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isaacnewtonEnn
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Taiwan
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 Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 05:52:17 AM
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4LV
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 05:54:40 AM
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Hope someone can give me ideas.
Hitler was a Two. |
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Ewald
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Ashton
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 06:13:19 AM
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He was an INFP, I know that. So 6 seems unlikely, though INFPs in unhealthy states *can* display very 6-like behaviors (e.g. slavish reverence for authority).
I'd say Hitler was a 4. |
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4LV
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 06:29:51 AM
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Billy joined the National Front
He always was a little runt
He's got his hands in the air with the other [offensive term]s
You got to humanize yourself
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MichelleM
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 08:45:12 AM
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Id say 6 or 8.
2???? hmmmmm. |
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isaacnewtonEnn
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Taiwan
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 10:11:14 AM
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Originally posted by lilalove
i have always heard cp6w5...or 1w2.
Both at only the most unhealthy level.
1w2? I can't imagine Hitler is a 1w2. |
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Raindrop
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 4:58:08 PM
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Originally posted by Lord of the Flies
I think I'll shut up now.
No need to do so.  This is a discussion board. We're here to share and learn. I've heard that Hitler was an INFJ  . I don't know as much about him as I should, but I'd guess either a Sixish One or a Oneish Six. If I read "Mein Kampf", I'd be able to contribute more.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 7:19:15 PM
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Originally posted by Utmost
He was an INFP, I know that. So 6 seems unlikely, though INFPs in unhealthy states *can* display very 6-like behaviors (e.g. slavish reverence for authority).
Why is INFP not six-like? I think my mom is an INFP 6, although she could be an INFJ, come to think of it.
7w6 Sx/So/Sp
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i forgot
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 7:29:45 PM
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Ashton
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 7:41:42 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
Why is INFP not six-like? I think my mom is an INFP 6, although she could be an INFJ, come to think of it.
Not saying it couldn't happen... it's just not likely. Your typical INFP is much like your typical 4, so there tends to be a huge overlap between the two.
Though Hitler definitely wasn't typical... I'd have a hard time believing he was a 6. We tend to think of him as being brutal and aggressive - he was neither, nor did he try to pretend to be. So 8 and CP6 are out.
Rather, the man constantly lived in a vividly romanticised daydream, infesting himself with these notions of a "Greater Germany" and how he was going to unite all of the German peoples of the world into one super-nation. He was very aesthetically oreinted, loved opera, art, etc. That's not very 6ish. He was anti-Semitic, but it was actually people like Himmler and other Third Reich brass who took the racial policies to the horrible extremes they did. And it's a pity we didn't take them all out sooner than we did. |
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Desdemona
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 7:54:38 PM
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Originally posted by Utmost
He was very aesthetically oreinted, loved opera, art, etc. That's not very 6ish.
I don't think it unsixlike, though. My mom loves music, theater, and art. She makes her living as a creative artist, so I don't think an inclination towards the arts counts Hitler out of being a 6. Also, I would think the desire to "unite all of the German peoples of the world into one super nation" sounds kinda sixish, doesn't it? That whole group focus, the us against them mentality?
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He was anti-Semitic, but it was actually people like Himmler and other Third Reich brass who took the racial policies to the horrible extremes they did.
But wasn't Hitler aware of and basically applauding their actions?
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Your typical INFP is much like your typical 4, so there tends to be a huge overlap between the two.
Interesting. The only INFP I know for sure is my boyfriend, who is a 2, or possibly 9. But I know you didn't mean that as an absolute, just a general tendency. My 4w3 sister probably is an INFP as well.
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brainstorm v5.4
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USA
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:10:58 PM
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Lots of 6's mistype themselves as 4's. I think this is especially true with artistically/aesthetically inclined 6's (ISFP's maybe, or possibly ISXP's - where would he fall on the MBTI J/P scale though?). The fact is he was very artistically inclined in his youth, but failed to bring his desires there to fruition. Resentment and bitterness over that failure could have contributed significantly to his unhealthy cp 6-ish expressions; aggression, authoritarianism, ruthlessness, strong group (us/them) mentality, etc.
Cp 6w5 seems to sit well w/his early artistic aspirations given that common mistyping tendency.
brainstorm - 5w4, INTP
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Ashton
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
I don't think it unsixlike, though. My mom loves music, theater, and art. She makes her living as a creative artist, so I don't think an inclination towards the arts counts Hitler out of being a 6. Also, I would think the desire to "unite all of the German peoples of the world into one super nation" sounds kinda sixish, doesn't it? That whole group focus, the us against them mentality?
True. But I couldn't see a 6 injecting that much romanticism into the idea like Hitler did.
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But wasn't Hitler aware of and basically applauding their actions?
Of course, but the reason I make that clear is because I shirk the notion of Hitler being some kind of brutal sociopathic 8 or CP6 who got off on murdering like some people might claim... he was a bit too much of a wimp for that.
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Interesting. The only INFP I know for sure is my boyfriend, who is a 2, or possibly 9. But I know you didn't mean that as an absolute, just a general tendency. My 4w3 sister probably is an INFP as well.
Yeah, INFP 2s would be somewhat common. I know ISFP 2s and 9s are. |
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keetah
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:12:29 PM
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Originally posted by i forgot
hitler was not 4
totally agree with that.
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Desdemona
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:23:03 PM
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Originally posted by brainstorm v5.4
I think this is especially true with artistically/aesthetically inclined 6's (ISFP's maybe, or possibly ISXP's - where would he fall on the MBTI J/P scale though?).
