is even more shy than I am.
love
anyway--what type does ganglion's system say you are, miss may?
EDIT: okay, i understand |
Edited by - Lake on 27 Oct 2011 3:48:44 PM |
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MH
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 3:44:00 PM
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I've never had him check mine..im weird about my info. I am interested in his system,just dont know him well enough to send him via email..I trust jol and riley who have both done really cool interpretations for me.If he can and wants to do anything with this he's welcome to,I'd like to see it.
"He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts." |
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ganglion
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 4:31:10 PM
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Originally posted by savory
Yeah I know, it is a typo.
Things like that always get stuck in my film projector of a mind and look very funny played out on my brain screen.
"Can't mediate, must keep being driven"
I've got a cool moon roof so I can see the sun.
Indeed it was a typo: having high scores on some types only, makes you just by being born this way more fixed to your type and its (here restless 3>>6>9) dynamics.
So can't meditate was meant.
But one can also see some wisdom in the typo: though a high scoring 3w2 might be great mediator for others, she might find it difficult to apply calming down/see it in the other way principles to herself.
As a driven 3 is always on the move chasing for her outer goals and feels "lost" if the outer goals are not there. Of course getting stuck should be the moment to look inside ones own heart instead of to look for the approval of important real or internalised others, so to meditate or contemplate in piece, but what I see is a restless worrying (indeed more 6 like).
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Fleets
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 4:37:55 PM
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Originally posted by Riley
@Fleets: What type have you been considering for you heart fix? It's neat that it got the 6w5 you've been focused on. I know his system's worked for some people, but not all.
Hey Riley, yes I was pleasantly surprised. I had my
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savory
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 6:03:44 PM
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I am a very restless person, and meditation is a very good practice for me (well, good advice anyway), as is taking the time to wake up and write down dreams to further analyze them for unconscious-mind content.
It's interesting, as I would say I'm a very introspective person, but it does take some time to stop and really think about where emotions are coming from and what's really going on, instead of over-analyzing and turning it around in my head just to "do" something. I ponder about my feelings far too much (mostly after sitting with them for a while), even though I'm highly emotional and feel immensely on most days. There's still a tendency to not be right there with the very true content, even though I may think I might be 'right there'.
I did find it enlightening ganglion.
Got me to really look at a lot of prevalent 3-ish issues that I hadn't often seen before.
And it coincided point blank with all the 3 stuff that was coming up in therapy, and these pictures I had come across online
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ithappenedagain/savory.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/ithappenedagain/savory_3_1.jpg
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ganglion
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Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 6:28:44 PM
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Originally posted by Riley
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Originally posted by ganglion
but what I see is a restless worrying (indeed more 6 like)
I do find it interesting how you see different personality dynamics in the results, for example that you see a restless 3 in savory and a romantic 3w4 in me. Are you basing this on the numbers themselves or on the signs & planets? If the latter, I could see how you'd get romantic for me, as I have my Tropical Pluto in Libra (along with a few other planets...and Venus rules my Tropical Chart).
The end scores are just made by doing calculations. I just multiply the relative risk of having Sun in..* Moon in ..*Venus in .. etc.
The used relative risks are not based on any astrological theory but on my own measurements in the reference database of typed famous people. Actually I wanted to test the personality predicting value of astrology in a quantitative way.
You cannot do simple statistic evaluations on astrological descriptions, but you can easily test if sun in leo is more often seen in a presumed 9 (actually it is by a factor 1.4 and scores lowest in 4 and 5 relative risks being 0,7 and 0.5 resp.).
I base predictions on main type (I only calculated their relative risks). But I assume if you score high on 1 and 2 1w2 or 2w1 is most likely. I also assume that a person born on a day that "astrologically seen according to my statistics " best fits a 3, is more likely to adapt a 3 pattern (if the statistics of the houses do not oppose it), but I also see days and hours where one can be several types (Tom Waits is an example).
I also calculated many 4w5 or 5w4 days where it is difficult to determine if the person is a 4 with 5 aspects or a 5 with 4 aspects. But I now think this is just an academic chicken-egg question: most people have access to more e modes , and if they are not born with it, they should achieve their point of view by compassionately interacting with others (to start with your parents and siblings).
In the Elixir of Enlightenment Almaas suggests that one should have several teachers and not go in first instance to Bagwhan (teaching ego less cosmic consciousness) if one has problems with self assertion (and still does not posses enough ego boosting Rolls-Royce to give up to become again ego less). Wise words.
A 2 should meet a 4 coach or friend in first instance. And not an 8 or 7. An 8 would learn him the wrong way around the enneagram and the 7 mode would not yet be understood without access to the 4 in you.
My notes about being romantic and restless are not based on astrology, but on behavioural observations made on persons which enneatypes I calculated.
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ganglion
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Posted - 29 Oct 2011 : 11:29:45 AM
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Originally posted by May Hem
I've never had him check mine..im weird about my info. I am interested in his system,just dont know him well enough to send him via email..I trust jol and riley who have both done really cool interpretations for me.If he can and wants to do anything with this he's welcome to,I'd like to see it.
I am not an astrologer. Interpreting charts is not my thing. I just do calculations with input (date, place time) and output enneascores.
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