Are you saying you don't think sixes can be N's? My mom seems pretty darn intuitive. I can't really see her as a sensing type, though I could see her as INFJ instead of INFP. Personally, I don't think Myers-Briggs types can be absolutely linked with the E, only tendencies of certain MB types to be certain E-types.
7w6 Sx/So/Sp
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brainstorm v5.4
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:45:09 PM
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I think on average N is more strongly associated with types other than 6 - especially 4, 5 and 9 (at least 9w1). But this is not absolute of course; there are other factors that could produce exceptions. I also think J tends to be more associated with 6's than P. I don't know enough about Hitler to judge with any certainty though. I'm just throwing out generalizations/trends that may be applicaple here.
brainstorm - 5w4, INTP
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Ashton
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 8:51:18 PM
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Originally posted by brainstorm v5.4
I think on average N is more strongly associated with types other than 6 - especially 4, 5 and 9 (at least 9w1). But this is not absolute of course; there are other factors that could produce exceptions. I also think J tends to be more associated with 6's than P.
I agree with that. I've always seen a distinct correlation between SJ temperment and Enneatype 6. |
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Lord_Henry
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 9:03:11 PM
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Originally posted by brainstorm v5.4
The fact is he was very artistically inclined in his youth, but failed to bring his desires there to fruition.
Actually, Hitler did make a living on his artistic notions/skill- in paintings and articles during the time after WWI and b4 he was named chancellor in 1933. During this 20s he became heavily involved in politics.
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Originally posted by UtmostWe tend to think of him as being brutal and aggressive - he was neither, nor did he try to pretend to be.
Hitler, on the contrary, was very aggressive. He certainly was brutal too, though not as hands on (like Stalin), his brutality was done more covertly. Though his intentions to be brutal were rather straightforward.
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Originally posted by Utmost Rather, the man constantly lived in a vividly romanticised daydream, infesting himself with these notions of a "Greater Germany" and how he was going to unite all of the German peoples of the world into one super-nation. He was very aesthetically oreinted, loved opera, art, etc.
True.
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Originally posted by UtmostHe was anti-Semitic, but it was actually people like Himmler and other Third Reich brass who took the racial policies to the horrible extremes they did.
Hitler was the most fiercely anit-Semitic nazi. He, indeed, was very much the central figure behind all nazi genocidal atrocities. He wrote it down, many times, (b4 and after Mien Kampf) claiming he was doing "God's work" thru purification.
I think Hitler was a 3w4. Though I would buy 4w3 b4 6.
Stalin would be the candidate for the unhealty 8 or cp6.
Harry, 5w6 iNTp sx so
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Ashton
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 9:19:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lord_Henry
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Hitler, on the contrary, was very aggressive. He certainly was brutal too, though not as hands on (like Stalin), his brutality was done more covertly. Though his intentions to be brutal were rather straightforward.
Good call. When I was thinking brutal/aggressive, I was thinking of the more hands on variety.
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Hitler was the most fiercely anit-Semitic nazi. He, indeed, was very much the central figure behind all nazi genocidal atrocities. He wrote it down, many times, (b4 and after Mien Kampf) claiming he was doing "God's work" thru purification.
Right. Himmler (probably a 6w5) and the others were more instrumental in planning and doing the actual dirty work though.
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Lord_Henry
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 9:25:47 PM
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Originally posted by Utmost
Himmler (probably a 6w5) and the others were more instrumental in planning and doing the actual dirty work though.
Absolutely. Hitler's power was definitely the third reich. Without them he wouldn't have accomplished anything historic. Hitler was a much better preacher than a fighter.
Harry, 5w6 iNTp sx so
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canoodle
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USA
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 10:44:16 PM
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Originally posted by Desdemona
I don't think it unsixlike, though. My mom loves music, theater, and art. She makes her living as a creative artist, so I don't think an inclination towards the arts counts Hitler out of being a 6. Also, I would think the desire to "unite all of the German peoples of the world into one super nation" sounds kinda sixish, doesn't it? That whole group focus, the us against them mentality?
Re: the art thing -- I just skimmed this thread, so forgive me if someone else mentioned it -- the movie Max, which is based on Hitler's relationship with a Jewish art dealer, stressed that Hitler's art had technical merit and precision but was not at all *passionate*. It was very empty/souless.
canoodle
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robroy
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 11:34:59 PM
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A facinating read is the psycological study of this evil maniac. Done back in the day. Do a search for it. Clearly and definatively it shows a six functioning at Risos levels 6-9.
Socionics postulates hitler was able to get crowds into an emotional frenzy as only an ENFJ can do.
He was a third borne which can be a clever manipulator and can play well on peoples fears alternating between sympathy and aggression.
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anon1
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 11:49:34 PM
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He was a flaming 
4 sx/sp/so
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said,…"it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
~Alice in Wonderland
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Desdemona
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Posted - 20 Dec 2004 : 12:35:38 AM
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Originally posted by canoodle
the movie Max, which is based on Hitler's relationship with a Jewish art dealer, stressed that Hitler's art had technical merit and precision but was not at all *passionate*. It was very empty/souless.
Perhaps, but I don't think one could say that all 6 art is empty/souless. That is not what I have seen, anyway.
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Hansie
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Posted - 20 Dec 2004 : 02:04:04 AM
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Hitler was a 9.. he just wanted his blankie.
Honestly though, he comes across as a total 1 to me. But I'd have to read his bio and watch vids of him to decide.
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What is Hitler's type?
